Why is Arch Manning not playing? Nico syndrome?

[chattavol420]

Vince Young was rated higher. Maybe Arch just wasn’t ready kind of like Nico? Not every 5* is just ready to go.

As has been stated many times… What makes you think Nico isn’t ready to play? Heupel also starter Milton over hooker and let him have every snap until the injury no matter how terrible he played. Was hooker not ready for the stage? You state that as if it’s an absolute proven fact.

I’d bet the house Nico would have played the position and a higher level than Joe this year.

I’m sure there are a number of factors involved. The largest of which being the culture which heupel values greatly. He has his qbs live together and constantly help each other. So he wants to avoid having them look at one another as competition. He choose Joe for this season and out all his eggs in that basket. Had he known what the results would’ve been I’m sure he’d have went in another direction.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

As has been stated many times… What makes you think Nico isn’t ready to play? Heupel also starter Milton over hooker and let him have every snap until the injury no matter how terrible he played. Was hooker not ready for the stage? You state that as if it’s an absolute proven fact.

I’d bet the house Nico would have played the position and a higher level than Joe this year.

I’m sure there are a number of factors involved. The largest of which being the culture which heupel values greatly. He has his qbs live together and constantly help each other. So he wants to avoid having them look at one another as competition. He choose Joe for this season and out all his eggs in that basket. Had he known what the results would’ve been I’m sure he’d have went in another direction.

Your entire argument is you're a better coach than Heupel?

Why are you wasting your talent? You should be making millions!

 

[EastTNVol423]

The difference is that the players in front of Manning consistently look more than capable of leading a team to victory..

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The difference is that the players in front of Manning consistently look more than capable of leading a team to victory..

So the logical conclusion drawn is: they're better because Arch isn't ready yet to beat them at QB.

The illogical conclusion is: their coach sucks and doesn't know what he's doing because Manning is so highly rated OR Manning sucks because he couldn't beat out the guy ahead of him.

Volnation jumps immediately to the illogical conclusion because Hendon Hooker had a year NO ONE, not Hendon, not Heupel, not any pundit in the country who follows QBs saw coming. Absolutely NO ONE saw that happening, so it's obviously the likely thing that's happening this year.

 

[EastTNVol423]

So the logical conclusion drawn is: they're better because Arch isn't ready yet to beat them at QB.

The illogical conclusion is: their coach sucks and doesn't know what he's doing because Manning is so highly rated OR Manning sucks because he couldn't beat out the guy ahead of him.

Volnation jumps immediately to the illogical conclusion because Hendon Hooker had a year NO ONE, not Hendon, not Heupel, not any pundit in the country who follows QBs saw coming. Absolutely NO ONE saw that happening, so it's obviously the likely thing that's happening this year.

hahaha chill man. You can watch tape and see that Manning was behind some quality talent at Texas. I have no idea how ready Manning was this year but a true freshman wasn't coming in and taking that job from Ewers. Comparing Ewers to Milton is not even close to fair. Arch and Nico were riding the pine in totally different situations.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

hahaha chill man. You can watch tape and see that Manning was behind some quality talent at Texas. I have no idea how ready Manning was this year but a true freshman wasn't coming in and taking that job from Ewers. Comparing Ewers to Milton is not even close to fair. Arch and Nico were riding the pine in totally different situations.

And truthfully, Sark and Heupel both have seen more film of their QBs (and others) and see them nearly daily as they progress, but sure...... I'll take your word that you know who the better TN QB was.

 

[EastTNVol423]

And truthfully, Sark and Heupel both have seen more film of their QBs (and others) and see them nearly daily as they progress, but sure...... I'll take your word that you know who the better TN QB was.

haha I never said Nico was better. We all saw what Milton wasn't (if you can't see that then you're helpless anyways). Nobody knows what Nico is because they wouldn't play him when they had 4537298 chances to get him reps. All we know is that Nico wasn't riding the pine because he was behind a high quality qb. Worst case scenario is that Nico isn't what everybody hopes he is.....we will be in big trouble.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

haha I never said Nico was better. We all saw what Milton wasn't (if you can't see that then you're helpless anyways). Nobody knows what Nico is because they wouldn't play him when they had 4537298 chances to get him reps. All we know is that Nico wasn't riding the pine because he was behind a high quality qb. Worst case scenario is that Nico isn't what everybody hopes he is.....we will be in big trouble.

Or, of course, like Eli Manning who sat 2 years at Ole Miss, maybe it was in his best interest and Tennessee's best interest for him to develop.

But thanks, coach.

 

[EastTNVol423]

Or, of course, like Eli Manning who sat 2 years at Ole Miss, maybe it was in his best interest and Tennessee's best interest for him to develop.

But thanks, coach.

Sorry I couldn't be more help. I tried. Just no hope for some people... understanding and comprehension is hard.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Sorry I couldn't be more help. I tried. Just no hope for some people... understanding and comprehension is hard.

I know, I know. It's hard understanding that coaches Heupel, Sarkisian, and Cutcliffe might understand QB development better than you.

Keep working. You'll get it.

 

[EastTNVol423]

I know, I know. It's hard understanding that coaches Heupel, Sarkisian, and Cutcliffe might understand QB development better than you.

Keep working. You'll get it.

hahahahaha butt hurt much? You must think pretty highly of yourself to put yourself in a category with those coaches. I mean you must have all of that knowledge to counter argue my points..

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

hahahahaha butt hurt much? You must think pretty highly of yourself to put yourself in a category with those coaches. I mean you must have all of that knowledge to counter argue my points..

I'm just showing you what real coaches do, not me. I'm not claiming anything. I'm giving examples of what actually happens.

I get it, though. Understanding and comprehension are hard....... someone told me that once.

 

[EastTNVol423]

I'm just showing you what real coaches do, not me. I'm not claiming anything. I'm giving examples of what actually happens.

I get it, though. Understanding and comprehension are hard....... someone told me that once.

hahahaha gotcha! A smart man must've told you that. Keep trying and you'll get it one day. If Milton doesn't get hurt 2 years ago we probably never see Hooker have the year he had last year....They told us Milton was the better qb. Guess what....he wasn't! Nico wasn't ready to start when this season started. When it fell apart he should've had more reps to DEVELOPE for next year.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

hahahaha gotcha! A smart man must've told you that. Keep trying and you'll get it one day. If Milton doesn't get hurt 2 years ago we probably never see Hooker have the year he had last year....They told us Milton was the better qb. Guess what....he wasn't! Nico wasn't ready to start when this season started. When it fell apart he should've had more reps to DEVELOPE for next year.

And EVERYONE just knew Hooker was THE ONE, right? Everyone was predicting that, right?

Things happen, don't they? And because odd things happen, some folks mistake odd for normal.

Many, many, many, many more correct decisions are made by coaches but sure...... grab the outlier and call it "the normal." That's intelligent.

 

[EastTNVol423]

And EVERYONE just knew Hooker was THE ONE, right? Everyone was predicting that, right?

Things happen, don't they? And because odd things happen, some folks mistake odd for normal.

Many, many, many, many more correct decisions are made by coaches but sure...... grab the outlier and call it "the normal." That's intelligent.

I "grabbed" that one because that is literally what this conversation is about haha EVERYONE didn't know (you probably did). Coaches watched both in practice and made a choice. Appeared to be a bad choice. Thankfully it worked out and Hooker got on the field. Michigan was screaming at us the whole time about what Miltons issues were and they were exactly right about all of it. Milton is a freak athlete but not a great qb. You think everything about this season went exactly how it should have? Nothing should've been different? I think the young DBs should've had more playing time this year (probably more so than Nico). Especially late in the season when it didn't really matter and our DBs sucked anyways. Great opportunity to play against descent competition and DEVELOPE.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I "grabbed" that one because that is literally what this conversation is about haha EVERYONE didn't know (you probably did). Coaches watched both in practice and made a choice. Appeared to be a bad choice. Thankfully it worked out and Hooker got on the field. Michigan was screaming at us the whole time about what Miltons issues were and they were exactly right about all of it. Milton is a freak athlete but not a great qb. You think everything about this season went exactly how it should have? Nothing should've been different? I think the young DBs should've had more playing time this year (probably more so than Nico). Especially late in the season when it didn't really matter and our DBs sucked anyways. Great opportunity to play against descent competition and DEVELOPE.

Look, Peyton Manning wouldn't have started when he did without injuries. So the coach didn't know, right?

Sometimes fate makes things happen that you'd rather not happen but they turn out well. Most of the time, if a QB needs development, his coach knows that and tries to give it to him. It works out better for the player and the team USUALLY. Again, things happen.

Your suggestion is purely to defame Heupel's decision that Nico wasn't ready. Nothing more. If you think the coach is incompetent, just say that. His history suggests he's better than you, me, and most others at developing QBs.

You and I have seen 1% or less of Nico's development. Josh Heupel has seen 90+% of that development and had a huge part in helping his development. Josh Heupel has also seen EVERY bit of Joe Milton's field work at MI and UT.

Josh Heupel coached Sam Bradford to a Heisman and damn near won one himself. There's a 100% chance he knows how to judge QB development better than us.

 

[EastTNVol423]

Look, Peyton Manning wouldn't have started when he did without injuries. So the coach didn't know, right?

Sometimes fate makes things happen that you'd rather not happen but they turn out well. Most of the time, if a QB needs development, his coach knows that and tries to give it to him. It works out better for the player and the team USUALLY. Again, things happen.

Your suggestion is purely to defame Heupel's decision that Nico wasn't ready. Nothing more. If you think the coach is incompetent, just say that. His history suggests he's better than you, me, and most others at developing QBs.

You and I have seen 1% or less of Nico's development. Josh Heupel has seen 90+% of that development and had a huge part in helping his development. Josh Heupel has also seen EVERY bit of Joe Milton's field work at MI and UT.

Josh Heupel coached Sam Bradford to a Heisman and damn near won one himself. There's a 100% chance he knows how to judge QB development better than us.

hahaha Dude, I literally said that I agreed that Nico wasn't ready to start the season and it had to be Milton. Do you even read? My problem was that he could've used more reps to help is developmental process. The reps were there for him. Heupel likes to leave his starters in longer than others. He probably left Hooker in longer than need some last year but it was fine because he didn't get hurt in those situations and he was setting the world on fire. I still think Heupel is the man for the job. The next two years are going to tell us if he actually makes it or not.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

hahaha Dude, I literally said that I agreed that Nico wasn't ready to start the season and it had to be Milton. Do you even read? My problem was that he could've used more reps to help is developmental process. The reps were there for him. Heupel likes to leave his starters in longer than others. He probably left Hooker in longer than need some last year but it was fine because he didn't get hurt in those situations and he was setting the world on fire. I still think Heupel is the man for the job. The next two years are going to tell us if he actually makes it or not.

Yeah, I read. Coach Josh Heupel doesn't agree with you and he's better at the job than you and I.

End of story. Heupel has 9 million reasons to get it right and you and I have...... I got nothing.

Coach Josh Heupel has seen more QBs develop than we'll ever see. He doesn't "stick with them too long" or whatever. His freaking specialty is QB coaching and development.

Question his play calls. Some are definitely sketchy. Question his clock management. He's not impressive there.

His actual "claim to fame" as a coach is his offensive mind and QB development.

 

[EastTNVol423]

Yeah, I read. Coach Josh Heupel doesn't agree with you and he's better at the job than you and I.

End of story. Heupel has 9 million reasons to get it right and you and I have...... I got nothing.

Coach Josh Heupel has seen more QBs develop than we'll ever see. He doesn't "stick with them too long" or whatever. His freaking specialty is QB coaching and development.

Question his play calls. Some are definitely sketchy. Question his clock management. He's not impressive there.

His actual "claim to fame" as a coach is his offensive mind and QB development.

Heck no! Don't you dare question his play calls or clock management! He knows more than you will ever know about that. How many plays have to called at that level? How many clocks have you managed in an SEC game? He has 9 million reasons to get it right. End of story

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Heck no! Don't you dare question his play calls or clock management! He knows more than you will ever know about that. How many plays have to called at that level? How many clocks have you managed in an SEC game? He has 9 million reasons to get it right. End of story

You can question all day but why question a man's specialty, proven results with QBs.

It was Heupel who first recruited and STARTED Dillon Gabriel at UCF after the 1st game because he was ready. Gabriel did well until getting hurt and is now doing well at OU.

If Nico was ready enough to replace Milton, he would have replaced him. Did he stick too long with Brandon Wimbush at UCF? Nope. Game 1, true freshman Dillon Gabriel came in and started from then on.

You aren't looking at Heupel's history. He knows what he's doing with QBs.

 

[EastTNVol423]

I. NEVER. SAID. NICO. SHOULD'VE. STARTED. OVER. MILTON. boy you do have trouble with words. anyways......

The only reason Wimbush and Gabriel got a chance at it was because the starter got hurt. hmmmm....that sounds familiar. You are only looking to the history that supports your side...

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I. NEVER. SAID. NICO. SHOULD'VE. STARTED. OVER. MILTON. boy you do have trouble with words. anyways......

The only reason Wimbush and Gabriel got a chance at it was because the starter got hurt. hmmmm....that sounds familiar. You are only looking to the history that supports your side...

Negative, but nice try. McKenzie Milton got hurt at the end of the season before. Wimbush, a ND transfer, was the starter in 2018 from game 1 and was replaced, not because of injury, by Gabriel. He continued to back up Gabriel.

Heupel PLAYED Gabriel because he was ready, not because of injury. Wimbush had transferred in to fill the spot M. Milton left but Gabriel was simply ready and better. Get it right.

Nico wasn't ready or the game situations weren't right for him to get more snaps. It's that simple. It's not, as you suggested, Heupel "sticking with someone too long" or being "reluctant to use the backup." It's called doing what is best for the team and the QB development.

If Nico was ready and better, he'd have gotten some of the snaps Joe got. Heupel has history of not being unwilling to use a true freshman.

Nico wasn't ready.

 

[EastTNVol423]

Negative, but nice try. McKenzie Milton got hurt at the end of the season before. Wimbush, a ND transfer, was the starter in 2018 from game 1 and was replaced, not because of injury, by Gabriel. He continued to back up Gabriel.

Heupel PLAYED Gabriel because he was ready, not because of injury. Wimbush had transferred in to fill the spot M. Milton left but Gabriel was simply ready and better. Get it right.

Nico wasn't ready or the game situations weren't right for him to get more snaps. It's that simple. It's not, as you suggested, Heupel "sticking with someone too long" or being "reluctant to use the backup." It's called doing what is best for the team and the QB development.

If Nico was ready and better, he'd have gotten some of the snaps Joe got. Heupel has history of not being unwilling to use a true freshman.

Nico wasn't ready.

Might want to research that again I’m almost embarrassed for you Darriel Mack Jr came in for Milton’s injury at the end of 2018. Was the starter going into the next season but broke his ankle. Because of that, Wimbush and Gabriel shared reps in game one and them Gabriel took over. Sorry bro

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Might want to research that again I’m almost embarrassed for you Darriel Mack Jr came in for Milton’s injury at the end of 2018. Was the starter going into the next season but broke his ankle. Because of that, Wimbush and Gabriel shared reps in game one and them Gabriel took over. Sorry bro

Milton was hurt in Nov of 1017, I think. Mack took over for Milton, got hurt in camp, never started in 2018.

Get it right.

 

[EastTNVol423]

Milton was hurt in Nov of 1017, I think. Mack took over for Milton, got hurt in camp, never started in 2018.

Get it right.

It was 2018. Please fact check me and post a link to call me out. Thanks. Year is not relevant anyways….Gabriel was behind two other qbs going into that year. Lucky for him the dominos all fell the right way