Why Are't We Seeing Washpun More?

[King Webbsticles]

as far as how many we have next year...golden, wes, and stanton no freshman will come in and beat all 3 out. the following year landry will be here as well and he is supposed to be a stud.

This is what I said earlier. Stanton will likely take Washpun's minutes. If CCM looks into a JUCO (not freshman) PG, it spells out how much he thinks Washpun will contribute to this team.

 

[Tenn Ted]

I thought Washpun might come on with a little playing time. Too Bad.

As for Miller, we got so many better guys at post, it's not funny. No way he is going to play ahead of Mayman, Stokes, Hall or Woolridge at this point. And I personally would rather see Yemi coming in off the bench as the fifth. I think he could be a stud someday! He just needs some playing time and some polishing up of some skills. I love his intensity! As he ever cracked a smile on the court? You can already tell he's pretty special as rough as he is. Not a Stokes, but I think he could be better than Hall, by his Senior year. Don't get me wrong, I like Hall this year. I think he is playing pretty hard. CCM seems to be getting it out of him. Something Pearl wasn't able to do.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

This is what I said earlier. Stanton will likely take Washpun's minutes. If CCM looks into a JUCO (not freshman) PG, it spells out how much he thinks Washpun will contribute to this team.

washpun no longer has minutes so unless someone is beating out golden i dont really see the point in it. ccm doesnt play 10 people it is 8 people getting most of the minutes and 9 usually playing most nights. the early part of this year was him trying to figure out his rotation, now that conference has started you will see the rotation he envisions. unless cuonzo can pull a big time juco pg in here i just dont see the point, and since we arent recruiting any i dont see this happening.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I thought Washpun might come on with a little playing time. Too Bad.

As for Miller, we got so many better guys at post, it's not funny. No way he is going to play ahead of Mayman, Stokes, Hall or Woolridge at this point. And I personally would rather see Yemi coming in off the bench as the fifth. I think he could be a stud someday! He just needs some playing time and some polishing up of some skills. I love his intensity! As he ever cracked a smile on the court? You can already tell he's pretty special as rough as he is. Not a Stokes, but I think he could be better than Hall, by his Senior year. Don't get me wrong, I like Hall this year. I think he is playing pretty hard. CCM seems to be getting it out of him. Something Pearl wasn't able to do.

if ccm had any idea that stokes was coming to tennesse you can bet on it that miller would not have been offered a scholarship here.

as far as yemi i agree 100%

 

[King Webbsticles]

washpun no longer has minutes so unless someone is beating out golden i dont really see the point in it. ccm doesnt play 10 people it is 8 people getting most of the minutes and 9 usually playing most nights. the early part of this year was him trying to figure out his rotation, now that conference has started you will see the rotation he envisions. unless cuonzo can pull a big time juco pg in here i just dont see the point, and since we arent recruiting any i dont see this happening.

Washpun no longer has minutes because he was God-awful against Florida.

We have to have someone who is capable of running the point when Trae Golden goes out of the game. We shouldn't have to move a SG like Richardson or McRae to do that.

And just because we aren't in on a JUCO PG now doesn't mean we won't be. JUCO players are usually evaluated after the seasons are over.

We didn't sign Melvin Goins until the end of March. Bobby Maze didn't commit until May. If CCM feels we need a PG, he will go out and get one.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Washpun no longer has minutes because he was God-awful against Florida.

We have to have someone who is capable of running the point when Trae Golden goes out of the game. We shouldn't have to move a SG like Richardson or McRae to do that.

And just because we aren't in on a JUCO PG now doesn't mean we won't be. JUCO players are usually evaluated after the seasons are over.

We didn't sign Melvin Goins until the end of March. Bobby Maze didn't commit until May. If CCM feels we need a PG, he will go out and get one.

he'll go get a juco pg with that scholarship that he has in his pocket right? you have to have a scholarship to offer to someone that you are recruiting they dont just come in on good will. washpuns minutes got cut for 2 reason: a. as you said he wasnt very good and b. cuonzo had stated the rotation is getting cut down to 9 when conference play came, wes was the easiest minutes to cut.

even if we had a scholarship there is no point in stressing on bringing in an average pg to play 8 minutes a game when golden is out of the game. that is an absolute waste of a scholarship you bring in people that you actually are planning on using at some point in your program.

 

[King Webbsticles]

he'll go get a juco pg with that scholarship that he has in his pocket right? you have to have a scholarship to offer to someone that you are recruiting they dont just come in on good will. washpuns minutes got cut for 2 reason: a. as you said he wasnt very good and b. cuonzo had stated the rotation is getting cut down to 9 when conference play came, wes was the easiest minutes to cut.

even if we had a scholarship there is no point in stressing on bringing in an average pg to play 8 minutes a game when golden is out of the game. that is an absolute waste of a scholarship you bring in people that you actually are planning on using at some point in your program.

Like I have stated before, it wouldn't surprise me if Miller isn't back next season. There is no reason to keep him on scholarship when he can't contribute.

And don't kid yourself, if Washpun had shown he could be a viable backup his minutes would not have been touched. It isn't a waste of scholarship to have a backup PG. Better that than trusting someone like McRae to run our offense, or Tatum.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Like I have stated before, it wouldn't surprise me if Miller isn't back next season. There is no reason to keep him on scholarship when he can't contribute.

And don't kid yourself, if Washpun had shown he could be a viable backup his minutes would not have been touched. It isn't a waste of scholarship to have a backup PG. Better that than trusting someone like McRae to run our offense, or Tatum.

yes it wouldnt surprise you if miller isnt back it wouldnt surprise anybody, but that doesnt mean he is going to leave and if he doesnt we dont have a scholarship so this is all hypothetical.

I dont know that i believe that about washpun, if his 8 minutes were just a little better i dont think it really matters. ccm doesnt want to play that many players(golden, washpun, richardson, mcbee, tatum, mcrae, stokes, maymon, hall, woolridge)atleast one of these guys had to go, washpun was the easiest as his minutes were minimal. ccm really likes washpun and thinks he has a bright future he, he will not bring some other pg in next year bank on that.

 

[King Webbsticles]

yes it wouldnt surprise you if miller isnt back it wouldnt surprise anybody, but that doesnt mean he is going to leave and if he doesnt we dont have a scholarship so this is all hypothetical.

I dont know that i believe that about washpun, if his 8 minutes were just a little better i dont think it really matters. ccm doesnt want to play that many players(golden, washpun, richardson, mcbee, tatum, mcrae, stokes, maymon, hall, woolridge)atleast one of these guys had to go, washpun was the easiest as his minutes were minimal. ccm really likes washpun and thinks he has a bright future he, he will not bring some other pg in next year bank on that.

It does if he is told by the coaches to not return next year.


So no matter how Washpun had performed, CCM would ideally want a non-PG to backup Golden. I just don't see that. You can see how valuable a PG is to winning basketball. CCM will bring in another PG if he thinks it is needed. Bank on that.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It does if he is told by the coaches to not return next year.


So no matter how Washpun had performed, CCM would ideally want a non-PG to backup Golden. I just don't see that. You can see how valuable a PG is to winning basketball. CCM will bring in another PG if he thinks it is needed. Bank on that.

ok would you like to make a wager as to whether or not we will see another scholarship used on a pg next year?

 

[calban]

ok would you like to make a wager as to whether or not we will see another scholarship used on a pg next year?

Next year's PG is already on the squad.
His name is Stanton.
Book it.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Next year's PG is already on the squad.
His name is Stanton.
Book it.

that is my point. between golden, wes and stanton for the next year, and all 3 plus landry for the following year bringing in another pg is absurd. you dont have 4 pg's on scholarship that is just retarded.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It does if he is told by the coaches to not return next year.


So no matter how Washpun had performed, I just don't see that. You can see how valuable a CCM would ideally want a non-PG to backup Golden.PG is to winning basketball. CCM will bring in another PG if he thinks it is needed. Bank on that.

did you watch missouri state play at all out of curiousity? this is how martin plays, its how he coached his team last year they had their pg and 2 other starting guards. when the pg went to the bench one of the other guards handled the ball for the 9 or 10 minutes he was out. The only 3 guys off the bench that played in most wings were all wings and posts, not guards.

 

[King Webbsticles]

did you watch missouri state play at all out of curiousity? this is how martin plays, its how he coached his team last year they had their pg and 2 other starting guards. when the pg went to the bench one of the other guards handled the ball for the 9 or 10 minutes he was out. The only 3 guys off the bench that played in most wings were all wings and posts, not guards.

When you have reliable ballhandlers it isn't a problem. Our second most reliable ballhandler is Maymon.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

When you have reliable ballhandlers it isn't a problem. Our second most reliable ballhandler is Maymon.

im not going to argue that point it is true, but at this point i dont really see the issue. do you attribute any of the losses so far this year to not having a true pg to back up golden? i dont. that is why with stanton being here to provide a solid back up next year, and wes behind him it would really not be smart to bring in another pg. this is of course assuming that we get ancother scholarship and that we turn down a stud athlete in mitchell who we could desperately use all so we can sign a 3rd string juco pg to back up a walk-on. makes perfect sense.

 

[King Webbsticles]

im not going to argue that point it is true, but at this point i dont really see the issue. do you attribute any of the losses so far this year to not having a true pg to back up golden? i dont. that is why with stanton being here to provide a solid back up next year, and wes behind him it would really not be smart to bring in another pg. this is of course assuming that we get ancother scholarship and that we turn down a stud athlete in mitchell who we could desperately use all so we can sign a 3rd string juco pg to back up a walk-on. makes perfect sense.

It doesn't help when Golden goes out and our offense goes stagnant. It has occurred a few times this year.

Stanton is CCM's attempt to get a backup PG without using a scholly. Stanton is essentially taking Washpun's role on this team. This same theme rings true: CCM doesn't feel as if Washpun can contribute to this team.


Are you suggesting that Mitchell wants to be here but we are turning him away because of lack of scholarships? If Mitchell wants to come, CCM will tell Miller to start looking at schools.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It doesn't help when Golden goes out and our offense goes stagnant. It has occurred a few times this year.

Stanton is CCM's attempt to get a backup PG without using a scholly. Stanton is essentially taking Washpun's role on this team. This same theme rings true: CCM doesn't feel as if Washpun can contribute to this team.


Are you suggesting that Mitchell wants to be here but we are turning him away because of lack of scholarships? If Mitchell wants to come, CCM will tell Miller to start looking at schools.

it has happened that is true but i dont think you can point to any game and say oh if we had a decent backup we win this game. ccm is fine with richardson handling the ball, and probably will be with edwards when he is here next year as well. ccm knew that wes and yemi both are projects that fact we have gotten what we have i think surprises anybody that knows anything about basketball. as far as mitchell goes, nobody really knows where he wants to go but he makes it sound like we have as good a chance as anybody so if thats the case your damn right miller isnt here next year. so now where is your scholarship coming from that you want to sign this pg with?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It doesn't help when Golden goes out and our offense goes stagnant. It has occurred a few times this year.

Stanton is CCM's attempt to get a backup PG without using a scholly. Stanton is essentially taking Washpun's role on this team. This same theme rings true: CCM doesn't feel as if Washpun can contribute to this team.


Are you suggesting that Mitchell wants to be here but we are turning him away because of lack of scholarships? If Mitchell wants to come, CCM will tell Miller to start looking at schools.

i cant say too much about stanton because i have never seen the play kid in hs or in college, but according to those that know him this kid is an all-sec caliber point guard and will actually knock golden out of the starting role and move him to the 2. there would be your solution right there, but im assuming you dont think stanton is this good?

 

[King Webbsticles]

it has happened that is true but i dont think you can point to any game and say oh if we had a decent backup we win this game. ccm is fine with richardson handling the ball, and probably will be with edwards when he is here next year as well. ccm knew that wes and yemi both are projects that fact we have gotten what we have i think surprises anybody that knows anything about basketball. as far as mitchell goes, nobody really knows where he wants to go but he makes it sound like we have as good a chance as anybody so if thats the case your damn right miller isnt here next year. so now where is your scholarship coming from that you want to sign this pg with?

5 more points a game when your PG is out can win/lose a game.

Yemi has surprised everyone with his abilities. Wes has been a disappointment.


If that is the case with Mitchell, you tell Washpun to pack his bags and find another school. If you can get any player, not just a PG, that you think will contribute more than him, you do it. This team can't afford to cherry pick talent right now.

 

[King Webbsticles]

i cant say too much about stanton because i have never seen the play kid in hs or in college, but according to those that know him this kid is an all-sec caliber point guard and will actually knock golden out of the starting role and move him to the 2. there would be your solution right there, but im assuming you dont think stanton is this good?

He isn't All-SEC caliber. He hasn't been a great shooter or passer in his time at Clemson. He could be a serviceable back up PG. Don't expect him to come in a be the starter in a year.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

5 more points a game when your PG is out can win/lose a game.

Yemi has surprised everyone with his abilities. Wes has been a disappointment.


If that is the case with Mitchell, you tell Washpun to pack his bags and find another school. If you can get any player, not just a PG, that you think will contribute more than him, you do it. This team can't afford to cherry pick talent right now.

richardson provides a few points not what you are probably looking for though. i dont think wes has been a dissapointment, if you were expecting anything from him this year that is your fault. you cant start just telling people to pack their bags left and right. miller is one thing but if ccm starts sending recruits packing that he just brought in you can kiss the trust of top level recruits goodbye.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He isn't All-SEC caliber. He hasn't been a great shooter or passer in his time at Clemson. He could be a serviceable back up PG. Don't expect him to come in a be the starter in a year.

i dont know what to expect, multiple people that have seen him though think he is that guy. ccm spoke very highly of him as well, if stanton is an upgrade over wes and is a serviceable back up then WHY would you want to waste a scholly on a juco pg that will do the exact same thing.

 

[King Webbsticles]

richardson provides a few points not what you are probably looking for though. i dont think wes has been a dissapointment, if you were expecting anything from him this year that is your fault. you cant start just telling people to pack their bags left and right. miller is one thing but if ccm starts sending recruits packing that he just brought in you can kiss the trust of top level recruits goodbye.

I'm sorry I was expecting a PG to be able to dribble down the court without turning it over. Washpun can't do that.

And recruits get told to look elsewhere more than you think.

i dont know what to expect, multiple people that have seen him though think he is that guy. ccm spoke very highly of him as well, if stanton is an upgrade over wes and is a serviceable back up then WHY would you want to waste a scholly on a juco pg that will do the exact same thing.

If Stanton can provide a decent backup role, we don't need to look for another one. That's a big IF.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm sorry I was expecting a PG to be able to dribble down the court without turning it over. Washpun can't do that.

And recruits get told to look elsewhere more than you think.




If Stanton can provide a decent backup role, we don't need to look for another one. That's a big IF.

washpun lacks in some area's such as ball handling you are right, but his athleticism is far better than most pg coming out of high school. yes recruits get told to look elsewhere, not commits that the first year coach brought it to help rebuild a program, washpun will not be told to look elsewhere.

now your changing your tune about needing a pg next year with the talk of stanton??? before you were adament about needing to bring in another pg. you dont have the luxury of waiting till after the year has started to decide just how effective stanton can be.

 

[johnnybravo]

Personally I don't think Miller or Washpun will be back next year. Miller is just in a position where he won't be used cause to much talent in front of him. Washpun was taken because of desperation with having only one pg. He is not an SEC pg at all. Not sure you can teach your primary ball handler how to dribble the ball going into his Soph. year.

Just think that after getting his feet wet a bit, CCM will be on some better recruits than what he had to take in his short time of recruiting after he took the job. They had their chance, if they do not develop or CCM thinks that they will probably not be serviceable, then he will probably cut then. Happens all the time.

The stud JUCO pg that could possibly come in could be Chris Jones. That would put Golden at the 2.