Who would be on Your list of top 5 worst SEC Football Coaches you've seen?

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notabed22 said:
Croom had one mildly good season and four terrible seasons. Dubose sucked, magically got Alabama a great season and had them prime for a national title run, and then proceeded to be absolutely abysmal... again.
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Any coach that won an SEC Championship automatically doesn't belong on a Top 5 Worst coaches list.
 
#78
#78
Vol4life25 said:
I give him credit.....His team, his OC and his DC. That game would of went that way no matter if Dooley was there or not. I also give Butch credit for the Duke win.
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That's not the way it works. The coach who is acting in the role of HC at gametime, whether in an intrem role or not, gets credit for the win or loss.
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#79
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VolsSportsFan said:
Any coach that won an SEC Championship automatically doesn't belong on a Top 5 Worst coaches list.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but let's not go around pretending that, hypothetically speaking, a coach who wins the SEC in his first year and then proceeds to rattle of six consecutive 0-12 seasons is automatically exempt from being in the conversation regarding worst coaches.
 
#80
#80
notabed22 said:
You're entitled to your opinion, but let's not go around pretending that, hypothetically speaking, a coach who wins the SEC in his first year and then proceeds to rattle of six consecutive 0-12 seasons is automatically exempt from being in the conversation regarding worst coaches.
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How many coaches fit that criteria?
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#81
#81
Absolutely none. Chizik's precipitous fall from grace, following Auburn's national championship season, would be most comparable.
 
#83
#83
easy, no question Dooley will go down as the worst in the history of the SEC. squandered instate recruiting talent, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory TWICE!, ran off all sorts of talent, we could go on and on and on

1. Dooley
2. Shula
3. Goff - one of my personal favs
4. Brad Scott
5. Lou Holtz USC days
 
#85
#85
velovol said:
easy, no question Dooley will go down as the worst in the history of the SEC. squandered instate recruiting talent, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory TWICE!, ran off all sorts of talent, we could go on and on and on

1. Dooley
2. Shula
3. Goff - one of my personal favs
4. Brad Scott
5. Lou Holtz USC days
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I fully understand Vol fans being angry or offended by the course of Tennesee football during Dooley's tenure, but I will have to strongly disagree with your assertion that there is "no question Dooley will go down as the worst in the history of the SEC." With the exception of his SEC record, Dooley does not begin to approach the following "accomplishments" of Bear Bryant's immediate predecessor, Jennings B. Whitworth (1955-1957), at Alabama:

(1) Overall record: 4-24-2 (.166); SEC record: 3-18-1 (.159). See .List of Alabama Crimson Tide head football coaches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

(2) 17 consecutive losses (from 11/13/54-10/20/56), 19 consecutive games without a victory (10/30/54-10/20/56). Included within that streak were back-to-back losses to the Commodes (21-6 and 32-7) and Tennessee (20-0 and 24-0). During that 19-game span, Alabama was shut out NINE times.

(3) For all of the great teams that Alabama has fielded over the years, let us also raise our glasses to the perfect record of the 1955 Crimson Tide, a squad that went 0-10-0 and scored only 48 points all year. A job well done. See Alabama Historical Scores.
 
#86
#86
Witworth is pretty bad so I would say he gets number one and dooley falls into 2or3 deppending on how you want to rank Phillips and Dooley since they were about the same.
 
#89
#89
This question may betray my antiquity as a college football fan (46 years and running), but, for those of you who nominated Joker Phillips, what, in your minds, distinguishes his career as being significantly worse than a litany of other bad coaches at Kentucky? Consider the following data:

Joker Phillips (2010-2012): 13-24-0 (.351) overall; 4-20-0 (.167) SEC. He was definitely trending downward but had only one truly abysmal season, even by Kentucky's standards, which was his last (2-10).

Bill Curry (1990–1996): 26-52-0 (.333) overall; 14-40-0 (.259) SEC. Curry had four 4-win seasons, one 6-win season and one 1-win season, which, ironically, did not get him fired (1994).

John Ray (1969–1972): 10-33-0 (.233) overall; 4-24-0 (.143) SEC. Consistently bad teams were the hallmark of his tenure, including two 2-win and two 3-win seasons.

I just don't see Phillips as leaping to the forefront of other Kentucky coaches who commandeered that program through historically bad periods.
 
#90
#90
Volosaurus rex said:
This question may betray my antiquity as a college football fan (46 years and running), but, for those of you who nominated Joker Phillips, what, in your minds, distinguishes his career as being significantly worse than a litany of other bad coaches at Kentucky? Consider the following data:

Joker Phillips (2010-2012): 13-24-0 (.351) overall; 4-20-0 (.167) SEC. He was definitely trending downward but had only one truly abysmal season, even by Kentucky's standards, which was his last (2-10).

Bill Curry (1990–1996): 26-52-0 (.333) overall; 14-40-0 (.259) SEC. Curry had four 4-win seasons, one 6-win season and one 1-win season, which, ironically, did not get him fired (1994).

John Ray (1969–1972): 10-33-0 (.233) overall; 4-24-0 (.143) SEC. Consistently bad teams were the hallmark of his tenure, including two 2-win and two 3-win seasons.

I just don't see Phillips as leaping to the forefront of other Kentucky coaches who commandeered that program through historically bad periods.
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I dont follow kentucky at all and havent even watched a ut Kentucky game in years thats how irrelevant kentucky is, but werent they decent (for kentucky standards) right before Phillips took over? And much like dooley he got worse? I was putting him in the mix because he and Dooley had pretty much the same records. Like I said previously you could proly get 5 coaches from kentucky alone that are worse than others.
 
#91
#91
I don't follow the blue-bellied boys in pigskinery either so I had to look this up to provide a proper answer to your question. Rich Brooks had an overall record (39-47-0, .453 winning pct) and SEC mark (16-39-0, .291 winning pct) that weren't significantly better than those of Joke Phillips. However, you are correct; his last four teams posted 8- or 7-win seasons and went to four consecutive lower-tier bowls (three Music City Bowl appearances and one Liberty Bowl). So, yes, that is pretty good by Mildcat standards.
 
#92
#92
Volosaurus rex said:
I don't follow the blue-bellied boys in pigskinery either so I had to look this up to provide a proper answer to your question. Rich Brooks had an overall record (39-47-0, .453 winning pct) and SEC mark (16-39-0, .291 winning pct) that weren't significantly better than those of Joke Phillips. However, you are correct; his last four teams posted 8- or 7-win seasons and went to four consecutive lower-tier bowls (three Music City Bowl appearances and one Liberty Bowl). So, yes, that is pretty good by Mildcat standards.
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That's what I was thinking. So Phillips took over after Proly one of Kentucky's best stretch of football in decades and ran it into the ground. I think that's where he gets all the hate from, much like dooley
 
#93
#93
Turning now to our instate rivals, how do you truthfully determine who was the worst Vanderbilt coach of the modern era? Consider the records of the following coaches, all of whom would be worthy nominees, based solely on their tenures at Vanderbilt:

Fred Pancoast (1975–1978), overall: 13-31-0 (.295); SEC: 2-22-0 (.083)

George MacIntyre (1979–1985), overall: 25-52-1 (.327); SEC: 8-33-1 (.202)

Watson Brown (1986–1990), overall: 10-45-0 (.182); SEC: 4-29-0 (.121)

Rod Dowhower (1995–1996), overall: 4-18-0 (.182); SEC: 1-15-0 (.063)

Woody Widenhofer (1997–2001), overall: 15-40-0 (.273);
SEC: 4-36-0 (.100)

Bobby Johnson (2002–2009), overall: 29-66-0 (.305); SEC: 12-52-0 (.188).

Such a steller group of bottom feeders. Again, I understand the animosity toward Dooley, but, based purely on results, is there really a single coach in that group that you would prefer over Dooley?

Before you answer that question, I am talking about a head-to-head comparison based only on their onfield records in the SEC, without taking into consideration prior head coaching experience, differences in expectations, facilities or overall talent inherited, just wins and losses during their respective tenures.
 
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#94
#94
Well Bobby Johnson won twelve SEC games so that's 3x more than Dooley won. Maybe him?
That's what makes this so tuff though is there are Sooooooo many factors that go into this other than purely record.
You have shown with Kentucky and vandy both that you can get 5 terrible coaches from those schools alone. Not to mention ole miss and miss st.
I think worse coach should be somebody that took a program that had been good within 5 years of their taking over and drove it into the dirt.
Someone like a witworth or Dooley or even a kiffin, although his time was short looking at what he has done at usc I don't think he would have done very good in the SEC.
 
#95
#95
ProfessorD said:
I dont follow kentucky at all and havent even watched a ut Kentucky game in years thats how irrelevant kentucky is, but werent they decent (for kentucky standards) right before Phillips took over? And much like dooley he got worse? I was putting him in the mix because he and Dooley had pretty much the same records. Like I said previously you could proly get 5 coaches from kentucky alone that are worse than others.
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They had two 8 wins seasons in a row before Joker Phillips took over
 
#99
#99
Volosaurus rex said:
This question may betray my antiquity as a college football fan (46 years and running), but, for those of you who nominated Joker Phillips, what, in your minds, distinguishes his career as being significantly worse than a litany of other bad coaches at Kentucky?
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I was gonna post exactly this thought. Imo, Dooley was the worse compared to Joker. Simply because Joker took a historically terrible program experiencing a couple good years and drove them back into the ground. Dooley should have had a lot more to work with at a place like UT, which has never been as bad as UK.

Vandy coaches in the last two or three decades have been bad as well.
 
#100
#100
"Should have" is the operative word. In our collective rush to pile on Dooley, a lot of us continue to ignore the fact that he inherited a roster that numerically was missing nearly an entire recruiting class, due to the attrition associated with the Fulmer-Kiffin-Dooley revolving door. Kiffin, in my opinion, was probably responsible for the lion's share of this problem.

Even Johnny Majors said that Dooley probably inherited a worse mess than he did in 1977, when he issued his famous "the-cupboard-is-bare" proclamation. Dooley essentially had to fill in a crater with pseudo-SEC caliber bodies before he could begin to contend with the big boys in the conference. Obviously, ingame management, poor motivational/leadership skills, failure to properly utilize instate recruiting resources, hiring of Sal Sunseri, etc. are entirely Dooley's responsibility. However, in a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" world, far too many people forget exactly what Dooley inherited.
 
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