Who is really behind the protests?

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lawgator1 said:
If that were the case, and if it mirrored the Medicare program, what's the problem? Now when I ask that, I realize that you have a certain reaction to what you consider to be a prelude to socialized medicine, so you can skip that argument as I am already aware of it.

I'm asking, if employers can offer their employees health care and save the kind of dolalrs we are talking about for their own profit and/or re-investment, and if the quality of care is similar to that of Medicare, what's the downside?
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do you realize how much medicare costs this country? do you really think 9% would fully cover this program? and do you really think medicare is quality coverage?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Why? Seriously, why wouldn't it be the case that the administration of a public plan across the country wouldn't have some efficiencies built into it that localized plans don't have?
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First, the government contracting process has no room in it for anything that makes sense.

Second, try to fix pricing across America as Uncle Sugar has done with medicare and multitudes of the best providers will opt out, as they have with Medicare and Delta Dental. This isn't rocket science.
 
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rjd970 said:
Somebody needs to scream this at Obama in the next townhall.
This is the centerpiece of my issue with UHC as proposed by this administration. For me, and many others that work for large companies in the private sector, it will mean we have to trade in excellent (and cheap) coverage for the public option. Not to mention it will cause a steady decline in the overall quality of our healthcare system in general.
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We are "un-american" if we scream....remember?
 
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LG - Thanks for the answer. The reason why I listed Matt Damon was his over theatrical statement on his disgust with Sarah Palin. You talked about a broad brush in some of your response, but with all due respect, I feel you do the same for people who are on the right side of the isle (which I'll admit I do the same for the left). I'm just trying to say that when people get passionate with their grievance with the current administration/congress a portion of them are going to take to the streets/town halls. Or, if they are in the spotlight (TV/Movie/Radio stars) they ALL go out of their way to completely trash those who do not agree with them.

It's one thing to disagree with someone who is protesting something, but I'm just tired of the constant discrediting of them just because you disagree with their protest. The right did it when the left was screaming about Bush and the policies of that era, and now the short memories of the Left are kicking in as they go out and trash those who don't like how things are being handled now by their boys. The ability to protest (and yes you will get those who aim to disrupt) is what sets America apart, and to try to quiet those who throw public tantrums is much more damaging to freedom in general than to just let them say their piece (without getting physically violent mind you).
 
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BigPapaVol said:
First, the government contracting process has no room in it for anything that makes sense.

Second, try to fix pricing across America as Uncle Sugar has done with medicare and multitudes of the best providers will opt out, as they have with Medicare and Delta Dental. This isn't rocket science.
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Bingo....

Or, at times it can actually elevate the price. I haven't heard anyone really talking about the fact that the majority of outpatient insurance services are actually priced based on a percentage of medicare rates.
 
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LG had to get a new toilet for his love affair with government......

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lawgator1 said:
I am a partner in small business with 12 employees. Since we opened up in April, 2001, we paid the full health insurance for all of our employees. Every year, the cost of that rose 20-40%, and we figured out a way to pay for it.

This year, for the first time, we had to ask the employees to pay a small share of the cost of the latest increase, and we had to take on a plan with a higher deductible. If it continues, its a matter of time (and I don't mean 7 or 8 years) before we can't afford it all or, more likely, individual employees start balking at their share of the monthly cost and choose to go without.

It is a problem that is going to get worse, not better.
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the only business in the world that has steadily maintained the same type of inflation is higher education. That industry is also marred by idiotic government intervention as is the healthcare industry.

Student loan increases gave absolutely driven the increases there because the people running the program are idiots. The medical business and all of the iterim trash piled on are often priced off Medicare recovery charts. Insurance companies price in profits from those charts mixed with underwriting data.
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lawgator1 said:
And as to Olberman, you've made up your mind and so I won't bother you with a list. But his expose last night on how many big advertisers are shunning Glenn Beck was pretty good.QUOTE]


Who cares about advertisers avoiding Glenn Beck, and why concerned with conservative pundits?
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As someone that has taught special education for about 30 years, I have always had to pay part of my insurance and have never thought much about it. It was just something that I had to do. If Universal Health Care passes, teachers and support personel would be some of the first to go to this plan as a cost cutting measure for school systems. You said that this was the first year that you had to ask employees to contribute to their health care and the cost keeps going up. So does that mean that you want heath care passed to improve your bottom line?

There is probably not one single person on this board that does not want lower health care costs. But government health care is not the way to go. Just as the President said yesterday when he compared FedX and the post office. That the post office doesn't work as well!
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Wow...way to shoot for the stars. And I love the "I'm not going to criticize Obama because ANYTHING is better than Bush" attitude....Bill Maher would be proud.
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Ooh, did someone say Bill Maher?? Here you go...

And finally, New Rule: Just because a country elects a smart president doesn't make it a smart country. Now, a couple of weeks ago, I was asked on CNN if I thought Sarah Palin, and I said, "I hope not, but I wouldn't put anything past this stupid country." Well, the station was flooded with emails and the Twits hit the fan. And you could tell these people were really mad because they wrote entirely in capital letters!

Worst of all, Bill O'Reilly refuted my contention that this is a stupid country by calling me a "pinhead." Which, a) proves my point and b) is really funny coming from a "doody-face" like him!

Now, before I go about demonstrating how sadly easy it is to prove the dumbness that is dragging us down, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq war, 70% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Six years later, 34% still do.

Or, look at the healthcare debate going on now. At a recent town hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his congressman to "keep your government hands off my Medicare." Which is kind of like driving cross-country to protest highways.

This country is like a college chick after two Long Island ice teas. We can be talked into anything. Like wars. And we can be talked out of anything. Like healthcare.

We should forget the town halls and replace them with study halls.

Listen to some of these statistics. A majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. Twenty-four percent could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don't know what's in Roe v. Wade; two-thirds don't know what the Food and Drug Administration does.

Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, the way the "Slumdog" kid knew about cricket?

But, not here. Nearly half of Americans don't know that states have two senators. And more than half can't name their congressman. And, among Republican governors, only three got their wife's name right on the first try.

People b*tch and moan about taxes and spending. They have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It's actually less than one percent. A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen. And a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Which is an ABSURD sentence, because it contains the words "Bush" and "knowledge."

Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America, even though a Gallup Poll says 18% of us think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they're not stupid; they're "interplanetary mavericks."

And I haven't even brought up religion. But, here's one fun fact I'll leave you with: Did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That's right. Half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament, and cannot figure out which one came first.

I rest my case.
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A majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. Twenty-four percent could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don't know what's in Roe v. Wade; two-thirds don't know what the Food and Drug Administration does.
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This is astonishing.

a Gallup Poll says 18% of us think the sun revolves around the earth.
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This is embarrassing.
 
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OWB said:
Ooh, did someone say Bill Maher?? Here you go...
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There are idiots on both the right and the left, of that there is no doubt. I will say this about the statement from Bill Maher. The majority of those who know very little about this countries history and the way it works find themselves in the liberal camp.
 
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KB5252 said:
There are idiots on both the right and the left, of that there is no doubt. I will say this about the statement from Bill Maher. The majority of those who know very little about this countries history and the way it works find themselves in the liberal camp.
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...and the majority of those that don't know Judiasm is older than Christianity are in the conservative camp, most likely Christian themselves.
 
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rjd970 said:
...and the majority of those that don't know Judiasm is older than Christianity are in the conservative camp, most likely Christian themselves.
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Maybe, but what does this have to do with politics?

A christian not knowing the history of Judaism has much less of an effect on the country than a liberal who knows little about the workings of government or it's history.
 
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rjd970 said:
...and the majority of those that don't know Judiasm is older than Christianity are in the conservative camp, most likely Christian themselves.
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This comparison is about as useful as the "Post Office vs FedEx" one.
 
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