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Why is it that people who are against illegal immigration and support things like making English the national language are so often considered "heartless" or "racist?" I'm not saying everyone looks at people that way, and I'm not sure how much you guys hear it, but It seems like I hear that way too often now.

Using a recent example, why are people saying that the new Arizona immigration law is discriminatory? The law, as it's written, doesn't single out Mexicans. But even if Mexicans are going to be the most affected, why can't people (mostly liberals) accept that it's just a way to fix a huge problem instead of calling it racism?

I guess what has bothered me most is that some people have told me that illegal immigrations should be allowed because they illegals are just trying to help their family. I understand that people do what's best for their country, but I don't see why that means it's okay to just ignore the effect on the country and the citizens who are effected most.

Same thing about making English the national language. It's not about being discriminatory or being intolerant, it's about what is best for the citizens of the country, at least in my opinion.

Basically, I got into an argument about this earlier, and I'm just venting now, but feel free to discuss your opinions, too.
 
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because calling it racism allows them to not have to argue the merits of illegal immigration.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Why is it that people who are against illegal immigration and support things like making English the national language are so often considered "heartless" or "racist?" I'm not saying everyone looks at people that way, and I'm not sure how much you guys hear it, but It seems like I hear that way too often now.

Using a recent example, why are people saying that the new Arizona immigration law is discriminatory? The law, as it's written, doesn't single out Mexicans. But even if Mexicans are going to be the most affected, why can't people (mostly liberals) accept that it's just a way to fix a huge problem instead of calling it racism?

I guess what has bothered me most is that some people have told me that illegal immigrations should be allowed because they illegals are just trying to help their family. I understand that people do what's best for their country, but I don't see why that means it's okay to just ignore the effect on the country and the citizens who are effected most.

Same thing about making English the national language. It's not about being discriminatory or being intolerant, it's about what is best for the citizens of the country, at least in my opinion.

Basically, I got into an argument about this earlier, and I'm just venting now, but feel free to discuss your opinions, too.
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Because it's the easiest way to secure the fastest-growing voting block in the country.
 
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Because we have too many bleeding heart liberals out there who think that America should just be a place where ANY and EVERYONE is welcome.

America has become too liberal. We're always worrying about whether we hurt people's feelings instead of doing what is right for this country. So we can't ask possible illegals to show their documentation because that's profiling. Illegal immigrants will be one of the things that brings down our country.
 
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because it's so much easier to just reach in your pocket and pull it out

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I agree with all the previous posts. I thought the guy running for Gov of AL brought up an interesting point (at least I think it was him), which is... why are state (or federal) governments spending extra money (taxpayer money) to provide drivers license tests in multiple languages? (1) it is a waste of taxpayer money, and (2) do we really want people driving who can't read most highways signs anyway?
 
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utvolpj said:
we already do since it's probably the reason they're all the same shape
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Okay... I'll let you come to Atlanta and determine the difference (while driving and in a foreign language) from Peachtree Street, Peachtree Road, Peachtree Parkway, Peachtree Place, Peachtree Boulevard, etc. :)
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Okay... I'll let you come to Atlanta and determine the difference (while driving and in a foreign language) from Peachtree Street, Peachtree Road, Peachtree Parkway, Peachtree Place, Peachtree Boulevard, etc. :)
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heck Atl residents have a hard time with that. Thing is I could drive places in AZ that made you feel like you were in Mexico (no English anywhere) and still navigate just fine without knowing Spanish.

I still say Phx is the best laid out city in terms of streets and numbers actually meaning something.
 
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how can it be racist in the first place? "Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race.
 
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utvolpj said:
heck Atl residents have a hard time with that. Thing is I could drive places in AZ that made you feel like you were in Mexico (no English anywhere) and still navigate just fine without knowing Spanish.

I still say Phx is the best laid out city in terms of streets and numbers actually meaning something.
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I completely agree.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Why is it that people who are against illegal immigration and support things like making English the national language are so often considered "heartless" or "racist?" I'm not saying everyone looks at people that way, and I'm not sure how much you guys hear it, but It seems like I hear that way too often now.

Using a recent example, why are people saying that the new Arizona immigration law is discriminatory? The law, as it's written, doesn't single out Mexicans. But even if Mexicans are going to be the most affected, why can't people (mostly liberals) accept that it's just a way to fix a huge problem instead of calling it racism?

I guess what has bothered me most is that some people have told me that illegal immigrations should be allowed because they illegals are just trying to help their family. I understand that people do what's best for their country, but I don't see why that means it's okay to just ignore the effect on the country and the citizens who are effected most.

Same thing about making English the national language. It's not about being discriminatory or being intolerant, it's about what is best for the citizens of the country, at least in my opinion.

Basically, I got into an argument about this earlier, and I'm just venting now, but feel free to discuss your opinions, too.
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Because democrats stay in power by promoting divisiveness and racial strife.

I listened to the guy who wrote the current Ariz law for about twenty minutes last night.

Everything in the Arizona state law is already on the books in federal law, it's just that the feds aren't enforcing the law.

Section 2 of the Ariz law strictly forbids 'racial profiling'.

Some of the reasons the people of Arizona felt the need to take action at the state level other than the fact that this administration is particularly lax in it's enforcement of immigration law.

KTAR.com - Human smuggling makes Phoenix kidnapping capital of U.S.

Miércoles negro: van 20 muertos en Ciudad Juárez

(bear in mind that Jaurez is on the border and only a short hop from one of the main illegal immigrant corridors into Arizona.)

Attempt at translation:

Black Wednesday in Juarez: 20 Murders in one day.
The first violent incident of this day was discovered outside the Aristos Bar in the Historic Center of the city.

Eight people were found dead there. None have been identified but it is believed that five were minors.

The second incident occurred in the streets of the Bellavista township, where two men and a woman they were accompanying were attacked in their turn.

The victims, identified as José Ángel Torres Ávila and Iván Gabriel Rodríguez Torres, both about 30 years old, and Ana Lourdes Sánchez, 31, were found dead in their sand colored 1996 Cadillac at the intersection of Oro and Maria Martinez streets.

After that, a man in a wheelchair, Alfredo Delgado Rentaria, 23, was found dead at the intersection of Hacienda de la Noria and Alazan streets, in the township of the Towers.

Others:
* Four young male students, two high school and two university, were found dead in the parking lot of another bar.

* Another dead body was found in a garage in the Oasis Revolution township.

* Three dead were found near the intersection of Ignacio Saragossa and Francisco Villa in Saragossa.
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One of the triggers of this bill was the murder of Arizona rancher, Mr Krenz who had been making a big deal of his finding more and more evidence of mideastern illegals leaving muslim prayer rugs, Qu'rans, Afghani head scarves etc along trails.

The assassins of Krenz came from across the Mexican border and escaped back, using a federal 'pronghorn protection area' as an excape route, where Border Patrol Agents are forbidden to tread.

As a matter of fact many Border Patrol Agents operate in an atmosphere of fear of the US government more than of illegal aliens.

Ex-immigration agents get prison time | | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

"The government was very good at doing what it does best: twisting facts and twisting people's lives," said Maria Gomez.
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Foreign languages???

I have an elderly relative whose mail all comes to me, in every dispatch from the department of human services there is included a page on filing appeals that comes in seven languages, four of those are mideastern languages.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Why is it that people who are against illegal immigration and support things like making English the national language are so often considered "heartless" or "racist?" I'm not saying everyone looks at people that way, and I'm not sure how much you guys hear it, but It seems like I hear that way too often now.

Using a recent example, why are people saying that the new Arizona immigration law is discriminatory? The law, as it's written, doesn't single out Mexicans. But even if Mexicans are going to be the most affected, why can't people (mostly liberals) accept that it's just a way to fix a huge problem instead of calling it racism?

I guess what has bothered me most is that some people have told me that illegal immigrations should be allowed because they illegals are just trying to help their family. I understand that people do what's best for their country, but I don't see why that means it's okay to just ignore the effect on the country and the citizens who are effected most.

Same thing about making English the national language. It's not about being discriminatory or being intolerant, it's about what is best for the citizens of the country, at least in my opinion.

Basically, I got into an argument about this earlier, and I'm just venting now, but feel free to discuss your opinions, too.
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In all honesty, I hear intollerance and racism during immigration discussions just because I know real-live racists and have heard their hatred. I realize that not everyone means stuff as ignorantly as they do, but it's hard to forget such passion for entitlement.
There is a big difference between anti-illegal immigrants and anti-hispanic people. Unfortunately, I've just had the displeasure of surrounding myself with anti-hispanic people recently.
 
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VolGal423 said:
Because we have too many bleeding heart liberals out there who think that America should just be a place where ANY and EVERYONE is welcome.

America has become too liberal. We're always worrying about whether we hurt people's feelings instead of doing what is right for this country. So we can't ask possible illegals to show their documentation because that's profiling. Illegal immigrants will be one of the things that brings down our country.
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It's one reason why the economy sucks so bad. They'll work for nothing, so that means you'll be passed over for that job because you expect to make a decent wage. Also what money they do make, they send back home for their early retirement. These people aren't dumb whether they speak our language or not. Just put this into that large pile of government failure.
 
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Panthro said:
In all honesty, I hear intollerance and racism during immigration discussions just because I know real-live racists and have heard their hatred. I realize that not everyone means stuff as ignorantly as they do, but it's hard to forget such passion for entitlement.
There is a big difference between anti-illegal immigrants and anti-hispanic people. Unfortunately, I've just had the displeasure of surrounding myself with anti-hispanic people recently.
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Whats a Racist?
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I agree with all the previous posts. I thought the guy running for Gov of AL brought up an interesting point (at least I think it was him), which is... why are state (or federal) governments spending extra money (taxpayer money) to provide drivers license tests in multiple languages? (1) it is a waste of taxpayer money, and (2) do we really want people driving who can't read most highways signs anyway?
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Tenncare applications were printed in several different languages.

This little snippet was taken from the Tenncare Advocacy Program website:

"Soon, we realized that other refugee groups were in need, and so more representatives were added for the Bosnian, Somali, Somali-Bantu and Vietnamese communities"

This is where your tax dollars in Tennessee are going. That and underground bunker dance floors.
 
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being able to understand basic English and being able to read and comprehend gov't docs are 2 different things
 
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Cartervol said:
It's one reason why the economy sucks so bad. They'll work for nothing, so that means you'll be passed over for that job because you expect to make a decent wage.
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or maybe because they will work for what the job should pay. Shouldn't expect $15/hr picking fruit
 
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Panthro said:
In all honesty, I hear intollerance and racism during immigration discussions just because I know real-live racists and have heard their hatred. I realize that not everyone means stuff as ignorantly as they do, but it's hard to forget such passion for entitlement.
There is a big difference between anti-illegal immigrants and anti-hispanic people. Unfortunately, I've just had the displeasure of surrounding myself with anti-hispanic people recently.
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that is the point. Many aren't racist and want to protect the borders, which is perfectly fine. Others are simply racist.

I don't know the right answer and I haven't looked into the Arizona thing enough to really comment on how the law would work. Thibkgs obviously need to be fixed though.
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CountVolcula said:
Tenncare applications were printed in several different languages.

This little snippet was taken from the Tenncare Advocacy Program website:

"Soon, we realized that other refugee groups were in need, and so more representatives were added for the Bosnian, Somali, Somali-Bantu and Vietnamese communities
This is where your tax dollars in Tennessee are going. That and underground bunker dance floors.
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I would like to see the money saved if we really only had stuff in English. I would in perspective it would just be a drop in the bucket.
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Panthro said:
In all honesty, I hear intollerance and racism during immigration discussions just because I know real-live racists and have heard their hatred. I realize that not everyone means stuff as ignorantly as they do, but it's hard to forget such passion for entitlement.
There is a big difference between anti-illegal immigrants and anti-hispanic people. Unfortunately, I've just had the displeasure of surrounding myself with anti-hispanic people recently.
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put me in this camp....to me, this is not a "human rights" issue....it is a law enforcement issue
 
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Vols520 said:
I would like to see the money saved if we really only had stuff in English. I would in perspective it would just be a drop in the bucket.
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being in CA, you should know that EVERY drop in that bucket helps
 
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