Why did Jerry Green retire?

#51
#51
TroyCG said:
O'Neill was undone by The Tall Man Dickey, who had no love for basketball, that is true. But he was also undone by his own infidelity. After O'Neill was caught with the bank teller, his wife demanded that he leave Knoxville and UT to keep their marriage...and she then divorced him anyway.
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I have a hard time believing that his wife forced him to leave. If O'Neill was going to cheat on his wife in Knoxville, nothing was going to stop him from cheating on her in Chicago. Guys like O'Neill don't just cheat on their wives once. Hell, few do.

Dickey wouldn't approve of Victor getting admitted and it infuriated O'Neill. He then left UT for Northwestern when he knew he had finally rebuilt the roster. Then Green reaped all the rewards and "left" after 4 years when he knew his own recruiting had slipped.
 
#52
#52
I was at the Kentucky Game where Buzz's boys blew a decent lead in the final minute. I saw Buzz call a play on offense, and the guys ignored him and did what they wanted. Peterson said so after the game, that the players didn't listen to him.

Buzz didn't even say much about UT's traditions until his final season, when he saw that he was about to literally LOSE his job.

Buzz represented perpetual mediocrity, and that to me is about the same as running the program into the ground. Cuonzo seems to be in the same boat on that score, possibly.
 
#53
#53
TroyCG said:
I was at the Kentucky Game where Buzz's boys blew a decent lead in the final minute. I saw Buzz call a play on offense, and the guys ignored him and did what they wanted. Peterson said so after the game, that the players didn't listen to him.

Buzz didn't even say much about UT's traditions until his final season, when he saw that he was about to literally LOSE his job.

Buzz represented perpetual mediocrity, and that to me is about the same as running the program into the ground. Cuonzo seems to be in the same boat on that score, possibly.
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Buzz's tenure was nowhere near the total failure that Houston's tenure was. You must have a short memory. Houston won 5 games in his last year out of 27 games. 5! Hell, most of us on here could win more than that.

Martin isn't as mediocre as Peterson. He seems to be a proverbial NIT coach, but he has recruited better and he has done better in the SEC so far. We'll see what he can do with a lot of talent at his disposal this year.
 
#55
#55
TroyCG said:
It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
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OMG ... American citizens posessing a GUN! Next, those thugs will probably try to say whatever they want. Borderline evil IMO.
 
#56
#56
OrangeBalls said:
We'll see what he can do with a lot of talent at his disposal this year.
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We are seeing it already. This is why the pitchforks are starting to come out. Bottom line. If he can't win in the "weak" SEC with this talent and experience, then he has not coached well.
 
#58
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livefaith said:
We are seeing it already. This is why the pitchforks are starting to come out. Bottom line. If he can't win in the "weak" SEC with this talent and experience, then he has not coached well.
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I'm talking in the SEC season. He can still make the tourney with a good showing. However, tonight's game is what is frustrating for a lot of people. This is the team that a lot of people envisioned. I'll wait for some more consistency before I get my hopes up. This a tourney team if they play like they did today. They just need more consistency.
 
#59
#59
OrangeBalls said:
I'm talking in the SEC season. He can still make the tourney with a good showing. However, tonight's game is what is frustrating for a lot of people. This is the team that a lot of people envisioned. I'll wait for some more consistency before I get my hopes up. This a tourney team if they play like they did today. They just need more consistency.
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Yes, I agree on that point. Tonight reminded me of what we did to UK last year in the Boling Alley.
 
#60
#60
DeepSpringsVol said:
Greens best teams as mentioned earlier were thanks to O'neills recruiting. While Buzz Peterson left a NBA player and one of most prolific 3 point shooters NCAA has ever seen. the rest of team was so average at best. Green tells us to go to KMart and Pearl sent players into the stands to thank us for coming. Huge difference into which coach I am going to root for.
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he left one heck of a guard combo. Lofton was great. CJ Watson was our best PG of the past 10 years. Jujaun Smith was definitely not average.

Every coach wins with the last guy's players.
 
#61
#61
GAVol said:
CJ Watson was our best PG of the past 10 years. Juwaun Smith was not average. This narrative doesn't quite work.
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Smith was a walk on. A very good arguement could be made that BP is due a big part of his success
 
#62
#62
BruinVol said:
Smith was a walk on. A very good arguement could be made that BP is due a big part of his success
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Fine. I just think it's dumb to play the game of deciding who gets credit for what players. Everybody is going to make it fit their particular view. What matters are the wins and losses at the end and having support.
 
#63
#63
GAVol said:
Fine. I just think it's dumb to play the game of deciding who gets credit for what players. Everybody is going to make it fit their particular view. What matters are the wins and losses at the end. Bruce could coach. Jerry - somehow despite himself - won too.
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The question that seems very clear to me is

What did a future look like with Otis???

Very very poor IMO
 
#64
#64
BruinVol said:
The question that seems very clear to me is

What did a future look like with Otis???

Very very poor IMO
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I agree. It was clear that the players didn't respect him and he wasn't a particularly good representative for the school or popular otherwise.
 
#65
#65
Doug Dickey is the primary reason our basketball teams went in the tank after DeVoe and did not really change except for the years Green was there, but ONeill definitely recruited some top notch players, but Green, who ran a very organized practice could not control things off the court. Tony Harris coming off the bench to fight in the Kentucky game still sticks in my mind and then there was an incident with another team at a meal in one of the holiday tournaments. So wins aside, Green was not a good fit at Tennessee and if I remember he was recommended by Roy Williams. Had Dickey honored his word with DeVoe, the 90's could have been much different at UT in basketball.
 
#66
#66
Uncle Jed was a bum from a PR standpoint. From a coaching standpoint, he was average, and largely underachieved with the talent he had. He wasn't bad, but 20 wins didn't take much coaching effort with the talent at his disposal. He wasn't the most discipline-minded coach either.
 
#71
#71
Great coach and Jerry Green never deserve to be in the same sentence. He had a ton of talent (most of it thanks to O'Neil) and did nothing but underachieve. There was no coaching being done. Roll the ball out and tell the play 'Go play' was his philosophy. No structure. No discipline. No control.
 
#72
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TroyCG said:
It is pretty amazing--the hypocrisy that is. Jerry Green basically got run out of town because his players acted all "street" and like punks, while Bruce was given a free pass and still glorified even though his players were caught in a car with a gun and weed. It's all about being the slick salesman. Green had an excellent record, like Pearl, but the fans wanted a hard nose coach who screamed at his [goody two-shoe] players. Go figure...
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Not even in the ballpark of accuracy.
 
#73
#73
It is interesting when these types of posts are made when we go through "mediocre" times. I think the OP was just thinking about the past, but the assumption is that we could be better off with a different coach. Just because Martin may not get it done, does not mean that Jerry Green was good either.

I was at UT when Green was there. He had great talent, and you have to give him credit for winning. But, he basically asked the fans to turn on him, and they did. He asked for his dismissal. He wasn't very good at PR for the program, and he let the team run all over him. It was time to move on. We didn't make a great hire after that, but that doesn't mean we needed to keep Green.
 
#74
#74
Jerry Green just rolled out the ball and yelled play. I always noticed during timeouts instead of talking to the players he stared up at the scoreboard.
 
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