Why did Jerry Green retire?

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VolsSportsFan said:
You called him a great coach; what he did here was good, but he also had a loaded roster thanks to O'Neil. His recruiting sucked, and if you watched his last season, he was losing control of that team game by game.

He had good results, but he was not a great coach by any means.
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His recruiting sucked? LOL He closed the deal on Tony Harris, and he brought in Slay and Yarbrough.

"If you watched his last season, he was losing control of that team" - you could have made the same statement about Pearl.

Don't know why you have a hate-on for Green - maybe you're a big fan of the NIT.
 
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keckjm said:
You don't run off coaches who get you to 4 consecutive NCAA tourneys just because you don't like him or her. If that were true, which it very well maybe in this case, then we deserve to have the Buzz and Conzo ball here. I've personally had lunch with Buzz before and let me tell you he can't be much better. His arrogance was sickening and he was a piss poor basketball coach. There's a lot of a**holes in this world, go into the medical field and deal with Drs and PhD people and you will really meet some winners, but at the end of the day the final product delivered is all that matters. It's no fun come march when UT is in the NIT or sitting at home, just like it's no fun to watch football bowl games when UT is 5-7 and sitting at home. UT needs to be about winning ball games, while doing it with as much class and integrity as possible. I'd take Green and his a** of a personality over Conzo and his boring basketball any day of the week, because come March at least I had my Vols to cheer for in the NCAA tourney.
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Green was a decent coach but very average at best. He won for the most part on talent alone (and it was talent that he didn't necessarily assemble). His pretty much lost complete control of his team. They didn't listen to him and basically did their own thing a lot of the time. They blew a good lead in a Sweet 16 tournament game vs UNC and lost because the team was doing its own thing. We had a good path to the Final Four that year, but just didn't close the deal. If that team had been coached well, it could have had a shot at going all the way.

At some point he made some snide comment about our fans could go to Kmart if they didn't like the way he coached or some such as that. I believe both the fans and the administration wanted him gone toward the end.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Just curious. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I must of missed it. He went on to Indiana to be the Director of Operations after making 4 straight tournaments.

"This ends an emotional time for me because I have never before left where I felt that my work was incomplete. Even though I feel optimistic about the prospects for next season, I believe that in the best interests of myself and the university, it is time for a change."

Health related? Tired of being here? What happend?
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Fans started going to the K Mart and Wal Mart. Take your pick.
 
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vols 30 said:
Jerry had no control over the team, mainly tony Harris.
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yeah That player still bothers me of bust bust bust! When he was a senior in High school. Most recruiting rankings had him rated #1 or #2 point guard in the country. While he had moments to show his incredible gift. Jerry Green let him just tank his future by not disciplining him like at all. Btw the other point guard he was rated as good as was Baron Davis. One of them made it.
 
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Green fell ass backwards into a golden opportunity because of what O'Neill had built for him. I've heard former players who played under him criticize how clueless he was when they were there. One was Brandon Wharton.

Green was an average coach at best. His best coaching strategy was to roll the ball out and let the boys play. Luckily for him, he won more than he lost because of the superior talent that he had over most teams because O'Neill had recruited his ass off.
 
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It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
 
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TroyCG said:
It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
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Lol.

Otis inherited a team loaded with elite talent and ran it into the ground
 
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TroyCG said:
It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
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You're clueless.
 
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TroyCG said:
It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
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Greens best teams as mentioned earlier were thanks to O'neills recruiting. While Buzz Peterson left a NBA player and one of most prolific 3 point shooters NCAA has ever seen. the rest of team was so average at best. Green tells us to go to KMart and Pearl sent players into the stands to thank us for coming. Huge difference into which coach I am going to root for.
 
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TroyCG said:
Really?! Green's record was stellar. Misrepresent his tenure all you want...
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You and Otis must have been drinking buddies.

You really shouldn't have kept him held up in the bar during his recruiting weekends.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You're clueless.
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I like O'Neill, but he woulda had those guys playing Gene Hackman Offense...Green took those guys, added some himself, and was more successful than any coach here except Pearl. His record speaks for itself. College players don't make it far into the NCAA tournament all on their own.

Call me names all you want, pal...
 
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TroyCG said:
Really?! Green's record was stellar. Misrepresent his tenure all you want...
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Why don't you ask the players that played under him what they thought of him? A number of them thought he was clueless. You're misrepresenting that.
 
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BruinVol said:
You and Otis must have been drinking buddies.

You really shouldn't have kept him held up in the bar during his recruiting weekends.
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Folks like you and Oranj Balls are why I don't post very often. Anybody who disagree with you gets ridiculed rather than intelligent commentary supported by the facts.

Green's teams were fun to watch, in my opinion...and they won a lot of games.
 
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TroyCG said:
I like O'Neill, but he woulda had those guys playing Gene Hackman Offense...Green took those guys, added some himself, and was more successful than any coach here except Pearl. His record speaks for itself. College players don't make it far into the NCAA tournament all on their own.

Call me names all you want, pal...
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I'm not calling you names. You're just ignorant to what kind of coach that Green was. If he was that damn good, he would have had people beating down his door after the 4 year run at UT. Where did he go? Nowhere. Because people in the know knew he was clueless.

Anyone that knows the game knew that Green got to taste the spoils of what O'Neill gave him. I wish Isiah Victor still posted here. He could tell you himself what kind of coach Green was. A number of players have spoke about how clueless Green was a number of times. If that isn't an indictment on his coaching acumen, then I don't know what is.
 
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TroyCG said:
Green's teams were fun to watch, in my opinion...and they won a lot of games.
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They were out of control, showed no discipline, and many times embarrassed their university.

True story: saw a number of the starters out in a Charlotte bar before our second rd NCAA tourney game against Missouri state at 2am

We played early the next day if you call it playing

He had zero control of his program
 
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TroyCG said:
Folks like you and Oranj Balls are why I don't post very often. Anybody who disagree with you gets ridiculed rather than intelligent commentary supported by the facts.

Green's teams were fun to watch, in my opinion...and they won a lot of games.
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Then post what you know. I'll go with the players who personally played under him. A number of them have said that they wish Pearl was around when they were on campus. Green was an average coach at best that fell ass backwards into O'Neill's hard work.
 
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TroyCG said:
Check it out:
Rick Barnes Series Leftovers: The Odd Case of Jerry Green | www.ajc.com
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Check it out:

Packer: Harris wishes Pearl had been at UT sooner : govolsxtra.com

"Finally they told us that some guy named Jerry Green from Oregon was taking the job. I'll never forget the press conference in the Ray Mears room to introduce him. I roomed with Brandon Wharton for four years and he told me that he knew Jerry Green from somewhere. When coach got up there in front of the media, Brandon turned to me and said, 'I know where I've seen him.' He said that Green was on a follies and bloopers tape he had in our room.

"So, we went back to the room and put the tape in of Green's press conference when he took over the job at Oregon. He was at the podium talking about how he wanted it to be a place where players' children's children would come play, and their children's children. He wanted them to be proud of the University of . He couldn't remember the name of the school he was at. Somebody next to him whispered, Oregon, and he continued. We couldn't believe that that was the best person they could find for us.

"Then the first time he talked to the team, he told us that if he couldn't get the job done in four years, he would just take the contract buyout money and go fish in North Carolina. He told us that the first time we met him. From the start he wasn't committed to us.
 
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"Green won 71 percent of his games at Tennessee, made the tournament in each of his four seasons, and had one Sweet 16 trip."

O'Neill walked out on UT; Peterson and Houston ran the program into the ground; Pearl cheated (which was ticky-tack) but then lied to the NCAA and embarrassed himself and the University; Martin can't get us to the NCAA Tourney......but Jerry Green gets the most criticism from so many Vol Fans.

You have the right to your views, but I disagree. And I would welcome that level of success again.
 
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TroyCG said:
"Green won 71 percent of his games at Tennessee, made the tournament in each of his four seasons, and had one Sweet 16 trip."

O'Neill walked out on UT; Peterson and Houston ran the program into the ground; Pearl cheated (which was ticky-tack) but then lied to the NCAA and embarrassed himself and the University; Martin can't get us to the NCAA Tourney......but Jerry Green gets the most criticism from so many Vol Fans.

You have the right to your views, but I disagree. And I would welcome that level of success again.
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Good post.

I disagree but good points
 
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TroyCG said:
"Green won 71 percent of his games at Tennessee, made the tournament in each of his four seasons, and had one Sweet 16 trip."

O'Neill walked out on UT; Peterson and Houston ran the program into the ground; Pearl cheated (which was ticky-tack) but then lied to the NCAA and embarrassed himself and the University; Martin can't get us to the NCAA Tourney......but Jerry Green gets the most criticism from so many Vol Fans.

You have the right to your views, but I disagree. And I would welcome that level of success again.
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No, O'Neill didn't get what he wanted from Dickey and bolted. Dickey didn't give two sh*ts about the hoops program. He wouldn't admit Victor and that was the final straw for O'Neill.

If Green would've had to do a total rebuild job like O'Neill did after the Houston debacle, you wouldn't think twice about Green. You just look at the record and don't see what else was happening around the program.

Again, talk to people in the know and your opinion will change. Instead, you're the common fan who looks at the W's and L's and thinks everything was just fine.

And Peterson didn't run the program into the ground. He underperformed and was a .500 coach at best, but he didn't do nearly the damage that Houston did. Wade Houston was incompetent and burned it to the ground. He was in over his head and was a minority hire that Lamar Alexander pushed for and unfortunately he got his wish.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, O'Neill didn't get what he wanted from Dickey and bolted. Dickey didn't give two sh*ts about the hoops program. He wouldn't admit Victor and that was the final straw for O'Neill.

If Green would've had to do a total rebuild job like O'Neill did after the Houston debacle, you wouldn't think twice about Green. You just look at the record and don't see what else was happening around the program.

Again, talk to people in the know and your opinion will change. Instead, you're the common fan who looks at the W and L's and thinks everything was just fine.
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O'Neill was undone by The Tall Man Dickey, who had no love for basketball, that is true. But he was also undone by his own infidelity. After O'Neill was caught with the bank teller, his wife demanded that he leave Knoxville and UT to keep their marriage...and she then divorced him anyway.
 
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