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lawgator1 said:
I don't recall Obama at the time exhorting his fans to march on the Capitol, or sotting by as his voters planned to kill the vice president or speaker, or then posting on social media where to find the target of my ire.

Like Trumplestillskin.
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Same Obama who went on TV to respond to the grand jury’s decision on Michael Brown. What ensued was riots nationwide by his fans.
 
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McDad said:
This is an interesting discussion.

Are you saying Louder's source from the gao is wrong, or Louder is misrepresenting the content? Is the video you saw more compelling evidence than an official report?
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I had had no intention of proving or even saying any of those things, but I think the question has sufficiently played out to give a more straightforward answer.

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FWIW, this table from the report doesn’t seem to be consistent with 4 or 5 and the note makes clear this is non-exhaustive. But I didn’t read the whole report because it is a report on police preparedness. It’s not meant to be a report on what violence took place. There are better sources.

That said, if you’ve seen multiple videos of multiple people engaged in violence on a particular day, including just one short video of 5 or more people stomping and assaulting a police officer and then the government tells you that only 4 or 5 people were violent that day, which would you believe?

But that’s boring. Anybody can count to 6, everybody knows violence when they see it, the event was so inescapably publicized that ignorance isn’t a defense. You’re (generic) simply not motivated by any concerns about accuracy if you’re (generic again) saying it’s 4 or 5.

I thought that asking what level of inaccuracy that the person was willing to accept might give more insight into what the motivation actually was.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Where was the outrage when the loons were at the Supreme Court justices homes?
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That’s different.

Those people didn’t represent anyone but themselves. However, every looney tune that goes off the deep end is a reflection of Trump, the GOP, and anyone that doesn’t support leftist ideology.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I had had no intention of proving or even saying any of those things, but I think the question has sufficiently played out to give a more straightforward answer.

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FWIW, this table from the report doesn’t seem to be consistent with 4 or 5 and the note makes clear this is non-exhaustive. But I didn’t read the whole report because it is a report on police preparedness. It’s not meant to be a report on what violence took place. There are better sources.

That said, if you’ve seen multiple videos of multiple people engaged in violence on a particular day, including just one short video of 5 or more people stomping and assaulting a police officer and then the government tells you that only 4 or 5 people were violent that day, which would you believe?

But that’s boring. Anybody can count to 6, everybody knows violence when they see it, the event was so inescapably publicized that ignorance isn’t a defense. You’re (generic) simply not motivated by any concerns about accuracy if you’re (generic again) saying it’s 4 or 5.

I thought that asking what level of inaccuracy that the person was willing to accept might give more insight into what the motivation actually was.
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Good reference out of the report. Speaking for myself, while things like spitting/pushing/spraying meets the legal threshold for assault, it doesn't rise the the imagery I have when I consider someone being assaulted. Assaulted, to me, means beating/fighting, etc.

Who would I believe between a government report and video? Neither on face value. I have been mislead by video which has been cut to not provide context of the before. I am also not sure we have seen every video of the event which was made. Government reports are created by government officials and they always have an agenda. They are never unbiased.

So, I have to put my trust in what is brought to light over time and through several resources. Unfortunately, the whole truth usually isn't fully known until much later and by the time the whole truth is known, the public has moved on to the next "big thing" and there is little bandwidth to discuss.
 
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McDad said:
Good reference out of the report. Speaking for myself, while things like spitting/pushing/spraying meets the legal threshold for assault, it doesn't rise the the imagery I have when I consider someone being assaulted. Assaulted, to me, means beating/fighting, etc.

Who would I believe between a government report and video? Neither on face value. I have been mislead by video which has been cut to not provide context of the before. I am also not sure we have seen every video of the event which was made. Government reports are created by government officials and they always have an agenda. They are never unbiased.

So, I have to put my trust in what is brought to light over time and through several resources. Unfortunately, the whole truth usually isn't fully known until much later and by the time the whole truth is known, the public has moved on to the next "big thing" and there is little bandwidth to discuss.
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What additional context would you need upon seeing video of protestors dragging a uniformed police officer down a bunch of steps and stomping him and beating him with sticks to determine whether and how many of those protestors behaved violently?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wow. That's your answer? They didn't manage to hang Spence or Pelosi and returned to business down the line, so its all okay?? Really??
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all ok? Again I have said multiple times they should face trial for their actual crimes.

You REALLY think these people deserve to be sentenced to death for treason based on what you saw on 1/6? For trespassing in Pelosi's office? FWIW as I far as I have seen, and read other's opinions on, there aren't levels of treason. You don't get any less punishment for "attempted" treason, or even "conspiracy" to commit treason before you try to walk down your charges. You want these people killed because you disagree with their politics. speaks to your partisanship.

1. Manage to hang, you say that like they got a noose around their necks or was hunting them down in the hallways and they just barely managed to slip away. You forgot to mention AOC in the barely escaped category. Pence wasn't even in the building they "stormed".
2. Apparently in lieu of getting to hang Pelosi their back up plan was to take a selfie at her desk and steal a piece of furniture? Seems like they would have gone about smashing up a LOT more than they did.
3. the dichotomy between what you believe was their goal, and what they ACTUALLY did, is huge. yes, I believe our justice system SHOULD be based on what we actually do, not what the possible worst case scenario that might have been.

how/when did the "coup" end btw?
 
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LouderVol said:
all ok? Again I have said multiple times they should face trial for their actual crimes.

You REALLY think these people deserve to be sentenced to death for treason based on what you saw on 1/6? For trespassing in Pelosi's office? FWIW as I far as I have seen, and read other's opinions on, there aren't levels of treason. You don't get any less punishment for "attempted" treason, or even "conspiracy" to commit treason before you try to walk down your charges. You want these people killed because you disagree with their politics. speaks to your partisanship.

1. Manage to hang, you say that like they got a noose around their necks or was hunting them down in the hallways and they just barely managed to slip away. You forgot to mention AOC in the barely escaped category. Pence wasn't even in the building they "stormed".
2. Apparently in lieu of getting to hang Pelosi their back up plan was to take a selfie at her desk and steal a piece of furniture? Seems like they would have gone about smashing up a LOT more than they did.
3. the dichotomy between what you believe was their goal, and what they ACTUALLY did, is huge. yes, I believe our justice system SHOULD be based on what we actually do, not what the possible worst case scenario that might have been.

how/when did the "coup" end btw?
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I think a number of them deserve significant prison sentences, yes. Including specifically Trump, who should be facing a substantial prison term.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I had had no intention of proving or even saying any of those things, but I think the question has sufficiently played out to give a more straightforward answer.

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FWIW, this table from the report doesn’t seem to be consistent with 4 or 5 and the note makes clear this is non-exhaustive. But I didn’t read the whole report because it is a report on police preparedness. It’s not meant to be a report on what violence took place. There are better sources.

That said, if you’ve seen multiple videos of multiple people engaged in violence on a particular day, including just one short video of 5 or more people stomping and assaulting a police officer and then the government tells you that only 4 or 5 people were violent that day, which would you believe?

But that’s boring. Anybody can count to 6, everybody knows violence when they see it, the event was so inescapably publicized that ignorance isn’t a defense. You’re (generic) simply not motivated by any concerns about accuracy if you’re (generic again) saying it’s 4 or 5.

I thought that asking what level of inaccuracy that the person was willing to accept might give more insight into what the motivation actually was.
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and what did you deduce from my answer?

and here you go changing my words. I very clearly made a distinction between "violence" and "beating".

the popular claim was hundreds of cops were beaten. that number is at most 123. and that 123 includes pushed or sprayed. I would consider neither of those "beaten". now did +123 experience violence? yes. absolutely. I have never said otherwise. Its only by people twisting my actual statements to say otherwise.

if you have a consolidated report of the actual violent that took place I would like to see it. I was able to provide my source, doesn't seem to a stretch to expect you to provide yours.
 
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LouderVol said:
and what did you deduce from my answer?

and here you go changing my words. I very clearly made a distinction between "violence" and "beating".

the popular claim was hundreds of cops were beaten. that number is at most 123. and that 123 includes pushed or sprayed. I would consider neither of those "beaten". now did +123 experience violence? yes. absolutely. I have never said otherwise. Its only by people twisting my actual statements to say otherwise.

if you have a consolidated report of the actual violent that took place I would like to see it. I was able to provide my source, doesn't seem to a stretch to expect you to provide yours.
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LouderVol said:
There are about 4 or 5 guilty of violence.
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RockyTop85 said:
What additional context would you need upon seeing video of protestors dragging a uniformed police officer down a bunch of steps and stomping him and beating him with sticks to determine whether and how many of those protestors behaved violently?
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Congress/someone in DC is still withholding some videos of the incident(s), correct? the GOP side has pushed to have them released, and the Dems are fighting it? Why?

as I pointed out with the math in that survey, done by the cops, they used violence 3x as much as the crowd. again that is self reported by your good guys. Seems plausible that your cop that got drug down the stairs and beaten may have instigated a fight. Maybe pulled his best Bama impression and punched a woman from behind, crowd lashed out. Violence should never be celebrated, but that would seem to justify that particular incident. thats just one possibility. So yes, more video context could/should be helpful. Especially if one side is determined to hold back that evidence. Seems like it would hurt their cause.

Hurt, but probably not sink their cause, because I know there are some MAGA crowd out there who believe the missing tape is some combination of the Grassy Knole, Bigfoot, and Area 51 rolled together to damn the government. but that just brings up the question, why actually hide that video unless it is THAT bad for those hiding it? I doubt its a video of Trump on a face time call telling Epps to go kill Pence and announce Trump's own emperorship.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am referring to the violence actually on the steps of the Capitol. I understand there was separate violence going on in DC/the mall that resulted in the claims of "hundreds" of cops getting injured. note that they include pushing as a valid injury in their survey/report.
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that actually "beat" up the guards. yes 4 or 5.
I mean if you want to say the people who simply laid hands, but did no damage, then yeah you are going to drag in a bunch more people.
If you mean the AOC level facing death then yeah probably millions of people guilty.
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@RockyTop85

here you go. I already qualified that 4 and 5 of violence. and this was the next post after the 4 & 5.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think a number of them deserve significant prison sentences, yes. Including specifically Trump, who should be facing a substantial prison term.
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I agree, some people should be facing substantial prison terms, I just probably differ on the reasoning/charges.

so not treason? because the punishment for Treason is death. and I don't know what else you would charge people for in a violent coup? Strange (not really) how your tone changed with this post. hopefully you are starting to realize you have been WAY too bloodthirsty in this matter.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
What additional context would you need upon seeing video of protestors dragging a uniformed police officer down a bunch of steps and stomping him and beating him with sticks to determine whether and how many of those protestors behaved violently?
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It is challenging to answer with any accuracy. Does one video show what happened to the folks in frame over the course the video plays? Yes. Do I understand the events prior to the video beginning? No. That lack of understanding doesn't absolve any single person from responsibility for their actions. The lack of understanding affects my ability to judge to totality of the circumstances. I am not supporting anyone, especially a LEO getting beaten by others. There should be a trial and punishment for those found guilty.
Additionally, that video (or videos) may not be representative of everyone (or most) who were gathered.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Yeah, false allegations. Biden's DOJ makes those up.Trump was the POTUS taking his documents no more so than what Biden, the child molester, has done. Biden, as senator, had more documents than Trump in different locations & in wide-open spaces and shouldn't have even taken classified documents. He broke the law doing so. But that's just wonderful in your eyes though. You believe & listen to your propaganda machine of liberal lies too much. They make up false allegations on Trump for 7-8 years now & you eat it up hoping he'll just go away..
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Biden did not have more classified documents on his personal properties than Trump. That is a lie.
 
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LouderVol said:
I agree, some people should be facing substantial prison terms, I just probably differ on the reasoning/charges.

so not treason? because the punishment for Treason is death. and I don't know what else you would charge people for in a violent coup? Strange (not really) how your tone changed with this post. hopefully you are starting to realize you have been WAY too bloodthirsty in this matter.
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He's actually scared to death Pres DJT is going to run again.
 
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LouderVol said:
charge them.

What do you do during the parts of the videos where it clearly shows the guards letting them in and them staying in the roped off portions?

If there was ever a case for a "Mostly peaceful" protest 1/6 was it.

There are about 4 or 5 guilty of violence.
there are a couple dozen guilty of trespassing/destruction of government property.
thats out of a couple hundred that made it into Capitol and did absolutely nothing wrong.
and thats out of 10,000+ who just showed up and did nothing but protest.

and somehow that was worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.
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No one is saying it was worse than PH or 9/11 except for you clowns. You saying there are only 4 or 5 guilty of violence tells me all I need to know. You either fast forwarded or closed your eyes as well. Or just avoided those videos altogether.
 
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