Who elected Obama........

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utvolpj said:
The stat you quoted said that 52% of those making more than $200k voted for Obama. It didn't say 52% of Obama's votes came from those making over $200k.

Which is greater, the number of people making more than $200k or less than $200k? I would guess the under is a much larger voting block.
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wow idk how that statement was suppose to be negative but i would never had guessed Obama would have had had that kind of support from the wealthy voters. I guess they are cool with higher taxes, he had a great campaign (plus got a big help from McCains camp).
 
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Nash270 said:
wow idk how that statement was suppose to be negative but i would never had guessed Obama would have had had that kind of support from the wealthy voters. I guess they are cool with higher taxes, he had a great campaign (plus got a big help from McCains camp).
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I think it's fairly common. I remember looking at the demographics of the 04 election and Kerry did better with the income extremes while Bush better with the income center 60% or so. The same was true with education level.
 
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volinbham said:
You use one example (Ridge's response as HLSD) to show that Republicans use fear more than Democrats?

I just don't buy the premise. Both parties are fear mongers.
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Can you give a Dem example as shameless as the terror color coding, that was used in such an obvious and blatant way to achieve an administration's political goals?

No doubt both parties are guilty, I am certainly not disagreeing with that premise. But any look at the last two elections as a whole, the republican primary debates, and the conduct of the party the last 7 years...and the one can see the Repubs have made a shameless art form out of using fear tactics to advance political objectives.
 
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rjd970 said:
Can you give a Dem example as shameless as the terror color coding, that was used in such an obvious and blatant way to achieve an administration's political goals?

No doubt both parties are guilty, I am certainly not disagreeing with that premise. But any look at the last two elections as a whole, the republican primary debates, and the conduct of the party the last 7 years...and the one can see the Repubs have made a shameless art form out of using fear tactics to advance political objectives.
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I'll have to dig them up but yes the Dems have been equally shameless.

A few off the top of my head -- Dem leader comments about troop activities (comparing them to Nazi tactics - I believe Durbin). Dem leaders talking down the economy - Reid saying as bad or worse than the Depression. Over hyping claims about Halliburton, the fed response to Katrina and the real motivations for doing so. Kerry comments during the election about real motivation for the war, etc.

Oh yeah, and claims (e.g. Al Gore) about GW. Lot's of over hyping to shock people into electing Democrats. Sound familiar?
 
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A few more examples:

Look back at the efforts by Dems to paint McCain as old and confused. They used language (especially the word confused) to suggest he's losing it or would not survive the presidency.

They added to this with the Palin attacks. The entire "heartbeat away" campaign was a fear tactic to scare people away from voting for McCain. They exaggerated her views on abortion and religion into editorial after editorial about all the rights women would lose if she were in power.

Look back to Kennedy's comments about Supreme Court nominees - again a civil rights will be rolled back to pre-60s levels.

Both sides hype the crap out of anything that will worry their base to demonize the other side or build a case for their own side.
 
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volinbham said:
I'll have to dig them up but yes the Dems have been equally shameless.

A few off the top of my head -- Dem leader comments about troop activities (comparing them to Nazi tactics - I believe Durbin). Dem leaders talking down the economy - Reid saying as bad or worse than the Depression. Over hyping claims about Halliburton, the fed response to Katrina and the real motivations for doing so. Kerry comments during the election about real motivation for the war, etc.

Oh yeah, and claims (e.g. Al Gore) about GW. Lot's of over hyping to shock people into electing Democrats. Sound familiar?
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Bolded is the only fear tactic claim I see there, and Bush was saying much of the same thing, ie...we need to push this bailout package through very quickly, etc.

The rest of those examples are just political punches.
 
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rjd970 said:
Bolded is the only fear tactic claim I see there, and Bush was saying much of the same thing, ie...we need to push this bailout package through very quickly, etc.

The rest of those examples are just political punches.
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Gore's hype and the overblown Katrina nonsense are just political punches? You cannot be serious.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Gore's hype and the overblown Katrina nonsense are just political punches? You cannot be serious.
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If we are talking about global warming, then yes the Gore and Katrina thing is fear tactics. If we are talking about governmental incompetence during the aftermath, there isn't any fear related there, just political punches.
 
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rjd970 said:
If we are talking about global warming, then yes the Gore and Katrina thing is fear tactics. If we are talking about governmental incompetence during the aftermath, there isn't any fear related there, just political punches.
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I completely disagree on Katrina. People act as if the government should have had some sort of playbook for such a disaster. We didn't and we won't for the next disaster that we have no experience with.

Pretending that was incompetence on the part of the administration and that it was race related was absolute fear mongering.
 
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rjd970 said:
If we are talking about global warming, then yes the Gore and Katrina thing is fear tactics. If we are talking about governmental incompetence during the aftermath, there isn't any fear related there, just political punches.
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That is 24/7.......
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I completely disagree on Katrina. People act as if the government should have had some sort of playbook for such a disaster. We didn't and we won't for the next disaster that we have no experience with.

Pretending that was incompetence on the part of the administration and that it was race related was absolute fear mongering.
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Outside of the far left loonies, who exactly said it was race related?

We have no experience with flooding or hurricanes?

There was incompetence at all levels of government with Katrina.
 
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rjd970 said:
Outside of the far left loonies, who exactly said it was race related?

We have no experience with flooding or hurricanes?

There was incompetence at all levels of government with Katrina.
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That is every thing the government is invovled in 24/7.
 
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I figured by now you all would get over the election but obviously I was wrong.I understand when your political party takes not just one but two COMPLETELY CRUSHING election losses back to back (that has put your party in RUINS that make the Parthenon look intact) it can be hard to get over but tommorrow will be a new day for all and we will be a better country for it.:salute:
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Pretending that was incompetence on the part of the administration and that it was race related was absolute fear mongering.
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What fear were they trying to monger? We should all be afraid if Repubs get elected because we will revert back to segregation and courtyard lynchings? Who is really going to believe that?

On the other hand, who is going to believe we will get attacked when the government tells us terror color level is currently at orange, be diligent, stock up on plastic sheets duct tape, and make sure your radios have batteries in them?

One fear monger is completely silly. The other, well how do we know if it is silly or not, the intel supporting it is supposedly classified.
 
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DAVOL said:
I figured by now you all would get over the election but obviously I was wrong.I understand when your political party takes not just one but two COMPLETELY CRUSHING election losses back to back (that has put your party in RUINS that make the Parthenon look intact) it can be hard to get over but tommorrow will be a new day for all and we will be a better country for it.:salute:
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Crushing??????

Better country?
 
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Who elected Obama?

Americans. The majority. Get over it. There is no one group or demographic that did. He has wide reachin support from all types of people.
 
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Young people and minorities elected Obama. And this is news?

Evangelicals and rural folk elected Bush.

Both appelealed to their base.

Obama won the moderate vote this time around because he isn't George Bush, and that was the difference maker.

That is the election in a nutshell.
 
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This is old news. The demographics of the vote have been published by many news outlets. Can't argue with the numbers, but interpretation is totally subjective as to why any one group might have voted for/against Obama. I also notice the article conveniently left out the statistic of white voters with college degrees and above. A large majority of that group voted for Obama.
 
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truefan said:
This is old news. The demographics of the vote have been published by many news outlets. Can't argue with the numbers, but interpretation is totally subjective as to why any one group might have voted for/against Obama. I also notice the article conveniently left out the statistic of white voters with college degrees and above. A large majority of that group voted for Obama.
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Why is that surprising, pricks like to be around pricks.
 
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