Who will you vote for?

[McDad]

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[volinbham]

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i don't know the answer anyway

 

[InVOLuntary]

No, they voted for Biden because of the way Trump handled the virus, not because it happened. He repeatedly downplayed and lied to Americans. Supply chain completely unprepared and devastated, just recently recovered. Say what you want about the economy, how's the stock market and your 401k look? I'm seeing over a 20% return over the last year.

More people died under Biden by a long shot and Biden had the vaccine you are so fond of.

 

[McDad]

i don't know the answer anyway

Odd tidbit about yours truly: randomly the Welcome Back Cotter theme song pops into my head and I'm compelled to sing along.

 

[Orangeburst]

Odd tidbit about yours truly: randomly the Welcome Back Cotter theme song pops into my head and I'm compelled to sing along.

I thought it was Kotter? must be Mandela Effect.

 

[McDad]

I thought it was Kotter? must be Mandela Effect.

It is.

 

[Orangeburst]

It is.

you must be subconciously thinking about that cotter pin you forgot to replace on that extremely important piece of machinery you were working on.

 

[volinbham]

Odd tidbit about yours truly: randomly the Welcome Back Cotter theme song pops into my head and I'm compelled to sing along.

your dreams are your ticket out McDad

 

[volinbham]

I thought it was Kotter? must be Mandela Effect.

You're thinking kotter pin

 

[StarRaider]

are we talkin otters? (full disclosure he got the hat from hog)

 

[OrangeTsar]

you mean the part where they don't give all the electors to the winner, but divide them proportionally?

I have always thought that was a much better option. keeps the electors, but gives more representation in a state to the secondary party. would make voting in Red/Blue states mean a lot more.

It is also (while technically constitutional) totally contrary the spirit of the great compromise the EC and equal state representation in the Senate established. Without it, the smaller states would have never ratified the Constitution and the United States as we know it today would never have existed.
To try and tinker without now is a total betrayal of the one compromise that made this nation possible

 

[LittleVol]

Voted as a liberal most of my adult life.
As I've acquired more monetary resources I shifted to Independent.

Trump is the obvious choice.

Elon Musk backs him because Trump is the one with a chance to stop WW3 from escalation.
He accepts Bitcoin and understands the weakness of fiat/dollar system. Bitcoin and others are good for USD and BRICS, and prescious metals.

Yes I believe most of this is by design...
But if it wasn't then you'd have to be absolutely NUTS to vote for Harris. As soon as bomb is dropped in Ohio or North Carolina, Americans will be screaming bloody Mary "how could this happen". Ukraine would be like..."that's just tuesday"
Americans are so out of touch with the world.

I voted for Trump for free. You'd have to pay me $10,000 to vote for Harris.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Voted as a liberal most of my adult life.
As I've acquired more monetary resources I shifted to Independent.

Trump is the obvious choice.

Elon Musk backs him because Trump is the one with a chance to stop WW3 from escalation.
He accepts Bitcoin and understands the weakness of fiat/dollar system. Bitcoin and others are good for USD and BRICS, and prescious metals.

Yes I believe most of this is by design...
But if it wasn't then you'd have to be absolutely NUTS to vote for Harris. As soon as bomb is dropped in Ohio or North Carolina, Americans will be screaming bloody Mary "how could this happen". Ukraine would be like..."that's just tuesday"
Americans are so out of touch with the world.

I voted for Trump for free. You'd have to pay me $10,000 to vote for Harris.

Amen.

 

[Tin Man]

Can we discuss this?
There has been one fiscal year in the last 60+ where spending decreased.
Bet you can figure it out with some thought.

OK, in total dollar expenditures, there were declines from 2009-10, 2011-12 & 12-13. Then again 2021-22 and 2022-23. These are recent. I’ve not looked through the past 60 years. Relatively, these dips have been modest. The most recent ones have come off the Covid-related spike. Significance relative to the growth trend is minimal. Let’s see how expenditures settle out in the coming four years.

Sidebar: Clinton and the Dems raised top rates modestly during his first term. Total revenues exceeded expenditures for a brief period. However, I cry smoke & mirrors! Surpluses in Social Security and Medicare receipts hid structural deficits in other areas of the Federal budget. I note that GHWB called for adjustments to enhance the growth in revenues and wound up facing a challenge within the party during his bid for reelection. Clinton ran with the idea after taking office.

 

[Ashevolle]

You can be super-duper safe and just not vote.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[theFallGuy]

Voted as a liberal most of my adult life.
As I've acquired more monetary resources I shifted to Independent.

Trump is the obvious choice.

Elon Musk backs him because Trump is the one with a chance to stop WW3 from escalation.
He accepts Bitcoin and understands the weakness of fiat/dollar system. Bitcoin and others are good for USD and BRICS, and prescious metals.

Yes I believe most of this is by design...
But if it wasn't then you'd have to be absolutely NUTS to vote for Harris. As soon as bomb is dropped in Ohio or North Carolina, Americans will be screaming bloody Mary "how could this happen". Ukraine would be like..."that's just tuesday"
Americans are so out of touch with the world.

I voted for Trump for free. You'd have to pay me $10,000 to vote for Harris.

Bitcoin is the way

 

[McDad]

OK, in total dollar expenditures, there were declines from 2009-10, 2011-12 & 12-13. Then again 2021-22 and 2022-23. These are recent. I’ve not looked through the past 60 years. Relatively, these dips have been modest. The most recent ones have come off the Covid-related spike. Significance relative to the growth trend is minimal. Let’s see how expenditures settle out in the coming four years.

Sidebar: Clinton and the Dems raised top rates modestly during his first term. Total revenues exceeded expenditures for a brief period. However, I cry smoke & mirrors! Surpluses in Social Security and Medicare receipts hid structural deficits in other areas of the Federal budget. I note that GHWB called for adjustments to enhance the growth in revenues and wound up facing a challenge within the party during his bid for reelection. Clinton ran with the idea after taking office.

Here's my resource. I didn't count the housing bubble and covid because I felt like a reduction was not about political responsibility.

Federal Budget Receipts and Outlays: | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Point is, there is no fiscal responsibility in any party. About the closest we came, very briefly, was the Gov shutdown with Clinton and Gingrich.

It also shows total money collected does not correlate with fluctuating tax rates. Seems counterintuitive but the data are resounding.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

None that I can see. Restructuring the tax code to promote the concentration of wealth in the hands of the few, creating a mismatch in the growth of revenues with the growth in expenditures, and monetizing the resulting deficits is folly. It will not “supercharge the economy to grow us out of the deficit” as was touted by Reagan’s team. The original core principle of modern conservative thought as expressed by Barry Goldwater, fiscal responsibility was thrown out the window by 80s neocons, and the Republican Party has refused to acknowledge this ever since. Barry G advocated for restraint in Federal expenditures, even abandoning some of them. Less is more in a self-governing society of free and equal citizens. If anyone points fingers at Democrats, it’s laughably absurd. They’ve been trying to leverage their way out of social inequities by creating more Federal government since FDR.

As someone who deals with the tax code daily, it is not engineered to promote the concentration of wealth. In fact, quite the opposite. SS, for example, is literally engineered in a way to redistribute wealth from higher incomes to lower earners...

The estate tax is another example

Limiting deductions and credits is another

A 0% tax rate for half the population while wealthy pays 50-55% in some states

The EITC is another form of welfare in the tax code.


Anyone who says that is just repeating a D talking point without examining reality...

 

[Tin Man]

As someone who deals with the tax code daily, it is not engineered to promote the concentration of wealth. In fact, quite the opposite. SS, for example, is literally engineered in a way to redistribute wealth from higher incomes to lower earners...

The estate tax is another example

Limiting deductions and credits is another

A 0% tax rate for half the population while wealthy pays 50-55% in some states

The EITC is another form of welfare in the tax code.


Anyone who says that is just repeating a D talking point without examining reality...

You keep on being you.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

You keep on being you.

Dont worry. Everyone back here hates me anyways....

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I will not be voting. There isn’t a candidate worth voting for.

 

[Vol knight]

Put in my vote for Trump on the 2nd day of early voting in TN.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I will not be voting. There isn’t a candidate worth voting for.

I was going to do the same thing until I wrote you in.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

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Worshack?

 

[tbh]

Worshack?

I think it's Horshack (sp?). However, after hitting some trying times after his stint in Kotter's class, he disappeared into the shadows for a bit and then re-emerged as Rorschach, of "Watchmen" fame.