Whose ready for some new states?

[0nelilreb]

Imagine actually quoting Socrates about democracy in 2020.

Imagine not listening to history lessons of the past in 2020 . I guess we will never learn if we haven’t before now .

 

[1972 Grad]

Why would teh Ricans want to be a state? Right now they get almost all of the benefits of statehood without paying the bill.

I say we kick out Alaska and Hawaii, and go back to 48 contiguous. Why would a land mass, sitting out in the middle of nowhere, be a part of a country?

 

[PointGuard]

They’ve always voted it down but it doesn’t stop liberals from telling the natives what they “really want”

You mean like the righties want to tell women what they must do with their bodies? Or Republican Senators that they can not hear witnesses in an impeachment trial or Dotard will sh!t on their reelection campaign?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You mean like the righties want to tell women what they must do with their bodies? Or Republican Senators that they can not hear witnesses in an impeachment trial or Dotard will sh!t on their reelection campaign?

yes sometimes you have to tell people it's not right to murder, and no one except those obsessed with political tribalism cares about faux political "trials" based on Russian FB memes

 

[happy-go_vol]

Best scene in caddyshack! Comedic gold.

Im surprised you watched it, being such a snowflake

 

[happy-go_vol]

You mean like the righties want to tell women what they must do with their bodies? Or Republican Senators that they can not hear witnesses in an impeachment trial or Dotard will sh!t on their reelection campaign?

Seriously? Your defending the murder of unborn babies. You understand that that body of an unborn baby has its own sets of genes, dna. It's a Seperate human.

 

[volinbham]

It ain't that hard for DC and Puerto Rico. MAGA!

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

more of that "standing on principle rather than political power grabbing" I see

 

[AirVol]

Totally ignorant comment.

It's unbelievable that people like you exist.

Someone should’ve used a condom.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Less than 50% of the population controls 82% of the Senate. Fundamentally why we're in the mess we are. Full steam ahead with some more states.

Lol. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. Seems like this issue you are talking about didn’t come up under either Bush, killer Clinton or Obozo. Just now because Trump. I mean your chosen party continues to show how truly stupid stupid can be.

 

[evillawyer]

more of that "standing on principle rather than political power grabbing" I see

If by standing on principle you mean following procedures laid out in the constitution for the admission of new states into the union, then yes.

I've been told repeatedly on here that in addition to people, LAND MATTERS, which is why we need to maintain the EC and continue to have each State, no matter how small its population, represented by two senators. The mountains and beaches of Puerto Rico and the concrete jungle of DC have unfairly been denied their right to have their dirt, rocks, sand, water and concrete represented in the Senate. Time to change that. You don't believe that some land and dirt under US control should get senators while other pieces of land don't, do you?

 

[volinbham]

As I've continually been told, states/land masses matter and should have a voice as well, regardless of the fact that states like wyoming have fewer people than my neighborhood.

Somebody never took a Civics class I see

 

[evillawyer]

Lol. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. Seems like this issue you are talking about didn’t come up under either Bush, killer Clinton or Obozo. Just now because Trump. I mean your chosen party continues to show how truly stupid stupid can be.

And the constitution allows for the creation of new states that are not currently part of an existing state by simple congressional action. Let's do this.

 

[volinbham]

If by standing on principle you mean following procedures laid out in the constitution for the admission of new states into the union, then yes.

I've been told repeatedly on here that in addition to people, LAND MATTERS, which is why we need to maintain the EC and continue to have each State, no matter how small its population, represented by two senators. The mountains and beaches of Puerto Rico and the concrete jungle of DC have unfairly been denied their right to have their dirt, rocks, sand, water and concrete represented in the Senate. Time to change that. You don't believe that some land and dirt under US control should get senators while other pieces of land don't, do you?

I can only hope this is trolling.

why is it so hard to admit you seek power for your team and will adopt any position to justify it? not saying it's different for partisan righties but the feigned claimed to nobel motives is tiresome and borderline psychotic

 

[evillawyer]

Somebody never took a Civics class I see

What am I missing? Senate representation is based on the existence of a geographically-bounded state (regardless of population), while representation in the house is based on population. Do you think it's fair that we have rock and sand under US control that's not represented in the Senate?

 

[alexbond45]

I’m actually ok with PR being a state - they practically already are in a few ways, and I question the notion from some that it would be this full blue state....but DC should never be a state unless an amendment is passed allowing it. DC’s purpose is not to be a state, it’s meant to be a district for our federal government to operate in.

Said amendment would never be ratified.

 

[volinbham]

What am I missing? Senate representation is based on the existence of a geographically-bounded state (regardless of population), while representation in the house is based on population. Do you think it's fair that we have rock and sand under US control that's not represented in the Senate?

they are not States. The Constitution doesn't say we can't have territories, protectorates or other forms of "control". It does say that representation is afforded to States. The could become States (though I understand there may be some issues with doing it with D.C. Constitutionally).

of course you know this already.

 

[golfballs]

How can Dems seriously pretend that it’s Republicans who are destroying our norms? Wanting to abolish the electoral college, pack the SCOTUS, add more seats to the senate, etc, just because they don’t like the President and Senate doing what their constitutional duties demand that they do? Insane

Keep in mind when the shoe is on the other foot and now Republicans are in charge and can appoint 30 SCOTUS judges, they’ll want to change the rules again and cry that Republicans are escalating divisiveness in politics.

 

[0nelilreb]

How can Dems seriously pretend that it’s Republicans who are destroying our norms? Wanting to abolish the electoral college, pack the SCOTUS, add more seats to the senate, etc, just because they don’t like the President and Senate doing what their constitutional duties demand that they do? Insane

That last word “ Insane “, they have been this way since 2016 because someone they hate is doing something they can’t stop ( again ) and it drives them insane thinking about it .

 

[Rifleman]

It ain't that hard for DC and Puerto Rico. MAGA!

"New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

Slow it down a little, Clark.

1) this will likely never happen
2) living in D.C. is by choice
3) Puerto Rico has been not warm to the idea of statehood, but a clearly stated referendum is on the ballot this Fall so we'll see
4) Puerto Ricans moving to Florida is a far better political outcome for Democrats than statehood and Trump has done more for that effort than anyone could have ever imagined - I doubt Biden wins (Florida was almost 10 points to the right of the nation in its 2018 races) but if Biden does win Florida the Puerto Rican migration is a huge part of it

 

[rekinhavoc]

Let's split up California , Colorado, Illinois, and other states first.

 

[NorthDallas40]

As I've continually been told, states/land masses matter and should have a voice as well, regardless of the fact that states like wyoming have fewer people than my neighborhood.

I don’t recall anybody advocating for their empty land to be allocated a vote other than you using that BS context sister. I can remember bunches pointing out that the STATE which all that land lies within, has self governing legislative powers, and certain individual rights as having a voice though. Which is exactly how our government was set up in recognizing.

 

[BreatheUT]

All these things that are coming to light, admitting new states, abolishing the electoral college, and packing the high court, are things the progressive movement is going to push whether or not the Republicans confirm Trump's nominee.

This is the inevitable evolution of the progressive utopia. It's an ideology that never quenches its thirst. It's a common sense argument for a thoughtful mind that Mark Levin so eloquently describes in his 2012 book, Ameritopia. In his book he opens with:

"Tyranny, broadly defined, is the use of power to dehumanize the individual and delegitimize his nature. Political utopianism is tyranny diguised as a desirable, workable, and even paradisiacal governing ideology. They are, of course, unlimited utopian constructs, for the mind is capable of infinite fantasies. But there are common themes. The fantasies take the form of grand social plans or experiments, the impracticability and impossibility of which, in small ways and large, leads to the individual's subjagation."​

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It is easy to argue that following any idea in and of itself could be considered indoctrination but the true genius behind our constitution is liberty and freedom, and the rights it gives us from a government takeover of our lives. Big government and rigging the system to render it useless is veiled tyranny (mail in voting, unfettered immigration, increase in government size, threats adding states due to nothing other than political power, threats of adding supreme court seats for political power and activism instead of winning on ideas, etc).

It's why we have three branches of government. The idea of checks and balances. A constitutional republic instead of a true democracy. A separation of roles and responsibilities of the House and the Senate. All of these things were designed for specific purposes. The founders were thoughful in not sculpting a nation that could easy fall into the hands of tyranny.

 

[BreatheUT]

You mean like the righties want to tell women what they must do with their bodies? Or Republican Senators that they can not hear witnesses in an impeachment trial or Dotard will sh!t on their reelection campaign?

The scope of your knowledge is very limited but that's ok. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Like a Baby Ruth in a swimming pool.

Drain the pool, Carl's on it.

 

[PointGuard]

Seriously? Your defending the murder of unborn babies. You understand that that body of an unborn baby has its own sets of genes, dna. It's a Seperate human.

I’m not defending the murder of anyone