Who says you must have an elite qb?

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#27
Elie QB? No you don't have to have an elite QB to win.

But think back to the FL game last year. Peterman couldn't even do the most basic of acts that we expect a QB to do. It was an embarrassment for the university to watch him play. And he was highly rated out of HS.

So I'll take the kid who makes few mistakes and plays within himself and his abilities but keeps the team marching down the field. Now when you look down our bench, do you see that man?

Not sure I do right now.
 
#28
#28
At the very least you need a QB that fits your system. Unfortunately we don't have that with Worley. We run the read option but he never runs the ball. Dobbs is a better runner but isn't exactly a major running threat either. We could really use a dual threat QB to make our offense work better. Also, I think you have to go after the elite QBs, the odds for success are better. Nick Marshall is more of an exception than the rule.
 
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GrowVol said:
Agree to a point..... but look at the talent he had around him. If AJ played for us last year....would he have been more productive than Worley or Dobbs?
You are talking about Nattys? AJ handing the ball off to 1 of 5 Herschel Walkers...then sometimes throwing a safe pass to a top rated receiver..........doesn't make AJ an elite QB. Elite QB's make a team better. Bama players made AJ better and NFL teams knew this....hence the draft results. Elite...no
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This is, indeed, the "McCarron Conundrum." He was surrounded by such exceptional talent at virtually every position that it is sometimes difficult to gauge just how good McCarron was as a quarterback. There were very few instances in which he was forced to carry the team to victory on the strength of his throwing arm. Consequently, he had the luxury of almost never having to make a risky throw. It is, perhaps, a disservice to him to call him a "game manager," but an elite quarterback truly does elevate the play of his teammates; McCarron was rarely forced to do so.
 
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fade route said:
You don't need an elite QB if you have a few elite playmakers at WR or RB
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Thats not really true. We have the best WR group in the SEC and it isnt going to matter if we cant get them the ball. Matt Simms struggled in 2010 with 3 NFL WR's and Gerald Jones.
 
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I'm much more worried about the guy snapping the ball and his four nearest friends. A tough OL can make a serviceable QB look great. I think we have plenty of talent at the other skill positions on offense.
 
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Auburn and FSU might differ with you. As to competence, let's say for arguments sake you are right. Please tell who we have currently playing that is a competent QB. Would love to have that conversation.
 
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We already have Jennings committed. He isn't listed by the recruiting services as elite, yet, but CBJ likes him. We're after several more. QB is not position I'm worried about.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Auburn and FSU might differ with you. As to competence, let's say for arguments sake you are right. Please tell who we have currently playing that is a competent QB. Would love to have that conversation.
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Competent?

Last year Worley. Hopefully he becomes more than that this year. Expect Dobbs to become atleast "competent" this year too.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Competent?

Last year Worley. Hopefully he becomes more than that this year. Expect Dobbs to become atleast "competent" this year too.
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Outside of a single game where if North doesn't make the craziest catch ever we are singing a different tune, when exactly was Worley "competent"?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Outside of a single game where if North doesn't make the craziest catch ever we are singing a different tune, when exactly was Worley "competent"?
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I'd say he was all right in that sc game. Did what he had to do. Wasn't bad in ga either.

IMO he was improving every week till the injury.

I'll add he was doing that against some pretty good teams too.
 
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majorvol said:
1998 we had a playmaker not a superstar.
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Who was drafted before Tom Brady... Sorry, but a good trigger is not everything, but is still the most important piece. ANY QB that is drafted is elite, considering someone is willing to give the a chance at 1/2 a million dollars or more just to play QB.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Some in the vol family are panicking because we haven't committed a big time qb. Who says you must have one? Nick Marshall and aj mcclarron aren't elite qbs. They're good qbs but not elite. We need a competent qb who knows the offense and is mobile.:rock:
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BearCat204 said:
Outside of a single game where if North doesn't make the craziest catch ever we are singing a different tune, when exactly was Worley "competent"?
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The throw Worley made to North was a good throw. Put it where only North could make the catch. I would also point out that Worley was 17-31 for 215 yds agains UGA w/ TD and INTs, and against SC was 19-34 for 179 yds w/ 1 TD and 0 INTs. Not elite numbers to be sure, but certainly 'competent'. The week following SC, against Bama, in the 1st half before his injury he went 8-15 for 120 yds. Marred by 0 TDs w/ 2 INTs, but he spent most of that half scrambling for his life as the OL once again failed to live up to the hype. Worley will never be confused for an elite QB, but he was showing improvement up until the point he was injured. Hopefully, going to the Whitfield QB camp will pay dividends for him and Dobbs both. That and better protection from the OL along w/ much more help from the receiving corp than any of the QBs got last season.
 
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This was a big discussion on talk radio yesterday in Nashville and many of the talking heads were acting like when the ball in snapped next season it is just going to fall on the turf at Neyland.
There are MANY examples of average QB's leading utilizing very good talent around them and having big seasons. I think many on here want 6-6 at the minimum next year. I would take Worley/Dobbs over Jordan Rogers who got his team bowl eligible the last 2 seasons. I would take Worley/Dobbs over McElroy who won the MNC at Bama. The list can go on and on.
I am more worried about lack of defensive speed and defensive play calling the next 2 years than I am QB play.
 
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velovol said:
This was a big discussion on talk radio yesterday in Nashville and many of the talking heads were acting like when the ball in snapped next season it is just going to fall on the turf at Neyland.
There are MANY examples of average QB's leading utilizing very good talent around them and having big seasons. I think many on here want 6-6 at the minimum next year. I would take Worley/Dobbs over Jordan Rogers who got his team bowl eligible the last 2 seasons. I would take Worley/Dobbs over McElroy who won the MNC at Bama. The list can go on and on.
I am more worried about lack of defensive speed and defensive play calling the next 2 years than I am QB play.
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You can go ahead and check that one off now.. I know the kids are freshman but the speed is here now on the Defensive side of the ball.
 
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Obviously an Elite QB is a major help, but a great D that keeps the other team from scoring 40+ points on you doesn't hurt either.
Seems like there was a slightly successful coach once that focused on defense quite a bit, I think his name was Noland or Neeland...or something like that! :blink:


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SmokeySC said:
You can go ahead and check that one off now.. I know the kids are freshman but the speed is here now on the Defensive side of the ball.
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I believe its here in theory, I am taking a wait and see on actual results. Think we are still at least a year away from seeing it on the field.
 
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tm3 said:
Imagine Peyton behind Kelly's O line, and with Kelly's WR and RB corps.

Wow
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Add to that the 98 defense and that team would win the superbowl (while all still in college).
 
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