Who are our big money men?

#26
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Godfatha said:
Haslam seems like he is a lot less involved now. Maybe the Browns have his full attention. Which honestly, after the fiasco of an AD and University we were for 15 years, I'm glad that whoever was meddling is gone.
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Haslam having so much control was a problem. Of course to get him out they put Fulmer in charge of the AD. 😂
 
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Godfatha said:
Haslam seems like he is a lot less involved now. Maybe the Browns have his full attention. Which honestly, after the fiasco of an AD and University we were for 15 years, I'm glad that whoever was meddling is gone.
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He has to pay Browns players to win 3 games every year
 
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Voltopia said:
People should look at charts like this one - and realize that, when it comes to big money, there may not be a way to compete with the "big boys." In terms of schools that do compete on the biggest college football stage, you've got Stanford, Cal, Michigan, Texas, Northwestern, UCLA, Miami, Virginia, and Notre Dame. I think USC would be on this list except they're private. Now obviously, and fortunately for UT and others like us, many or even most of these mega-wealthy alumni are not interested in donating, especially not to their athletics endeavors.

But Texas, Michigan, a few others? They are going to be the drivers. Competing with them may be a lot more difficult than some realize.


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Very sobering for those that think we (and most others) can compete. We can't period. Saban is advocating federal legislation to prevent the inevitable if the current situation continues.
 
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Godfatha said:
Surgery hurts but it's worth the pain to get rid of the tumor. :p

Seriously, I am glad the Browns are up there taking one for the team. Haslam's money was nice except for the attachments that came with it.
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To be fair I think Haslam wanted Tennessee to be successful. He just thought he knew the best way for that to happen.

We need some big money guys to pour some money in like they’re trying to buy out a coach. 😂
 
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mnbnd said:
Haslam family is our best shot of receiving big bucks. Which is not ideal at all
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Although you have to wonder are some of our old school rich alumni willing to pay players or donate to athletics ?

Many people especially older people hate NIL. We have some billionaires who may or may not donate. But I think the path forward is a mix of selling products that make profit for our athletes and for smaller donors like myself and many of you to step up. I can only afford to throw a few hundred $ at NIL but in mass that makes a huge difference.

But we will likely need big donors to step in to level the playing field as well. It helps that we are in a state with a good economy and a rapidly growing school.
 
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Voltopia said:
People should look at charts like this one - and realize that, when it comes to big money, there may not be a way to compete with the "big boys." In terms of schools that do compete on the biggest college football stage, you've got Stanford, Cal, Michigan, Texas, Northwestern, UCLA, Miami, Virginia, and Notre Dame. I think USC would be on this list except they're private. Now obviously, and fortunately for UT and others like us, many or even most of these mega-wealthy alumni are not interested in donating, especially not to their athletics endeavors.

But Texas, Michigan, a few others? They are going to be the drivers. Competing with them may be a lot more difficult than some realize.


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Still makes no sense why UCLA has been so mid for most of their history.
 
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volstudent26 said:
Although you have to wonder are some of our old school rich alumni willing to pay players or donate to athletics ?

Many people especially older people hate NIL. We have some billionaires who may or may not donate. But I think the path forward is a mix of selling products that make profit for our athletes and for smaller donors like myself and many of you to step up. I can only afford to throw a few hundred $ at NIL but in mass that makes a huge difference.

But we will likely need big donors to step in to level the playing field as well. It helps that we are in a state with a good economy and a rapidly growing school.
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We have a big enough fan base to compete with anyone money wise but it’s a lot harder to get 20,000 people to donate than it is to get 1 really rich guy who’s obsessed with the team like phill knight to.

I just think there needs to be an understanding collectively that we need to give the team more NIL resources. The university is making stupid money off the program charging crazy prices but it can’t contribute it towards NIL.
 
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At what point does Dolly Parton, Peyton, Morgan Wallen, Bubba Wallace, and Kenny Chesney start opening up some front restaurants and use NIL appearances as income tax write offs?
 
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Godfatha said:
Haslam seems like he is a lot less involved now. Maybe the Browns have his full attention. Which honestly, after the fiasco of an AD and University we were for 15 years, I'm glad that whoever was meddling is gone.
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Which Haslam are you talking about. Big Jim is in his 90s and I imagine has pretty much stepped back from an active role.

Jimmy owns the Browns and devotes most of his time to them. At one time NFL owners were barred from participating in NILs, dont know if they still are or not.

The whole family has been generous to the University over the years, giving much more to Academics(HCOB and Natalie Haslam College of Music.)
 
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Savannahbayvol said:
Which Haslam are you talking about. Big Jim is in his 90s and I imagine has pretty much stepped back from an active role.

Jimmy owns the Browns and devotes most of his time to them. At one time NFL owners were barred from participating in NILs, dont know if they still are or not.

The whole family has been generous to the University over the years, giving much more to Academics(HCOB and Natalie Haslam College of Music.)
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Jimmy. The one that owns the Browns and they’re currently a mess.
 
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Open letter to our AD DW:
Great job Danny, but let me clue you in on a sure-fire moneymaker that has been proven successful in the past. In short:
Our PotS band forms the giant T
wealthy donor(s) run thru T...for a fee
to Thunder-ous applause

yer welcome, trt
 
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Most truly rich people don’t just toss their money around willy nilly. Plus, someone has to pay for all of our facility upgrades, coaches we want to fire every few years, new piss troughs.
 
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Good grief, lot of people acting like they know on here. Don't under estimate our program and NIL objectives.
*National Champions in baseball.
*#1 in basketball
*made playoffs in cfb, beat bammer/uf in same year.
**lot of moving parts .... wait.

Relax... let em work.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It is a conundrum. I understand it is incredibly selfish of me to want players to stay at the university, and that isn't fair to them. I have, and will likely again I'm sure, left jobs for better opportunities and negotiated at existing jobs to get better pay and benefits. What gives me the right to hold it against these players for doing the exact same thing I did? My love for college football and my Alma Mater doesn't seem like a good enough justification to hold it against these guys.

As much as I want cfb to be like it was 20 years ago when I fell in love with it, those days are gone. I don't know what the answer is. There might not even be one.
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An answer? Sure there is. It’s called a contract. Right now it’s Wild West but eventually the conferences will demand binding commitments from the players for the money, coaches will have right of refusal, etc. On the plus side for players, they will probably get insurance against injury.

It’s going to be more professional. For a long time the risk was all on the players, while the teams made a ton. Now all the risk is on the teams if the players get paid but deliver a turd or if the team invests and develops them but they leave to a higher bidder. Neither framework can survive. It will balance out.
 
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JayHud said:
As much as I hate it college football is quickly turning into a pay for play league. I’m all for a player getting paid but the way it is set up now is going to ruin any consistency within a team structure. With that being said who are the people that need to get more involved for UT to spend with the “big boys”?
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This isn’t the right question to ask.

Something that I don’t think most people understand at the level that they should when it comes to contributions and spending is the size of Tennessee’s alumni base compared to other schools in this conversation. One of the reasons that Tennessee was always a fit in the old version of the Southeastern Conference was we had a similar enrollment to every school not named Vanderbilt. Most of the SEC schools, including Tennessee, were in the 25,000 to 35,000 range over the last 20 years. Florida has always been a bit of an outlier, because its enrollment is closer to 45,000.

So when you’re talking about competing against the “big boys“ of college sports, you have to consider that Ohio State’s annual enrollment is 60,000. They have three times as many students, meaning they turn out three times as many alumni on a yearly basis. Penn State has 80,000 students this year. Michigan is 52,000, Texas is over 50,000, Texas A&M has 71,000 students this year. The schools are playing different games over the long-term than we are because they have more people to play the game.

Tennessee fund probably has more updated numbers, but five years ago UT had five billionaire alumni, two of them in the Haslam family. Ohio State had 12 billionaire alums. No idea how many of them donate, but the sheer numbers of it aren’t good for us when you’re making that comparison.
 
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Savannahbayvol said:
Which Haslam are you talking about. Big Jim is in his 90s and I imagine has pretty much stepped back from an active role.

Jimmy owns the Browns and devotes most of his time to them. At one time NFL owners were barred from participating in NILs, dont know if they still are or not.

The whole family has been generous to the University over the years, giving much more to Academics(HCOB and Natalie Haslam College of Music.)
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Last year Commissioner Goodell banned.any NIl participation for NFL Owners.

My source whose name is on a Bldg said he didnt think that had been cjanged.
 
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UTFanForLife said:
Most truly rich people don’t just toss their money around willy nilly. Plus, someone has to pay for all of our facility upgrades, coaches we want to fire every few years, new piss troughs.
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And many truly rich people had to really sacrifice for their success. They don't feel particularly inclined to hand it over to a 19 year old college student regardless of how much they enjoy UT sports.
 
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JayHud said:
As much as I hate it college football is quickly turning into a pay for play league. I’m all for a player getting paid but the way it is set up now is going to ruin any consistency within a team structure. With that being said who are the people that need to get more involved for UT to spend with the “big boys”?M
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The everyday fan.

If just the people that showed up on Saturdays would donate $25 per month our NIL would be worth $60M more than ot is now.

If all the people who are Vol fans donated just $5 per month the NIL money would be $30M more than now.

Why ask rich guys to donate millions when the average fan refuses to donate $60 per year
 
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Savannahbayvol said:
Last year Commissioner Goodell banned.any NIl participation for NFL Owners.

My source whose name is on a Bldg said he didnt think that had been cjanged.
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No, NFL owners are banned from signing college players to NIL deals to represent the teams. What owners do with their money outside of their football business is their business. They can make contributions to an NIL collective and they can give college athletes NIL money to promote their other businesses. They just can’t hire them to promote their NFL teams.
 
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