why is performance in cfb not an indecator of how you do in nfl?

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look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
 
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TSwafford said:
isnt Foster the 2nd all time leading rusher at Tennessee? how did he suck?
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Message board fodder. People post it and too many believe it. Weird, huh? Some seem to want to remember a few fumbles as opposed to him being 2nd all time rusher for UT.
 
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The NFL is a lot faster than college. That's one reason.

Another, IMO, has to do with systems in college. Some are better suited to specific players whereas in the pros the systems are pretty much the same.

If you watch Foster now vs when he was at UT you'll see he hits the holes a lot better. He ran side to side a lot at UT. He doesn't do that now.
 
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Running side to side, as you say, seemed to work well for him considering his UT stats.
 
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When your team stinks, you are remembered as part of the team. Had AF been carrying the ball in 1998, he'd have a street named after him.
 
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Arian Foster was a great back for UT. As a Junior he was projected to go in the second round. I do think the lack of a great offensive line during his time here at UT hurt his production. His senior year was pretty much a sham due to circumstances he could not control with Fulmer being lazy, hiring a brand new offensive coordinator, lack of power running game.
 
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I also believe it had a lot to do with people not getting the albatross that is Arian Foster. He is an unusual dude and not everybody understood him. Seriously, who else in the NFL is a vegan?

So when NFL people talked to our coaches and the people around the program, they may not have been able to talk about him the way they would other guys. This is going to hurt the draft stock a mid round guy whose tangibles are good but not special.
 
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volberry said:
look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
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Foster isn't the best back in the NFL.
 
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foster is famous for his fumbles at insane costly times. i mean couldn't have scripted them any worse. he had great freshman and jr years. he had a lot of huge 200 plus games and 50 yard games. never consistent. my point is he is thought of as an all around stud now! now flaws. just sayin he is better in nfl than cfb. it's just a point.
 
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Foster didn't suck...sure he did fumble the ball too easily at times...but look at how he's doing in the NFL now. And he's kind of 2nd in all time rushing at UT, so apparently those fumbles didn't hurt him too much.
 
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Boca Vol said:
The NFL is a lot faster than college. That's one reason.

Another, IMO, has to do with systems in college. Some are better suited to specific players whereas in the pros the systems are pretty much the same.

If you watch Foster now vs when he was at UT you'll see he hits the holes a lot better. He ran side to side a lot at UT. He doesn't do that now.
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so you have to actually be good in the nfl.
 
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volberry said:
foster is famous for his fumbles at insane costly times. i mean couldn't have scripted them any worse. he had great freshman and jr years. he had a lot of huge 200 plus games and 50 yard games. never consistent. my point is he is thought of as an all around stud now! now flaws. just sayin he is better in nfl than cfb. it's just a point.
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AF had five fumbles during his career at UT. Some were at a costly time. Unfortunately, those are the ones that some people remember He had some time away from the game due to injuries, too, or his stats might have been even better at UT.
 
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No CFB team has 11 good players and 11 second string players almost as good.... In college you have may be 5 or 6 top players if you are a good team. So you exploit it and get away. Not the same in NFL.

That is why you have the combine and the draft... so that players can be evaluated based on potential and not just performance in college....
 
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volberry said:
look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
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Vols4ever said:
No CFB team has 11 good players and 11 second string players almost as good.... In college you have may be 5 or 6 top players if you are a good team. So you exploit it and get away. Not the same in NFL.

That is why you have the combine and the draft... so that players can be evaluated based on potential and not just performance in college....
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ok now i get it.
 
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Slydell said:
Running side to side, as you say, seemed to work well for him considering his UT stats.
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Go back and look at when UT was backed up near its own goal line, Foster was rarely (if ever) in the game. Hardesty was. Why? Hardesty hit the hole.

Foster has improved on that aspect and it has paid dividends.

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so you have to actually be good in the nfl.
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Well, yes. But you mentioned Victor Cruz & some other "unknown" players in college having success in the pros. Look at the system they played in. If they're a receiver, who was throwing to them? If they're a qb, who were they throwing to? If they're a rb, what did the ol look like?

That's why the scouts are looking for certain traits in a player whether they play qb at UT or lb at Bama or rb at SW (pick a state) Tech.

People assume that Peyton Manning has the best receivers but it's really the other way around. Manning can take a bunch of guys who no body has ever heard of and turn them into productive NFL receivers.
 
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Foster had a bad senior year. We were ecstatic when he decided to come back. The offense we put in that year was horrendous. Foster was very good while he was here and Gary Kubiak's offense is perfect for his running style.
 
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volberry said:
look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
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I didn't even read the rest of your post. You lost all credibility with your first statement. :unsure:
 
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