Why is Trump destroying NATO ?

Why is Trump destroying NATO?

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LouderVol said:
where else would defense money go?
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It doesn't have to actually be spent

The point is this is driven by them not some great concern for our defense. The US is doing their part but others need to start buying more bombs too. Definitely need to invest in more war
 
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utvolpj said:
It doesn't have to actually be spent

The point is this is driven by them not some great concern for our defense. The US is doing their part but others need to start buying more bombs too. Definitely need to invest in more war
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You can't have NATO screaming about the big Russian bear while not carrying their share of defense.
 
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utvolpj said:
It doesn't have to actually be spent

The point is this is driven by them not some great concern for our defense. The US is doing their part but others need to start buying more bombs too. Definitely need to invest in more war
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As far as the Germans go I wouldn't even start with bombs. I would start with a basic maintenance plan so they don't have to abandon troop carriers in Turkey.

For those not spending their 2%, it should be spent if they want to stay in NATO.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You can't have NATO screaming about the big Russian bear while not carrying their share of defense.
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You shouldn’t have NATO screaming about the big Russian bear while buying energy from him and allowing him to host World Cup soccer but we do . That’s why their screeching and playing up to the cameras means very little to me . Also why Trump ( in my opinion ) shouldn’t give an inch to them on their defensive spending .
 
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hog88 said:
So we should withdraw from NATO?
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Without NATO, would the US come to the aid of GB of they're attacked?

Should we be contractually obligated to defend Turkey in the event they're attacked?
 
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utvolpj said:
Without NATO, would the US come to the aid of GB of they're attacked?

Should we be contractually obligated to defend Turkey in the event they're attacked?
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I don’t think we should , but we probably would anyway . The big question I’ve always had and will have because it’s so unlikely to happen is .. Besides Israel and maybe GB would the others come to our aid if we were attacked by say China ?
 
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utvolpj said:
Without NATO, would the US come to the aid of GB of they're attacked?

Should we be contractually obligated to defend Turkey in the event they're attacked?
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You didn't answer the question. Should we withdraw from NATO? Simple yes or no.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t think we should , but we probably would anyway . The big question I’ve always had and will have because it’s so unlikely to happen is .. Besides Israel and maybe GB would the others come to our aid if we were attacked by say China ?
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I wouldn't count on either.
 
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hog88 said:
I wouldn't count on either.
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I honestly think Israel would with the admin that’s in office now , the rest I just don’t see it .
Edit : it’s not hard for anybody to believe we would pretty much be on our own .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I honestly think Israel would with the admin that’s in office now , the rest I just don’t see it .
Edit : it’s not hard for anybody to believe we would pretty much be on our own .
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Israel will always do what's best for Israel, we should learn from them.
 
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hog88 said:
Israel will always do what's best for Israel, we should learn from them.
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One reason I believe they would help us , we are good for them . I agree with the second part completely .
 
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hog88 said:
You didn't answer the question. Should we withdraw from NATO? Simple yes or no.
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It's about as useful as the UN at this point. I don't see why we continue to prop it up without any tangible benefit
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t think we should , but we probably would anyway . The big question I’ve always had and will have because it’s so unlikely to happen is .. Besides Israel and maybe GB would the others come to our aid if we were attacked by say China ?
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I think the bigger question is is the worst case scenario which involves Russia launching an invasion of say the Baltic's would the alliance really being willing to commit to Article 5 knowing a war between the two will likely involve the end of the world? I don't see any Western European countries or the US for that matter willing to stomach the losses that would occur in such a war.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's about as useful as the UN at this point. I don't see why we continue to prop it up without any tangible benefit
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I would bet there is some behind the scenes strategic war plans that go on at NATO. So there is probably some benefit that is never seen outside of Top Secret rooms. The UN on the other hand is as useless as a bartender with voting power in congress.
 
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