Why Private Health Care doesn't work

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#401
droski said:
you did nothing of the sort. just like you "proved" suicide rates were higher in your euro utopias because of assisted suicide right despite the numbers being 10X higher than even your inflated assisted suicide projections?
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I have no idea what your talking about on the 10x higher suicides. I don't think that data is realistic. I recall Switzerland having a higher rate (a gun in every home), but all of the Catholic countries having a lower rate. The Swiss also permit assisted suicides.

I provided a long history of several polls over the decade. Hellfire, the Gallup poll volinbham posted even had its own ten year study where a full year of propaganda surrounding (a bad) Obamacare bill had only brought the numbers down to 50/50. Preceeding that, the numbers polled at supermajority support.

Hellfire, most doctors want it.

Doctors on Coverage ? Physicians’ Views on a New Public Insurance Option and Medicare Expansion | Health Policy and Reform

:epic facepalm:
 
#403
#403
BigPapaVol said:
your idiocy tried to imply that American Wealth was built upon protectionism, which is stupid. The protectionism you now decry is the same garbage that ruined our industrial base by massively overinflating wages over time.
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I simply stated the majority of our real wealth was accumulated under protectist policies.

It's not the only reason - which should have not needed stating.

I certainly DO NOT decry tariffs and protectionism. I merely stated the inconsistencies with neoliberal doctrine practiced by the authors of neoliberalism.

Protectionism saved China and Malaysia from the Asian crisis, btw.
 
#407
#407
utgibbs said:
I simply stated the majority of our real wealth was accumulated under protectist policies.

It's not the only reason - which should have not needed stating.

I certainly DO NOT decry tariffs and protectionism. I merely stated the inconsistencies with neoliberal doctrine practiced by the authors of neoliberalism.

Protectionism saved China and Malaysia from the Asian crisis, btw.
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Please. If it was just an innocuous comment, why the need to even state it?
 
#409
#409
BigPapaVol said:
Please. If it was just an innocuous comment, why the need to even state it?
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It's hardly innocuous. I've shown many recent examples where it matters a great deal.

I'm certainly NOT a neoliberal.

But it was insane for you to deny the long years of protectionism during most of our economic history. I think they were crucial.
 
#410
#410
Here's some Gallup data. Note it does not show a super majority trend - there as many data points below super majority as above.

More importantly it doesn't ask if:

1) govt should provided HC
2) there should be a single payer system
3) what the role of govt should be.

What it does ask is if the govt should "ensure" that all have coverage. That could be via insurance regulation (maintaining a private system or mixed system as we have now).

U.S. Still Split on Whether Gov't Should Ensure Healthcare

This is telling as well:

Majority Favor a Private Health Insurance-Based System

Gallup has asked Americans since 2001 if they preferred a government-run healthcare system or a private insurance-based system. Prior to this year, the question asked about "replacing" the current system with a government-run system. This year, the question was modified to ask more generally which type of system Americans prefer. Despite this change in wording, this year's results are essentially identical to last year's, with 61% preferring a system based on private health insurance. Before 2009, Gallup's annual November updates showed some fluctuation in responses, although preference for a private health insurance-based system has always outpaced preference for a government-run system.
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#411
#411
droski said:
the way this question was phrased is kind of like saying "would you like me to give you $50 for free." no basis in reality at all.
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again, these ridiculous regurgitation of stats and polls are useless. I can get polling data to say almost anything and skew stats to make almost any argument.
 
#412
#412
utgibbs said:
I have no idea what your talking about on the 10x higher suicides. I don't think that data is realistic. I recall Switzerland having a higher rate (a gun in every home), but all of the Catholic countries having a lower rate. The Swiss also permit assisted suicides.:
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i posted it earlier in this thread. virtually every euro utopia you love has a higher suicide rate than the US. even if you assume thousands of assisted suicides a year (and assume that those same terminally ill people in the US wouldn't have offed themselves) you still see far higher rates in those countries.
 
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#414
Oh I left this out of the Gallup report

Implications

Support is not strong in America today for a broad, government-run healthcare system similar to those in operation in Canada, as well as Great Britain and other European countries. A clear majority of Americans continue to support the idea of a healthcare system based on private insurance.
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#415
Concerning health care:

And let's remember, at NO TIME has there been an honest dialogue with the American people that, actually, every national health system out there has better health metrics at much lower cost per person.

If you were to put half spent on the propaganda into this honest dialogue, the historical 60%+ figure in favor would soar to 80% or so.

@float, you are nuts if you want to abolish the first amendment. You are nuts if you want to toy with the Bill of Rights full stop.
 
#416
#416
utgibbs said:
Concerning health care:

And let's remember, at NO TIME has there been an honest dialogue with the American people that, actually, every national health system out there has better health metrics at much lower cost per person.
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i've seen plenty of lies about the cost and quality of euro style healthcare in this country.
 
#417
#417
utgibbs said:
Concerning health care:

And let's remember, at NO TIME has there been an honest dialogue with the American people that, actually, every national health system out there has better health metrics at much lower cost per person.

If you were to put half spent on the propaganda into this honest dialogue, the historical 60%+ figure in favor would soar to 80% or so.

@float, you are nuts if you want to abolish the first amendment. You are nuts if you want to toy with the Bill of Rights full stop.
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exactly. If more people had your stats, Fulmer WILL win 14 games next year.
 
#420
#420
BigPapaVol said:
exactly. If more people had your stats, Fulmer WILL win 14 games next year.
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Detroit moved to Ontario to lower its health bill....

And because it could under neoliberalism.

Given the Gallup data that's been presented, I think it's time for a

GSM.
 
#421
#421
droski said:
fulmer is clearly suffering from a lack of honest dialoge about his coaching abilities. otherwise he would ahve found a job by now.
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what are you talking about? We won 9 games against hordes of huge gorillas this year.
 
#422
#422
utgibbs said:
Detroit moved to Ontario to lower its health bill....

And because it could under neoliberalism.

Given the Gallup data that's been presented, I think it's time for a

GSM.
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then i guess you love walmart's healthcare program right? because that's cheap too.
 
#423
#423
utgibbs said:
Thankee. Proved me right as rain. Don't even have to go off page 1. :hi:

(I assume you didn't take heed of my warning the first time around.)
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reading comprehension is not your strong suit eh?

tell me what you think this polling data shows - what is it that Americans want based on this data. Be specific.
 
#425
#425
UTGibbs,


Why should someone, who has never given to society, paid taxes, had a job, be given free healthcare, food stamps, a place to live?
 
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