Who stands accountable?

#26
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Originally posted by checkerboard_charly@Nov 6, 2005 12:10
but our d gave up 4 huge plays last nite, and if u take those plays away, we win this game by at least two touchdowns.
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agreed, other then long bombs to samardizja, notre dame is only an average team. someone needs to crush him someday, and keep in check. i think we would have wn that game with jason allen guarding him the whole game.
 
#27
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Originally posted by tvolsfan@Nov 6, 2005 12:46 PM
agreed, other then long bombs to samardizja, notre dame is only an average team. someone needs to crush him someday, and keep  in check. i think we would have wn that game with jason allen guarding him the whole game.
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yeah, allen would have definetly pimped smacket that little rat.

he is like tom brady. i cant stand them at all.
 
#28
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Nov 6, 2005 11:24 AM
I personally think those of us on this board, along with the rest of our beloved Volunteer Nation have to share some of the blame.
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I agree, surrealvol. Both we, the fans, and the coaching staff have played not to lose for too, too long. Even now, lots of people are afraid to let PF go b/c they're AFRAID WE'LL LOSE without him. The heck with that!

We're all playing the "prevent" in every aspect of the game., and you know what the "prevent" does - it prevents you from winning.

The entire VolNation has to get rid of that mentality.
 
#29
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We're all playing the "prevent" in every aspect of the game., and you know what the "prevent" does - it prevents you from winning.

The entire VolNation has to get rid of that mentality.
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In the "real" world, the man-in-charge is ultimately responsible for successes and failures. CPF makes the hiring and firing decisions like in any business. CPF has let the program go southward for several years. He has loosened the "reins" of the team in the areas of discipline and accountability. Fans have the right to expect success and not settle for anything less. My coaching philosophy has always been: "I don't mind losing to a better team, if they outplay us and we don't beat ourselves with stupid mistakes". It is the coach's responsibility to correct the mistakes the players are committing over and over. I haven't seen many (if any) of the teams we played this year actually better talent-wise. What I have observed is that the other teams had more discipline and worked together as teams.
 
#30
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In the "real" world, the man-in-charge is ultimately responsible for successes and failures. CPF makes the hiring and firing decisions like in any business.
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Don't be too sure that college ball isn't the real world - it IS a business, since the money from football helps to pay for other sports programs such as title 9 or whatever number it is. If you don't have football revenue, you have weaker programs in all sports. Coach Fulmer is the CEO of the football program. He is responsible whether it is his "fault" or not. I also agree that there needs to be an attitude change. For once, cant phil just come out to a post-loss press conference and show some anger, or some emotion, or something. He is too lackidaisical . . . . and, the players seem the same way on the field. I can actually see a similar attitude between players and coaches, imagine that. We need a radical change, if not, for the sake of UT, and the "tradition" and the fans, the head coach will have to go.
 
#31
#31
I just can't post in response to this topic, Freak don't have enough bandwith here to get all of my response on here :banghead:
 
#32
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I think one of the reasons people didnt notice how the program was slipping, is because we were still winning.

UT used to blow out teams like Vandy, SC, Kentucky, Miss. State, Ole Miss, etc. The first indication the program was slipping is when these games often became close. We started periodically going late into the 4th quarter to beat Vandy and Kentucky. Teams we used to routinely blow out. But since we were still winning people dont complain.

Even when we would defeat a team like Ga or FL, it was usually an extremely close game, won by a FG usually. Where when we lost games to teams the caliber of Ga it would often be a blowout. Again, fans dont complain about wins in close games. When is the last time we dominated a Ga, Auburn, LSU, FL, etc in a game? The last few years, we could have easily lost to SC, Alabama, Fl, and GA in games that we won. UT just hasnt been dominating under Fulmer.

It was only a matter of time, before the program slipped a little more and we start losing these close games. Now people notice it.

We didnt gradually slip to this level. It didnt happen overnight. We have been slowly slipping since 2001. We are not going to get better overnight either. It will be a gradual process of building back. Thats why I think Fulmer isnt going to survive. I think we are 2 years away from putting together a SEC championship team. I'm not sure the fans are going to tolerate 2 more of mediocrity.
 
#33
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Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 6, 2005 3:51 PM
I think one of the reasons people didnt notice how the program was slipping, is because we were still winning.

UT used to blow out teams like Vandy, SC, Kentucky, Miss. State, Ole Miss, etc.  The first indication the program was slipping is when these games often became close.  We started periodically going late into the 4th quarter to beat Vandy and Kentucky. Teams we used to routinely blow out.  But since we were still winning people dont complain.

Even when we would defeat a team like Ga or FL, it was usually an extremely close game, won by a FG usually.  Where when we lost games to teams the caliber of Ga it would often be a blowout.  Again, fans dont complain about wins in close games.  When is the last time we dominated a Ga, Auburn, LSU, FL, etc in a game?  The last few years, we could have easily lost to SC, Alabama, Fl, and GA in games that we won.  UT just hasnt been dominating under Fulmer. 

It was only a matter of time, before the program slipped a little more and we start losing these close games.  Now people notice it. 

We didnt gradually slip to this level.  It didnt happen overnight.  We have been slowly slipping since 2001.  We are not going to get better overnight either.  It will be a gradual process of building back.  Thats why I think Fulmer isnt going to survive.  I think we are 2 years away from putting together a SEC championship team.  I'm not sure the fans are going to tolerate 2 more of mediocrity.
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We may look better next year because GA and Bama will be replacing good QBs for youth and inexperience. I am not sure that Leak will make the cut next year either. SC is still two years away as well.

UT must take advantage of the rebuilding of other teams next year. That might be Fulmer's saving grace.
 
#34
#34
Blame, Coach Philip Fulmer. Nobody else! First for hiring Randy Sanders. Second, for waiting so long to fire him. Thirdly, for allowing him to be in South Bend/with phones on and finally himself for not siding himself with someone smarter than RS to help our kids perform!
 
#35
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Nov 6, 2005 4:04 PM
Blame, Coach Philip Fulmer. Nobody else! First for hiring Randy Sanders. Second, for waiting so long to fire him. Thirdly, for allowing him to be in South Bend/with phones on and finally himself for not siding himself with someone smarter than RS to help our kids perform!
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I hope Cut is healthy, because from what you describe he is going to have some 18 and 20 hour days in front of him.
 
#36
#36
Originally posted by Volunteer Rebel@Nov 6, 2005 2:54 PM
Don't be too sure that college ball isn't the real world - it IS a business
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Volunteer Rebel, that's the point I was making: football is a business and the CEO needs to be held accountable.
 
#37
#37
"The fault, dear Buutus..........ahh nevermind, everyone in at fault including the cheerleaders!!! :censored:
 
#38
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Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Nov 6, 2005 11:13 AM
Good lord, a goody two shoes.  Sorry I didn't get the right dictionary.  Obviously I need to find the one with the hyphen between Warner and Robins.

I did read the whole topic, so I accept your apology for attacking my post.  So I won't start a pissing contest. 

I guess you were a little PO'd last night as any Vol fan should be.  But remember.  Nit picking small things like that will drive you crazy.  LIO has that job and I am sorry she didn't catch it in time. 

We're all Vols on here.  But feel free to call out any trolls tht lurk here.
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"Goody two shoes"? Lord, no. Maybe just a touch anal-retentive...but not a G2S.

I guess I'm the one that needs to go find a dictionary. I thought WR was hyphenated.

And yes, I was PO'd. Big time. Truth is, I've been PO'd at the state of UT football for about 5 or 6 years now. The sad thing is, even though I know in my heart it won't change until the ship gets a new captain (i.e. - a leopard cannot change it's spots)...I still love my Vols...the very same ones I'm PO'd at. Or about.

Thanks for the response. Here's hoping that one day (soon), we can all sit back and say "I told you so" about Fulmer.
 
#40
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Nov 6, 2005 12:24 PM
I personally think those of us on this board, along with the rest of our beloved Volunteer Nation have to share some of the blame.

We have sat around and begun to accept a bit of mediocrity from our program in terms of losing fairly consistently to Florida, and/or Georgia, and/or LSU, and or Auburn, and/or (God forbid now), South Carolina.

The overall record has been okay, but if you look back over the last few years, you'll see that we just haven't been getting it done against the aforementioned as a group.

Granted, we play in the toughest conference in the country, but so do the aforementioned teams who have played in the SECCG much more than us.

We need to ask that our administration, coaches, and players begin again to accept nothing less than the very best.  And to me, that means that when we go on that field, we are going to kick our opponents butt consistently.  We need to reinstate the fear that used to reign in the minds of our opponents, regardless of who they were.

Losing to a bummed up South Carolina team, even with Visor Vick is unreal. 

If you really look at our schedule this year, we have yet to play anybody with superior talent to ours.  We legitimately had a shot to beat anyone we played.

Now, we seem to be resigned to the fact that a coaching shuffle will get the job done.  I think we need to reshuffle our attitudes and get after it by making sure (However we do that!) that our program gets back to the point where our opponents dread to get the butt-kicking that our Vols are going to deliver to their sorry hides.

So, let's share some of the blame ourselves and take the necessary steps to get back to the TOP where we BELONG!!!!!!!
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I'm not taking blame for that because I've been telling all you sheep forever that We need changes and I'm tired of upper-level mediocrity.
 
#41
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Originally posted by GreyWolf1129@Nov 6, 2005 9:43 PM

Thanks for the response.  Here's hoping that one day (soon), we can all sit back and say "I told you so" about Fulmer.
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What are you talking about? Who said anything about Fulmer?
 
#42
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Well I think that everyone from players to coaches to the media to fans have managed to blame everyone. So from that standpoint, everyone is to blame. The fact is that we have known about UT's offensive woes for years. Sure we enjoyed last year, but it was the exception to the rule. The fact is that all teams have years like this. They were ready to run Bear Bryant out on a rail, until he put in the wishbone offense, and started kicking everyone's butt. At this point all we can do is pull together. All of us (myself included) have tried to find out who's to blame for 2005, fact is that we as fans can't do a damn thing about it. I'm not happy about what has happened, and changes should have been made a long time ago. But change is coming. We all care about Tennessee, or we wouldn't bitch so much about it. But I'm at my end. I'm going to the games, and if they go to Nashville for a bowl game, I'm going there too. But I'm not going to blame players or coaches for this season. They either git er done, or they don't. But I think I'm spent.
 
#43
#43
i still say fulmer is to blame, and i hope he proves me wrong and wins the sec next year so i can tell everybody i was wrong. he has a chance to turn things around if he hires henning, but he won't. cutcliff will be the OC next year and we will finish around 7-4.
 
#44
#44
Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 6, 2005 11:37 PM
i still say fulmer is to blame,  and i hope he proves me wrong and wins the sec next year so i can tell everybody i was wrong.  he has a chance to turn things around if he hires henning,  but he won't.  cutcliff will be the OC next year and we will finish around 7-4.
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I'm with you about CPF. I hate it, but he is the only guy making $2M over there.
 
#45
#45
Just had a thought (okay, so I don't have many). Can anyone imagine the conversation Pat Summitt would have had with Meachem after he alligator-armed the missed TD catch?!? I would pay money to watch that butt-chewin'.
 
#47
#47
Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 6, 2005 9:53 PM
:biggrin2: she may have led him off the field by the facemask.
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...kicking his a** all the way...
 
#48
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Originally posted by Volunteer Rebel@Nov 6, 2005 2:54 PM
Don't be too sure that college ball isn't the real world - it IS a business, since the money from football helps to pay for other sports programs such as title 9 or whatever number it is.  If you don't have football revenue, you have weaker programs in all sports.  Coach Fulmer is the CEO of the football program.  He is responsible whether it is his "fault" or not.  I also agree that there needs to be an attitude change.  For once, cant phil just come out to a post-loss press conference and show some anger, or some emotion, or something.  He is too lackidaisical  . . . . and, the players seem the same way on the field.  I can actually see a similar attitude between players and coaches, imagine that.  We need a radical change, if not, for the sake of UT, and the "tradition" and the fans, the head coach will have to go.
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#49
#49
If you have ever been in the military then you should know that the leader is the one at fault. In this case, Phil Fulmer is the leader. Even if your men under you mess it up, the responsibility is still the leaders. You did not train your men properly.
 
#50
#50
If this season is the players fault, then why are we paying fulmer 2 million dollars a year for??? Obviously somebody, somewhere thinks he does something.
 
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