Why Raleigh Has to Go...(merged)

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Hobock said:
You're gonna call out a kid who had a dream to make it to the SEC tourney and the NCAA's at the BEGINNING of the season? That's not low-class, that shows NO CLASS!
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This ^^^^^

Fire Todd Raleigh
 
#29
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I'm not a baseball fan, but UT seems to have found itself with another coach who can't help but make one of our teams the laughing stock of the SEC.
 
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Hobock said:
You're gonna call out a kid who had a dream to make it to the SEC tourney and the NCAA's at the BEGINNING of the season? That's not low-class, that shows NO CLASS!
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:banghead2:

From the article:

"I'd be shocked if we're not an NCAA team," UT coach Todd Raleigh said.

Learn to read Forrest. My comment had nothing to do with Hawn, and my subject line clearly says "Raliegh's Pre-Season comments

Hence my reply "I guess he's shocked now then." I have more class than you have ability to read apparently.
 
#33
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Yes he needs to go but might be a little tougher that this is 1st hire of his that needs to go. i hope i wake up monday and it is done
 
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TNVols58 said:
1) His teams FAILED to make the postseason ALL three years (EVERY SEC team in that span has made it)...this should be enough alone

2) His teams NEVER won more than 12 SEC games (really...is 40% winning acceptable? NO)

3) Only one overall winning season (30-26 this year)

3) His teams really struggle with lower conference teams (midweek games the previous 2 years...the horrible struggles the team had earlier this year with losses to Eastern Kentucky, Binghamton, Kennesaw State although the midweek games were better this year)

4) His attitude towards the players is supposedly horrendous...for example I heard last year a player of ours, Tyler Horne, had a poor game late in the year and after the game Raleigh told him, "your dad wouldn't be proud of you"...Horne's father committed suicide while Horne was in high school...is this what we want our coach to be like???...the players evidently don't like him at all

5) His constant use of excuses in the media..."the baseball gods were against us"..."hit so many balls hard"..."didn't get any breaks"..."we're so close"...ok...maybe once or twice a year it's okay to use these...but after EVERY loss???

6) Underachieving with talent...why is it that during the summer our players do really well and then during the college year they really regress?...Raleigh said before this season that we had a ton of depth but that wasn't close to reality...he also said before the year that this was an NCAA tourney team...THEY'RE NOT

7) The opportunity was there for the postseason and his team fell apart...up 2 games for the 8 spot with 5 games left and you lose ALL 5 games?...just winning 2 out of those last 5 gets you to the NCAA tourney...but his team is swept at home by your rival that was 2-10 in the SEC on the road before coming here...Raleigh can't handle the pressure as he even said before the series that this was the biggest series of his career here
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8.) He's responsible for the God awful uniforms that the baseball team is wearing.
 
#38
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oz615 said:
8.) He's responsible for the God awful uniforms that the baseball team is wearing.
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Their uniforms are pretty hideous.

At first I liked that they scaled back using the black as much and incorporated orange more, but when I saw the design of most of the uniforms, I longed for the old ones again. Simply awful design. Not to mention whoever put them together can't tell when shades of orange are different. I don't understand how they can ok orange helmets that are so obviously different than the rest of the orange on the uniforms.

And seriously, lose the idiotic looking cursive writing. It looks BAD.
 
#39
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There are other coaches that need to go in underperforming programs

(#1) Spoke to a former UT Swimmer and discovered that he (and most otherr former swimmers) avow the John Trembley has to go.

Evidently Trembley has more concern about his camps and other interests in Pennsylvania than he does with coaching UT.

Even if this were not true, our swimming program (outside diving) have fallen off the edge of the earth. What this former Aqua Vol told me about how the program is run (or not run) compared to other SEC programs would blow your mind.

(#2) Golf, sure Jim Kelson has had sporadic, Delmonico like success but for the most part, there are other programs in Tennessee with similar levels of success (ie ETSU). BUT at least this year the Vols have qualified to be the last place team in the national tournament.

His recruiting of excellent local kids has been very questionable.

(#3) I know he will not change after one season, but the men's track program was woeful this year. Now how much of this J.J. Clark inherited is not clear.

Many former Vols were upset when Mike Hamilton opted to make Clark coach of men and women.

In order, the coaches that need to be shown the door:

#1 Trembley...he has been a leech on the athletic department far longer than Raleigh
#2 Raleigh......The writing was on wall from first press conference.
#3 Kelson
#4 Clark
 
#42
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TNVols58 said:
Mr. Hamilton,

I write to you today because I'm very concerned about the direction of the Vols baseball program. In head coach Todd Raleigh's three years at the University of Tennessee, none of his teams have made the postseason and none have won even 13 SEC games. In comparison to other SEC programs, only Mississippi State has not made the postseason in the past three years. Coach Raleigh finally had a winning record this year, although his team finished just 12-18 in the SEC, good for 10th in the conference. With an opportunity to make both Hoover and the NCAA Tournament, his team finished with 5 straight SEC losses after being up two games for the eight seed in the SEC Tournament with only five games to play. This weekend his team was swept at home by an Alabama ballclub that prior to the series was just 2-10 on the road in the SEC. Even before the series Raleigh said this was "the biggest series of his career here."

Along with minimal success on the field over the past three years, it has been brought to my attention that Coach Raleigh's behavior towards the Vol baseball players over the past few years has been immature and unacceptable. I have heard from multiple people that towards the end of last year, Coach Raleigh told then Vol baseball player Tyler Horne, "your dad wouldn't be proud of you." It turns out that Horne's father committed suicide while Tyler was in high school. I believe, as you do, that the leader of the baseball program needs to show more class and represent the University in a much better manner to student-athletes. I have heard of many other confrontations between Coach Raleigh and the players, and as a fan, I think to myself, "how can parents send their son to play for such a coach?" As a Vol baseball fan I believe our program should have a coach that not only has success on the field but also represents the University to the highest standard off the field.

As someone who has attended nearly every Vol baseball game for the past six years, it is very disappointing to see how far the program has fallen. It was only five years ago that the Vol baseball program was in Omaha for the College World Series, and I will never forget going to Lindsay Nelson Stadium to watch the team play that year. I do believe that Tennessee baseball can get back to that level, although I believe change is needed at the top in order to give the program the best chance to succeed. The athletics program has spent a lot of money on renovating Lindsay Nelson Stadium and giving the program a great opportunity to make the postseason on a consistent basis, but it is apparent that Coach Raleigh has not and will not have success at Tennessee. The recent success of Tennessee basketball, golf, and tennis shows that the sky is the limit for Tennessee athletics. You made the commitment to the baseball program when you decided to upgrade the baseball facilities, and it is my hope that you strongly consider a change at head coach so that the baseball program can get back to competing at the highest level.
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:puke5: OMG!! My Letter To Mike H.!!!! This board is gettin stranger and stranger. Like computer Oprah,a heaping pile of Debbie Downer, skirt wearing pseudo football fans. :moon2:

p.s. Didn't read it !!!
 
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#43
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fryeguy93 said:
There are other coaches that need to go in underperforming programs

(#3) I know he will not change after one season, but the men's track program was woeful this year. Now how much of this J.J. Clark inherited is not clear.

Many former Vols were upset when Mike Hamilton opted to make Clark coach of men and women.
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I fail to see how one can blame JJ for the Men's performance this season. He inherited a team that had been on a decline for several seasons and had very limited talent left. 2-3 of his better athletes then transferred due to various reason before he even got to coach them. Add to that a injury to one of the better athletes left. Not to mention, the former coach left right after the season, and the recruiting season was already over.

He just signed his first class and it looks to be a good foundation. Justin Hunter alone, will make this team better.

He has proven track record of building winning teams, but he will probably need another 2 years to get this team back to where it should be. All of the people that are butt hurt because Tennessee chose to go to the program model (rather than the separate mens and women's teams) should get over it. The simple fact is that they are still just pissed because the former assistant did not get it.
 
#45
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Smokeybluetick said:
:puke5: OMG!! My Letter To Mike H.!!!! This board is gettin stranger and stranger. Like computer Oprah,a heaping pile of Debbie Downer, skirt wearing pseudo football fans. :moon2:

p.s. Didn't read it !!!
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So you either think Raliegh is doing a good enough job, or you really don't even follow the baseball program, making your comment even dumber.
 
#46
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fryeguy93 said:
There are other coaches that need to go in underperforming programs

(#3) I know he will not change after one season, but the men's track program was woeful this year. Now how much of this J.J. Clark inherited is not clear.

Many former Vols were upset when Mike Hamilton opted to make Clark coach of men and women.
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Frye, I respect your opinion in the baseball situation, but you have no idea what you're talking about if you think JJ Clark needs to go.

He has multiple National and SEC Championships as the women's coach, including SEC titles in the last calendar year. He built the women's team from practically nothing. He had experience coaching men and women in a combined Florida program before coming to Tennessee.

Mike Hamilton followed the national trend in combining men's and women's track programs. We became the 9th team in the conference to do it, leaving only Alabama and Arkansas still separate. Vandy only has women's track. By combining programs, you can use the total six coaching sports to hire a specialist to coach and recruit specific events, rather than relying on unpaid volunteer assistants. All of the top national programs are now combined.

JJ Clark did an outstanding job with what he had this year. Recruiting under Bill Webb was completely in the tank. He's the one that foots the blame for running the program into the ground. Their star recruit was academically ineligible to compete this season, and the points he would have scored all year would have made a huge difference in the SEC and NCAA meets.

Both teams had great recruiting classes this year, and will be much better on the track next year.

As far as former athletes being upset, they wanted George Watts to be elevated to the position. While it was noble of them to support the likable assistant, MH had to bring Tennessee Track into this century and combine the operation. When it was decided that was what was going to happen, are you really going to pass up a multiple-time national championship head coach to hire an older career-assistant, who's near retirement of his own, to lead the new program, just to appease some former athletes?

It should be noted that the men's track reunion this year had about double the turnout this year than it did in past years with Bill Webb at the helm.
 
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#48
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DeerPark12 said:
Frye, I respect your opinion in the baseball situation, but you have no idea what you're talking about if you think JJ Clark needs to go.

He has multiple National and SEC Championships as the women's coach, including SEC titles in the last calendar year. He built the women's team from practically nothing. He had experience coaching men and women in a combined Florida program before coming to Tennessee.

Mike Hamilton followed the national trend in combining men's and women's track programs. We became the 9th team in the conference to do it, leaving only Alabama and Arkansas still separate. Vandy only has women's track. By combining programs, you can use the total six coaching sports to hire a specialist to coach and recruit specific events, rather than relying on unpaid volunteer assistants. All of the top national programs are now combined.

JJ Clark did an outstanding job with what he had this year. Recruiting under Bill Webb was completely in the tank. He's the one that foots the blame for running the program into the ground. Their star recruit was academically ineligible to compete this season, and the points he would have scored all year would have made a huge difference in the SEC and NCAA meets.

Both teams had great recruiting classes this year, and will be much better on the track next year.

As far as former athletes being upset, they wanted George Watts to be elevated to the position. While it was noble of them to support the likable assistant, MH had to bring Tennessee Track into this century and combine the operation. When it was decided that was what was going to happen, are you really going to pass up a multiple-time national championship head coach to hire an older career-assistant, who's near retirement of his own, to lead the new program, just to appease some former athletes?

It should be noted that the men's track reunion this year had about double the turnout this year than it did in past years with Bill Webb at the helm.
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After one season both the mens and womens programs underperformed over past seasons.

I know Coach Clark's success with the Ladies' program but thus far has met with little success for either gender.

To athlete's perception is more important than experience. We as fans can say what we want, but it's the athletes thoughts that matter the most.

If recruits think the head coach's attention is divided with the "chicks" then it might as well be true.

The Men's and Women's programs thrived pretty well (especially after JJ cleaned up the women's team)

How many years does Mike give JJ? Would it ever be possible to return to prior arrangement? I don't think so.

Thus far, my position is correct. Your position may be correct in a few seasons but this season was a disaster.

We basically finished last in the SEC when you only consider programs that support their track team even negligibly. We even finished behind 1 or 2 schools who really don't care about the track program and have ZERO history.
 
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#49
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DeerPark12 said:
Frye, I respect your opinion in the baseball situation, but you have no idea what you're talking about if you think JJ Clark needs to go.

He has multiple National and SEC Championships as the women's coach, including SEC titles in the last calendar year. He built the women's team from practically nothing. He had experience coaching men and women in a combined Florida program before coming to Tennessee.

Mike Hamilton followed the national trend in combining men's and women's track programs. We became the 9th team in the conference to do it, leaving only Alabama and Arkansas still separate. Vandy only has women's track. By combining programs, you can use the total six coaching sports to hire a specialist to coach and recruit specific events, rather than relying on unpaid volunteer assistants. All of the top national programs are now combined.

JJ Clark did an outstanding job with what he had this year. Recruiting under Bill Webb was completely in the tank. He's the one that foots the blame for running the program into the ground. Their star recruit was academically ineligible to compete this season, and the points he would have scored all year would have made a huge difference in the SEC and NCAA meets.

Both teams had great recruiting classes this year, and will be much better on the track next year.

As far as former athletes being upset, they wanted George Watts to be elevated to the position. While it was noble of them to support the likable assistant, MH had to bring Tennessee Track into this century and combine the operation. When it was decided that was what was going to happen, are you really going to pass up a multiple-time national championship head coach to hire an older career-assistant, who's near retirement of his own, to lead the new program, just to appease some former athletes?

It should be noted that the men's track reunion this year had about double the turnout this year than it did in past years with Bill Webb at the helm.
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I have a feeling you've forgotten more about track than I'll ever know :)
 
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fryeguy93 said:
After one season both the mens and womens programs underperformed over past seasons.

I know Coach Clark's success with the Ladies' program but thus far has met with little success for either gender.
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At the risk of sounding Raleigh-esque, injuries played huge roles in both teams underperforming this season. In track, as I'm sure you know, one athlete can mean 20-30 points in an SEC or NCAA meet. The women's track side was down three athletes that would have scored major points and put us right where we have been.

The men's side lost several guys to transfer from a squad that was already extremely thin from poor recruiting and was coming off of an 8th-place finish at SEC's last year. They fell to 9th this season with far less talent. Several people who know a lot more about the technical side of track and field than I do called the job the staff did with the men's side a "miracle."

fryeguy93 said:
To athlete's perception is more important than experience. We as fans can say what we want, but it's the athletes thoughts that matter the most.

If recruits think the head coach's attention is divided with the "chicks" then it might as well be true.
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That would be a very valid point point if there were other successful track programs that were still separate. But the fact is that the top programs that we recruit against are all combined. We did this to catch up to them, not to fall further behind. Florida has become the dominant program in the conference since combining their programs.

fryeguy93 said:
How many years does Mike give JJ? Would it ever be possible to return to prior arrangement? I don't think so.

Thus far, my position is correct. Your position may be correct in a few seasons but this season was a disaster.
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I think we will need to see improvement in 2-3 years. But it's going to be a whole lot better next season with who we have coming in.

I also wouldn't term this season as a "disaster."

The Lady Vols finished second in the NCAA Indoor and had an indoor national champion individual and a national champion relay team. They also should score well at the NCAA Outdoor meet. It has been their custom to preform better under the scoring system at the NCAA meet than the SEC meet.

The men, again, with less talent than last year, fell one spot in the SEC standings and have qualified more athletes for regionals than they did last year.
 
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