Why Is Missouri In The SEC?

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amaralfan1 said:
Morgantown is in the Pittsburgh Designated Market Area (#26) which is about the same size as St. Louis (#23). Columbia is its own DMA (#135). I believe the reasoning (media wise) was that their were a lot of Mizzou grads/fans in St. Louis and Kansas City (#34).
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They may watch the Steelers, but bet not many up there key on WVU games with PSU and Pitt allegiances taking precedence. Mizzou is probably school of choice for bigtme college FB fans in the state.
 
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Ironically Missouri has been to the SEC Championship Game twice while Texas A&M hasn't come close so Missouri has actually been better in football but they were good the first 3-4 years and basically disappeared once Gary Pinkel retired. They are basically on same level of South Carolina (Vandy is unfair).

Interestingly, Missouri has potential because they are the only program in a state with over 6 million people and two major media markets.

Where Missouri has disappointed me was Basketball. SEC needs better Men's Basketball Programs and they were supposed to be good in that sport but they have not done anything in Basketball.

ACC teams were off limits due to GOR. West Virginia would have made the jump but they really were not any better than Missouri at the time in football, in fact Missouri looked like the better pick at the time.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Because they used to beat the crap out of Tennessee on a regular basis. And even up to the 1980s - mid 19902, games were competitive.They are why we hired General Neyland. Now, just to gather some "Dayum you, WoodsmanVoil," I offer this
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Their real fight song isn't much better

 
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MurphyVol said:
The Raleigh TV market is right there with St Louis. If the SEC was purely looking at TV potential, I always thought NC St would have been a better fit than Mizzou and it might have done them some good to get out of UNCs shadow.
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NC State is so far down the totem pole in North Carolina that I don't think you can bank on them moving the needle very much. They're also traditionally meh in basically everything.
 
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Everything is about the money. Never doubt that. Any expansion is based on money and power.

That being said, I wish the SEC was made solely of teams who are in the southeast portion of America. But hey, it’s just a name.
 
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Mizzou would fit right in if they went to my very own NEW SEC plan.

Once again I will share my master plan to add two more schools to get to 18.

Divide into three 6 team pods where you play everybody in your pod and 2 year rotate two teams from the other two pods for a total of 9 conference games. No fixed games from other pods.


My hypothetical alignment....

Eastern time zone pod.
FL, GA, SC, KY, TN and add UNC to clean up the map. (other options like VT out there)

Central time zone east of Mississippi River
AL, AU, Miss, MSU, LSU (by several hundred yards), VAN

Central time zone west of Mississippi River
TX, TAM, OK, Mizzou, Ark, (2nd addition providing balance maybe somebody like Houston)

Three pod winners and highest rated other across all pods make up conference semis and go from there. This eliminates death sentence of being in the pod with the world beaters.

If the NCAA would build two more 18 team super conferences, all three winners could be in revised CFP with once again add the highest rated remaining member or maybe highest rated team outside of supers. I hate the 12 team solution being kicked around, nobody needs to get a bye, stop at 8 or go to 16. Under my plan the semis and finals could replace the first two rounds of expanded CFP with 4 teams outside of supers being seeded to fill the 4th and final slot in CFP structure.

Map would look good and nobody has to fly across the country i.e. USC and UCLA in B10. 5 games each year have best possible travel miles. You would rotate through entire conference every 6 years.

As far as UNC I think they might be willing to separate from Duke as ACC gets plundered with some members being added to the other super conferences. Duke may get left behind, just like Van might get rifted out of SEC. Besides they could schedule each other in BB outside of conference. Home and home if they wanted to. NC SC rivalry should help ease the pain in FB.


That is my story and I am sticking to it....

GO VOLS
 
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dduncan4163 said:
The are Vandy without the Academics. WVU has a much bigger and loyal fan base but Mizzou has a big TV market. That's the only reason the SEC wanted them. They are a fish out of water in the SEC but so is Nebraska in The Big Ten. The bright side is they are as close to a guaranteed win as you'll find these days. Pinkel had them playing above their weight but he's gone and I hope they keep Drink around for a long long time.
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Well, it has opened up St. Louis for Vol recruiting! Not sure how we have done in KC.
 
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hog88 said:
True but what are the SECN ratings in those markets?
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SEC is doing better in those markets since they added Mizzou than they were prior to adding Mizzou.

From what I understand, Mizzou brought a lot of $$$ to the league and was worth the investment to add.

I can see the traditionalist argument but you can't say they brought nothing.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
The are Vandy without the Academics. WVU has a much bigger and loyal fan base but Mizzou has a big TV market. That's the only reason the SEC wanted them. They are a fish out of water in the SEC but so is Nebraska in The Big Ten. The bright side is they are as close to a guaranteed win as you'll find these days. Pinkel had them playing above their weight but he's gone and I hope they keep Drink around for a long long time.
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True, he had them to where you had to respect them and not overlook them. Much worse now.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Mizzou would fit right in if they went to my very own NEW SEC plan.

Once again I will share my master plan to add two more schools to get to 18.

Divide into three 6 team pods where you play everybody in your pod and 2 year rotate two teams from the other two pods for a total of 9 conference games. No fixed games from other pods.


My hypothetical alignment....

Eastern time zone pod.
FL, GA, SC, KY, TN and add UNC to clean up the map. (other options like VT out there)

Central time zone east of Mississippi River
AL, AU, Miss, MSU, LSU (by several hundred yards), VAN

Central time zone west of Mississippi River
TX, TAM, OK, Mizzou, Ark, (2nd addition providing balance maybe somebody like Houston)

Three pod winners and highest rated other across all pods make up conference semis and go from there. This eliminates death sentence of being in the pod with the world beaters.

If the NCAA would build two more 18 team super conferences, all three winners could be in revised CFP with once again add the highest rated remaining member or maybe highest rated team outside of supers. I hate the 12 team solution being kicked around, nobody needs to get a bye, stop at 8 or go to 16. Under my plan the semis and finals could replace the first two rounds of expanded CFP with 4 teams outside of supers being seeded to fill the 4th and final slot in CFP structure.

Map would look good and nobody has to fly across the country i.e. USC and UCLA in B10. 5 games each year have best possible travel miles. You would rotate through entire conference every 6 years.

As far as UNC I think they might be willing to separate from Duke as ACC gets plundered with some members being added to the other super conferences. Duke may get left behind, just like Van might get rifted out of SEC. Besides they could schedule each other in BB outside of conference. Home and home if they wanted to. NC SC rivalry should help ease the pain in FB.


That is my story and I am sticking to it....

GO VOLS
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I prefer a better path for the Vols that keeps KY and Vandy annual beatdowns.

West: Ok, TX, aTm, Ark or Mizzou
South: AL, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St
East: FL, GA, SC, Aub
North: TN, Vandy, KY, Ark or Mizzou (one rival from the other 3 divisions. TN would be South - AL, West - Ark, East - FL or Aub. Add in three rotational games for the others.

If we go to 3 rivials and rotate the rest with no divisions, then: TN rivals should be Bama (3rd Saturday), Vandy (in-state rival) and KY (oldest, most played rival).
 
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They just gave their coach Drink-wiz a raise. Now he will make 6 million a year up to 7 million at the last year of the contract.

3 losing seasons in a row…….a raise, 6-7 million a year………..Missouri DEFINITELY belongs in the SEC!!!
 
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2 main things. Television footprint to sell for renegotiating the ESPN contract SEC had. The other thing is apparently West Virginias entrance for students academically was below all SEC schools. So when the vetting for adding teams culturally they matched up in SEC better than others many had concerns if they came on board with SEC brand would be able to get athletes enrolled that none of them schools could get. So for competitive balance and revenue West Virginia was passed over.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
Why did the SEC not select West Virginia or another school to join along with Texas A&M when they expanded in 2012?

I do not see what Missouri brings to this conference.
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St Louis market. KC market. Mizzou is the unrivaled "college team" in the whole state similar to LSU and Arkansas.

Think of it this way. MO has about 6.2 million people and one P5 program. SC has 5.1 million and has two. MS has 2.9 million people and also has 2.

The answer is ultimately $$$$. MO gave the SEC an opportunity to expand its TV market and overall fanbase. And... it worked. There are LOTS of non-MU SEC fans in MO to go with their fans.

Basketball has probably been a disappointment. MU was expected to bring a more competitive program.
 
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JoAllan said:
They just gave their coach Drink-wiz a raise. Now he will make 6 million a year up to 7 million at the last year of the contract.

3 losing seasons in a row…….a raise, 6-7 million a year………..Missouri DEFINITELY belongs in the SEC!!!
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Hopefully it's all guaranteed money for Drink. lol
 
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dduncan4163 said:
The are Vandy without the Academics. WVU has a much bigger and loyal fan base but Mizzou has a big TV market. That's the only reason the SEC wanted them. They are a fish out of water in the SEC but so is Nebraska in The Big Ten. The bright side is they are as close to a guaranteed win as you'll find these days. Pinkel had them playing above their weight but he's gone and I hope they keep Drink around for a long long time.
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Pinkel also had the good fortune of Derek Dooley! lol
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
NC State is so far down the totem pole in North Carolina that I don't think you can bank on them moving the needle very much. They're also traditionally meh in basically everything.
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I lived in Raleigh between '99 and 2016. NC State is in Raleigh and it's a big school with a huge fan base. I always wondered why NC State never made the climb as one of the top football programs in the ACC (such as Clemson).

NC State is larger than Duke and slightly larger than UNC in terms of student body, but of course you need to look at athletic department spending to see where the priorities lie. The article below sheds some insight. Short answer: The priority in the area is baskeball.

A look at NC State’s recruiting spending for football and men’s basketball - Backing The Pack
 
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