why is performance in cfb not an indecator of how you do in nfl?

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Boca Vol said:
Go back and look at when UT was backed up near its own goal line, Foster was rarely (if ever) in the game. Hardesty was. Why? Hardesty hit the hole.

Foster has improved on that aspect and it has paid dividends.



Well, yes. But you mentioned Victor Cruz & some other "unknown" players in college having success in the pros. Look at the system they played in. If they're a receiver, who was throwing to them? If they're a qb, who were they throwing to? If they're a rb, what did the ol look like?

That's why the scouts are looking for certain traits in a player whether they play qb at UT or lb at Bama or rb at SW (pick a state) Tech.

People assume that Peyton Manning has the best receivers but it's really the other way around. Manning can take a bunch of guys who no body has ever heard of and turn them into productive NFL receivers.
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makes sense! so basically these players already have the skills when they are in hs they just have to get to college so they can be seen. also they get bigger and faster via working out and at some point a scout will notice them. i found it interesting that the winningest qb in cfb history didn't even get drafted. total scheme qb with not even average skills.
 
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supersmo18 said:
I didn't even read the rest of your post. You lost all credibility with your first statement. :unsure:
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no i didn't. he's thought of as a joke and not dependable in cfb. total turn around in nfl. please stick with the topic which is why cfb results doesn't correlate to nfl results.
 
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volberry said:
makes sense! so basically these players already have the skills when they are in hs they just have to get to college so they can be seen. also they get bigger and faster via working out and at some point a scout will notice them. i found it interesting that the winningest qb in cfb history didn't even get drafted. total scheme qb with not even average skills.
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I'm assuming you're referring to the qb from Boise St. Yeah, the kid is a winner but maybe his arm strength wasn't enough or his release was too slow. If so, it goes back to the speed of the game.

College stats aren't that relative to NFL success. Look at UT, if Bray comes back to UT he could very well hold several records including some of Manning's. Would anyone in their right mind rank Bray as one of the top 3 qb's in UT history even though he would hold many records? No.
 
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volberry said:
no i didn't. he's thought of as a joke and not dependable in cfb. total turn around in nfl. please stick with the topic which is why cfb results doesn't correlate to nfl results.
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Sorry but you are just wrong about Foster's CFB career. Only a few mouth breathing TN fans think that.
 
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volberry said:
look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
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It is all because you can't spell indicator.
 
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Tebow sucks in the NFL and was "good" in college because when he was 18 he was almost the same size as he is now. It would be like playing a 16 year old with the mind of an 8 year old against 8 year olds. He was a big boy that was it. Step into the NFL and now everyone is bigger than you or the same size and BOOM suckage ensues. He was a horrible passer in CFB and is probably the worst in NFL history.
 
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GonzoforCuonzo said:
It's pretty close though. AP's stats are up this year because they have no offense around him nor do they have a backup behind him. Every play goes to him right now.
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Yes, but he is coming off one of the nastiest injuries I have ever seen along with Lattimore this year, and is only 102 yds away from 2000 and 208 yds away from the all time record, and we all know AP can put up 208 yds in a game.
 
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volberry said:
look at arian foster who sucked in cfb but is the best back in the nfl. look at tebow who was the best player ever now he can barely make a team. or tom brady, brett farve, victor cruz, etc. rarely do you see stars like eli and peyton or charles woodson shine in cfb and the nfl. somebody please explain this to me.
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I think bill simmons said it best in an article he wrote when AF had his breakout season. "Is it really a shocker that the #2 all time rusher at the University of TN is doing great things in the NFL?"
 
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I know it is a crazy notion, but, just maybe people grow or develop a bit from when they start college and the NFL...
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Tebow sucks in the NFL and was "good" in college because when he was 18 he was almost the same size as he is now. It would be like playing a 16 year old with the mind of an 8 year old against 8 year olds. He was a big boy that was it. Step into the NFL and now everyone is bigger than you or the same size and BOOM suckage ensues. He was a horrible passer in CFB and is probably the worst in NFL history.
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Actually Tebow had amazing passing numbers in cfb. He was like the sec most effecient passer of all time at one point. I don't even care about the Gator, but just saying. I also get your point that maybe he developed early and everyone took four years to catch up. It does happen in little league and hs so that makes sense. In pros it's all grown a#$ men!
 
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YorkVol said:
I know it is a crazy notion, but, just maybe people grow or develop a bit from when they start college and the NFL...
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You're right! As I said in my last post, maybe some of these athletes had better coaching in hs and are more physically mature at 18-21 and other just peek at 21-25. Makes a lot of sense. So these 5 star recruits is a bunch of bull then. Doesn't take into account a kid will grow and put on 40lbs of muscle or once he's in a good envirnment he will thrive! Interesting.
 
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I always thought he was a pretty good back even with the untimely fumbles. Only 2 jump out at me & I would say 1 wasn't even his fault. The Penn St bowl game where we only scored like 7 points. The Florida game when Ainge was having to back hand the handoff because of a bad finger.
 
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we lost 6 games due to his butterfingers. thats 2 games a year he cost us. huge in the sec. but can we talk about other examples besides af? it's getting old. everyone felt he sucked while at ut. move on.
 
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volberry said:
we lost 6 games due to his butterfingers. thats 2 games a year he cost us. huge in the sec. but can we talk about other examples besides af? it's getting old. everyone felt he sucked while at ut. move on.
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We lost 6 games because of his 5 career fumbles you say.:popcorn:
 
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volberry said:
we lost 6 games due to his butterfingers. thats 2 games a year he cost us. huge in the sec. but can we talk about other examples besides af? it's getting old. everyone felt he sucked while at ut. move on.
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Only the morons in our fan base think he sucked while at UT. He was a great player for us. Move on.
 
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to the OP's question, it's a different game on a different level, simple as that. A lot of it has to do with luck as well, as to where drafted, scheme, etc, but it's the same as the nba. Guys average 25 points in college and can't make an nba squad, and guys averaging single digits in college become nba veterans.
 
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the correlation is very high. AF isn't the best back in the NFL by any stretch of the imagination. I'm a fan, but he isn't.
 
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