Who will be Notre dame's new coach

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After that weasel Brian Kelly bolted them in the middle of the night they'll have many options..... personally, I think it will come down to 2 high character and loyal guys, which are in rare supply in CFB, and the world, in general... Matt Campbell or Luke Fickell. Both have publicly said that there would only be 2 schools they would leave for, Ohio State and ND. Unless the bearcats lose saturday Campbell is the presumptive leader right now because Fickell, unlike Kelly won't bail on his team when there is still a shot of them going to the CFP.... He did the same exact thing with an undefeated Cincinnati team in 2009-10. I don't know but Campbell has done about as much at Iowa State as he can possibly do and next years team there will not be as good. It's the perfect storm for him to make the move and it is closer to his roots in Ohio. I think Fickell would really entertain the opportunity also but the timing is not right. just my 2c worth.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I’m no Brian Kelly fan, but he was being paid peanuts at Notre Dame relative to his peers.
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Correct he was making around 3 million. LSU is paying him 15 mil a year. Would you weasel out of town in the middle of the night for a 12 million dollar raise? I know I would. Even if he fails in 4 or 5 years he's going to be stupid rich.
 
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orange blossom said:
After that weasel Brian Kelly bolted them in the middle of the night they'll have many options..... personally, I think it will come down to 2 high character and loyal guys, which are in rare supply in CFB, and the world, in general... Matt Campbell or Luke Fickell. Both have publicly said that there would only be 2 schools they would leave for, Ohio State and ND. Unless the bearcats lose saturday Campbell is the presumptive leader right now because Fickell, unlike Kelly won't bail on his team when there is still a shot of them going to the CFP.... He did the same exact thing with an undefeated Cincinnati team in 2009-10. I don't know but Campbell has done about as much at Iowa State as he can possibly do and next years team there will not be as good. It's the perfect storm for him to make the move and it is closer to his roots in Ohio. I think Fickell would really entertain the opportunity also but the timing is not right. just my 2c worth.
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Brian Kelly was at Notre Dame longer than any coach in the history of the school. I don’t know if that qualifies him as a weasel who left in the middle of the night. I don’t understand how you can be critical of one guy and then compliment two other guys for considering doing the exact same thing Kelly just did .
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Correct he was making around 3 million. LSU is paying him 15 mil a year. Would you weasel out of town in the middle of the night for a 12 million dollar raise? I know I would. Even if he fails in 4 or 5 years he's going to be stupid rich.
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Yeah I don’t get where the OP is coming from.

Kelly hit his ceiling at Notre Dame, so why not take on a new challenge making 5x as much?
 
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Kelly is weird because IMO he's actually underrated as a coach, but he was ND's coach, which you think would lend to a guy being massively overrated.

He's almost certainly overpaid now, but he isn't overrated. Making the playoffs and getting blown out does not mean you are a bad coach. Honestly, the fact he made a BCSNCG and had 2 CFP appearances there is pretty impressive. You can't recruit there like you can other places.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Correct he was making around 3 million. LSU is paying him 15 mil a year. Would you weasel out of town in the middle of the night for a 12 million dollar raise? I know I would. Even if he fails in 4 or 5 years he's going to be stupid rich.
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BK was only making 3 mil at ND?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Correct he was making around 3 million. LSU is paying him 15 mil a year. Would you weasel out of town in the middle of the night for a 12 million dollar raise? I know I would. Even if he fails in 4 or 5 years he's going to be stupid rich.
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Both of those figures are equally ridiculous
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
This was my source. Not entirely sure its accurate

According to USA TODAY Sports, Kelly’s salary at Notre Dame was listed at $2.7 million in the 2019 calendar year. However, his overall income would have been higher as he was permitted to receive compensation from external sources at Notre Dame with written approval.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefocus.news/sports/how-much-does-brian-kelly-make-at-notre-dame/?amp
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Wow, that's ridiculously low for a coach that's made a couple playoff appearances.
 
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05_never_again said:
Kelly is weird because IMO he's actually underrated as a coach, but he was ND's coach, which you think would lend to a guy being massively overrated.

He's almost certainly overpaid now, but he isn't overrated. Making the playoffs and getting blown out does not mean you are a bad coach. Honestly, the fact he made a BCSNCG and had 2 CFP appearances there is pretty impressive. You can't recruit there like you can other places.
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Has Kelly ever beaten a team at ND that didn’t have less talent than they did
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
This was my source. Not entirely sure its accurate

According to USA TODAY Sports, Kelly’s salary at Notre Dame was listed at $2.7 million in the 2019 calendar year. However, his overall income would have been higher as he was permitted to receive compensation from external sources at Notre Dame with written approval.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefocus.news/sports/how-much-does-brian-kelly-make-at-notre-dame/?amp
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Wow, that's ridiculously low for a coach that's made a couple playoff appearances.
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Notre Dame doesn’t disclose his full compensation much like Duke and Coach K
 
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hog88 said:
BK was only making 3 mil at ND?
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His total salary is unknown (private school). His salary from ND was something like $2.9m, but he also has contracts with other sources (Under Armour) that aren't public.

That was a sweet setup for ND - they only had to pay a great coach $3m out of their own pocket and had others pay him as well to get him something presumably close to a market salary. I wonder why other schools don't do that to the same extent.
 
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05_never_again said:
His total salary is unknown (private school). His salary from ND was something like $2.9m, but he also has contracts with other sources (Under Armour) that aren't public.

That was a sweet setup for ND - they only had to pay a great coach $3m out of their own pocket and had others pay him as well to get him something presumably close to a market salary. I wonder why other schools don't do that to the same extent.
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A payment system like that would probably only work at a private school. Public schools that are part of a state’s university system have different rules regarding employee compensation. There is definitely more transparency.
 
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Plecoptera said:
A payment system like that would probably only work at a private school. Public schools that are part of a state’s university system have different rules regarding employee compensation. There is definitely more transparency.
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More transparency yes, but why couldn't think have an arrangement where the school pays the coach $3-4m, and Nike (or whoever the school's apparel contract is with) pays them $3-4m? A public school would likely have to publicly disclose the amount of outside comp, but why couldn't they do it?
 
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05_never_again said:
More transparency yes, but why couldn't think have an arrangement where the school pays the coach $3-4m, and Nike (or whoever the school's apparel contract is with) pays them $3-4m? A public school would likely have to publicly disclose the amount of outside comp, but why couldn't they do it?
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I do think that's the case at many schools. If you look at Hypes contract I think he gets money for his show, from Nike and maybe a couple other sources.
 
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05_never_again said:
More transparency yes, but why couldn't think have an arrangement where the school pays the coach $3-4m, and Nike (or whoever the school's apparel contract is with) pays them $3-4m? A public school would likely have to publicly disclose the amount of outside comp, but why couldn't they do it?
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This is an interesting discussion. I’m sure it could be done at most schools. It wouldn’t be any different than a booster paying part of a contract. Only question would be how many coaches would an apparel company want to significantly invest in.
 
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hog88 said:
I do think that's the case at many schools. If you look at Hypes contract I think he gets money for his show, from Nike and maybe a couple other sources.
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Yeah, but it isn't anywhere near some kind of 50/50 split. The vast majority of it still comes from the school/athletic department. In Kelly's case, I bet a majority of his compensation came from UA.
 
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hog88 said:
BK was only making 3 mil at ND?
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In salary. I don’t think that was half of his total compensation. When his name would pop up in coaching searches, way higher figures in deals and easily achievable bonuses would surface.
 
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05_never_again said:
Kelly is weird because IMO he's actually underrated as a coach, but he was ND's coach, which you think would lend to a guy being massively overrated.

He's almost certainly overpaid now, but he isn't overrated. Making the playoffs and getting blown out does not mean you are a bad coach. Honestly, the fact he made a BCSNCG and had 2 CFP appearances there is pretty impressive. You can't recruit there like you can other places.
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This is the best assessment yet.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
This was my source. Not entirely sure its accurate

According to USA TODAY Sports, Kelly’s salary at Notre Dame was listed at $2.7 million in the 2019 calendar year. However, his overall income would have been higher as he was permitted to receive compensation from external sources at Notre Dame with written approval.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thefocus.news/sports/how-much-does-brian-kelly-make-at-notre-dame/?amp
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Yes, but he also received money directly from UA and the school also “donated” to his LLC. According to some notre dame boards his total compensation was around $7 million a year.
 
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