Who says you must have an elite qb?

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#51
Many examples used here of less than elite QBs don't apply to CBJ's offense. We don't run a pro style offense anymore. When the QB goes under center it is easier to run the ball successfully. With a pro style offense you can still do well with only a mediocre QB.

The problem with CBJ's system is it depends heavily on the QB's play. Maybe we don't need an elite QB but we need one that fits CBJ's system and that's the problem. That system has become popular in college football meaning we have more competition for those types of QBs. It is a reason I don't like this offense, everything depends on the QB.

Look at TX as an example, they had an all world 5 star QB waiting in the wings after Colt McCoy left. He was a true freshman during McCoy's SR yr. Because of that fact, their other QBs that had a shot at starting transferred. Couldn't recruit anyone behind this guy either so, once he busted, TX had no other QB on staff that could run their offense. It ultimately cost Mack Brown his job. There were other problems at TX also but if you can't score points in the Big12 you can't win.

I would prefer an offense that doesn't depend so much on one players performance.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out who this "mcclarron" kid is.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
The throw Worley made to North was a good throw. Put it where only North could make the catch. I would also point out that Worley was 17-31 for 215 yds agains UGA w/ TD and INTs, and against SC was 19-34 for 179 yds w/ 1 TD and 0 INTs. Not elite numbers to be sure, but certainly 'competent'. The week following SC, against Bama, in the 1st half before his injury he went 8-15 for 120 yds. Marred by 0 TDs w/ 2 INTs, but he spent most of that half scrambling for his life as the OL once again failed to live up to the hype. Worley will never be confused for an elite QB, but he was showing improvement up until the point he was injured. Hopefully, going to the Whitfield QB camp will pay dividends for him and Dobbs both. That and better protection from the OL along w/ much more help from the receiving corp than any of the QBs got last season.
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I know we lost the game, but I thought that Worley looked good in the Oregon game. The T.D. to Croom in the 1st half looked good.
 
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Was Casey Clausen elite coming out of high school? Or Ainge, for that matter? Asking a serious question.
 
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sjsmith87 said:
Was Casey Clausen elite coming out of high school? Or Ainge, for that matter? Asking a serious question.
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Casey was top five at his position. Think I remember that EA was 11 rated on Rivals but not positive. Both of them were a part classes that had other QBs
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Casey was top five at his position. Think I remember that EA was 11 rated on Rivals but not positive. Both of them were a part classes that had other QBs
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I remember my brother was riding on a plane coming from Oregon where he ran into Fulmer. My brother ask Phil what he was doing in Oregon. Phil said, "finding the next Peyton Manning". He was referring to Ainge. :eek:lol:
 
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overseasorange said:
I remember my brother was riding on a plane coming from Oregon where he ran into Fulmer. My brother ask Phil what he was doing in Oregon. Phil said, "finding the next Peyton Manning". He was referring to Ainge. :eek:lol:
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Next to the QBs that we have now, Ainge looks like Peyton Manning.
 
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sjsmith87 said:
Was Casey Clausen elite coming out of high school? Or Ainge, for that matter? Asking a serious question.
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Just to show you how f'ed up the ratings system is sometimes, Rivals rated Nathan Peterman higher than Erik Ainge.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Just to show you how f'ed up the ratings system is sometimes, Rivals rated Nathan Peterman higher than Erik Ainge.
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I am not sure how good or bad that Peterman is, but I will guarantee that he is better than what he showed in the Florida game.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I am not sure how good or bad that Peterman is, but I will guarantee that he is better than what he showed in the Florida game.
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I'm not sure what that really means. I guess it's relative.

What I know is that Peterman can't beat out Worley or a couple of freshman (well, one freshman now) for the starting job and I know that none of these guys is even close to as good as Ainge was and Ainge was not as good as guys like Clausen, Martin, or Manning.

so if Manning is a 10+ on the dial, Peterman is like a -3.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I'm not sure what that really means. I guess it's relative.

What I know is that Peterman can't beat out Worley or a couple of freshman (well, one freshman now) for the starting job and I know that none of these guys is even close to as good as Ainge was and Ainge was not as good as guys like Clausen, Martin, or Manning.

so if Manning is a 10+ on the dial, Peterman is like a -3.
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What it means is that Peterman had the misfortune of getting his very first meaningful snaps as a redshirt freshman against a very good Florida defense (with everybody healthy) in the Swamp. He was green, scared, and overmatched, and then tried to play hurt. It won't always be that way.
 
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1972 Grad said:
What it means is that Peterman had the misfortune of getting his very first meaningful snaps as a redshirt freshman against a very good Florida defense (with everybody healthy) in the Swamp. He was green, scared, and overmatched, and then tried to play hurt. It won't always be that way.
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If things go better this year health wise, I doubt we'll ever see Peterman on the field again. Is he better than his performance at Florida? Maybe. Is he a decent QB capable of leading our team to meaningful wins? Probably not.

Coach Jones has not mentioned to anyone that Peterman is way better or vastly improved over what we saw of him. He's still low man on our totem pole, and its a very little totem pole these days.

All of this is to say, going back to my original post, that player rankings are not always the best indicator of how good a player is. If it were highly reliable, then my guess is that Peterman would have been playing for a different team than UT during the Dooley recruiting era.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
If things go better this year health wise, I doubt we'll ever see Peterman on the field again. Is he better than his performance at Florida? Maybe. Is he a decent QB capable of leading our team to meaningful wins? Probably not.

Coach Jones has not mentioned to anyone that Peterman is way better or vastly improved over what we saw of him. He's still low man on our totem pole, and its a very little totem pole these days.

All of this is to say, going back to my original post, that player rankings are not always the best indicator of how good a player is. If it were highly reliable, then my guess is that Peterman would have been playing for a different team than UT during the Dooley recruiting era.
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All I can find is that Peterman completed 199-315 passes (63.2%) for 2,932 yards and 36 TD's as a high school senior. He threw for 4 tds in 2 games and 3 tds in 8 other games.

He was named Florida Assoc Press Class 6A All State Quarterback as a senior. He chose Tenn over Cincinnati (Butch Jones), Vanderbilt(James Franklin), and Wake Forest(whoever). My point is that he had a successful high school career in Class 6A Florida, and had other offers, maybe not the biggest schools, but I have seen qbs from smaller schools outplay U.T.'s on many occasions.
 
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I'll bite.

You clearly have to have an "elite" qb to win a title these days. Looking at the list of BCS era National Champions from 2000-2013, I can only find one* that I'd consider a middle of the pack player. What you base your judgment on determining "elite" is up to you. Be it them coming out of HS with a bunch of stars, or what they do when they get to college. That's all subject to personal judgment.

Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Craig Krenzel*
Matt Mauck
Matt Leinart
VY
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Tebow
Greg McElroy
Cam
AJ - twice
Jameis Winston

That's your list of the last winners.

There's a pretty long list of "elite" college players that either played for it all and lost, or played in a BCS game too.

You don't get to a Championship game without an elite qb. That's just how it is.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll bite.

You clearly have to have an "elite" qb to win a title these days. Looking at the list of BCS era National Champions from 2000-2013, I can only find one* that I'd consider a middle of the pack player. What you base your judgment on determining "elite" is up to you. Be it them coming out of HS with a bunch of stars, or what they do when they get to college. That's all subject to personal judgment.

Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Craig Krenzel*
Matt Mauck
Matt Leinart
VY
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Tebow
Greg McElroy
Cam
AJ - twice
Jameis Winston

That's your list of the last winners.

There's a pretty long list of "elite" college players that either played for it all and lost, or played in a BCS game too.

You don't get to a Championship game without an elite qb. That's just how it is.
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Funny....I thought defense won championships.....what the...
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I think our team does need a super star QB at this time. At least until Butch has gathered 4 - 5 consectutive top 5 recruiting classes. Unfortunately, we are still significantly behind the top tier of the SEC. Having a super star QB for next year will only get us back to being able to play with the heavy weights sooner. After that, I agree with most of the posters.
 
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No offense, but an game manager QB, a sturdy RB and an O-line that can protect in passing situations while opening holes/cracks in running situations will win you more than cost you.

We had a very talented QB (Bray - despite his mental issues) and 2-3 outstanding WRs/TE - look what that got us.
 
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No offense but Bray was more accurate with an empty Bud Light bottle than he was a football in the several games I watched him.
 
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Hopefully, whoever we bring in, can sit for a while before taking the field. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm a believer in bringing in QBs (elite or not) and having them develop and mature until it's time for them to see the field. In a perfect world, I'd say that means a redshirt sophomore at the earliest.

With that being said, I believe Worley and Dobbs can take us through the next 3 years until the QB(s) we bring in this year have a great command of the offense and enough time in our S&C program.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
It used to be that way.
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No its still that way. If your statement were true then AU would have blown FSU out and Denver would have cremated the Seahawks.

I think an elite QB is integral for a great offense and is very important. But in the end the defense usually decides things.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
No its still that way. If your statement were true then AU would have blown FSU out and Denver would have cremated the Seahawks.

I think an elite QB is integral for a great offense and is very important. But in the end the defense usually decides things.
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Good pitching beats good hitting.
 
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