Why the heck not?

[LWSVOL]

Please tell me that you aren't trying to compare Tee Martin to Joe Milton. Where are you getting that he had less than 50% completion rating? I remember him setting the record for the most consecutive passes in the NCAA.

he did set a record with 23 straight passes completed at South Carolina in 1998, a game I was at. He was really tuned in that game.

his 1998 stat line was:

153 completed in 267 attempts (57.3 percent) with 6 interceptions. Tee had 19 touchdown passes in 1998. He also rushed the ball 103 times for 287 yards and 7 TDs. Averaged 2.7 yards rushing per attempt and 8.1 yards per pass.

 

[volfan102455]

he did set a record with 23 straight passes completed at South Carolina in 1998, a game I was at. He was really tuned in that game.

his 1998 stat line was:

153 completed in 267 attempts (57.3 percent) with 6 interceptions. Tee had 19 touchdown passes in 1998. He also rushed the ball 103 times for 287 yards and 7 TDs. Averaged 2.7 yards rushing per attempt and 8.1 yards per pass.

Tee also suffered by following a once in a lifetime type QB. He found his own way to help the team to victories. That is all we should ask of any player on the team.

If the QB is IT in terms of being THE key to winning a game, a team is "one injury" away from having a good season turn into a bad one.

 

[Volfan76]

Tee's season annual completion % was always above 50%. He was 5th in the SEC is pass efficiency in 98. I think Joe is 9th or 10th. Was Tee Martin the best qb in college football? no, but I don't recall him ever just throwing 100yds in a game. To try and say that Joe Milton is better than Tee Martin is a STRETCH.

1998: Syracuse, Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Miss State all were 50% or less
1999: Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Kentucky were 50% or less.

 

[volfan102455]

Tee had 64 passing yards against Florida in 1998. 117 against Bama that same year.

 

[volfan102455]

Milton thus far in 2023

 

[lifeisdeep]

Did you call for Tee Martin to be removed because of his regular 50% or less completion percentage and mediocre 2:1 TD:INT ratio? Milton's numbers are still superior to Martin's, but I'm just trying to see what your threshold is for saying Milton is the worst of film study and in-game management.

You're being willfully dishonest with Martin's numbers - he had a 54% completion percentage his senior year. And he wasn't a sixth-year senior. He also didn't throw screens on a majority of his passes because the coaching staff didn't feel the need to put training wheels on him. His junior year he lost zero games and won that little thing called the BCS National Championship.

I wonder if you understand the difference between losing zero games and winning a national championship, and losing to a bad UF team you were favored to blow out?

If you just look at stats and not results, Russell Wilson looks on a par with Patrick Mahomes this year - he has one more TD and one less pick, and only a couple hundred fewer yards.

Here's a little tip for you: stats can be misleading if you miss the big one that only has a "W" or an "L" by it.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Tee had 64 passing yards against Florida in 1998. 117 against Bama that same year.

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This is so bottomlessly dumb it defies language. You do realize we won both of those games and went undefeated and won the NC that year? Or do you just think the average member on here is a freshman in college and has no clue what we did that season?

 

[volfan102455]

Tee Martin's 1999 (Sr year)

 

[LWSVOL]

Tee also suffered by following a once in a lifetime type QB. He found his own way to help the team to victories. That is all we should ask of any player on the team.

If the QB is IT in terms of being THE key to winning a game, a team is "one injury" away from having a good season turn into a bad one.

agree. this is the absolute truth... even the # 2's are very important to success with the rotations that coaches do nowadays.

 

[volfan102455]

This is so bottomlessly dumb it defies language. You do realize we won both of those games and went undefeated and won the NC that year? Or do you just think the average member on here is a freshman in college and has no clue what we did that season?

I was reacting to the post that said Tee never passed for under 100 yards. He did. Yes I know Tennessee won those games and I was at the NC game in Arizona that year.

The thing is folks want to dis-credit a QB because they don't stack up incredible yards passing. Milton is not Hooker! Martin was not Manning! Both have been able to play QB in games where we have WON many more than we lost.

Martin in his two years was able to establish his own legacy in his own way. Let's see what happens the rest of the year - Milton may end up doing the same - time will tell.

 

[whobethis16]

You're being willfully dishonest with Martin's numbers - he had a 54% completion percentage his senior year. And he wasn't a sixth-year senior. He also didn't throw screens on a majority of his passes because the coaching staff didn't feel the need to put training wheels on him. His junior year he lost zero games and won that little thing called the BCS National Championship.

I wonder if you understand the difference between losing zero games and winning a national championship, and losing to a bad UF team you were favored to blow out?

If you just look at stats and not results, Russell Wilson looks on a par with Patrick Mahomes this year - he has one more TD and one less pick, and only a couple hundred fewer yards.

Here's a little tip for you: stats can be misleading if you miss the big one that only has a "W" or an "L" by it.

Milton currently has this team at 5-1. In that one loss, Milton was 20 of 34 for 287 yards with 2 TDs. He was not the problem in that L.

 

[whobethis16]

Tee's season annual completion % was always above 50%. He was 5th in the SEC is pass efficiency in 98. I think Joe is 9th or 10th. Was Tee Martin the best qb in college football? no, but I don't recall him ever just throwing 100yds in a game. To try and say that Joe Milton is better than Tee Martin is a STRETCH.

So is Milton's. Milton's career rating is also 7 points higher, 140.5 vs 133.6 with his being 147.5 at Tennessee. It's not a stretch when you compare the only thing you can between the two guys. Martin was a mediocre QB who had an INSANE supporting cast around him that covered up his deficiencies and benefitted from playing when there was no internet so people can only have revisionist history/memory of a time when that's all they had between games. And if Martin's 57.3% completion bolstered him to 5th in the conference, then that just shows how bad the SEC QBs were that year. The fact that Martin was 1st team SEC in 1999 with a 54.1% completion and a 4:3 TD:INT ratio REALLY shows how bad others are, or how stupid the voters were.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Milton currently has this team at 5-1. In that one loss, Milton was 20 of 34 for 287 yards with 2 TDs. He was not the problem in that L.

You must not have watched the game. Either that or you're choosing to misrepresent the facts. He threw one of the two or three worst interceptions in all the history of this university while we were still in the game. So yeah, he definitely was a big part of the problem in that game.

 

[volfan102455]

You must not have watched the game. Either that or you're choosing to misrepresent the facts. He threw one of the two or three worst interceptions in all the history of this university while we were still in the game. So yeah, he definitely was a big part of the problem in that game.

We must have watched a different game. It is you that is ignoring the facts that don't fit the "throw the QB under the bus and start the backup" agenda. The defense not being able to stop Florida in that first half was the biggest issue. Florida had the following drives in the first half - that has nothing to do with Milton.

- 4 plays covering 75 yards
- 14 plays covering 82 yards
- 7 plays covering 56 yards

Yes there was the interception but that was just 7 points. Florida had already scored 2 touchdowns against the defense. Defense shuts Florida down in the first half like they did in the second half and it is a totally different ball game.

 

[claimjumper steve]

Trust the best coach we have had in decades. It’s really not that hard

I can't believe some people on this board expect perfection out of our coach. After the fiascos of the past 20 years we're lucky to have a very competent coach that has made us relevant again! I believe our preseason is now over and the real season begins Saturday. Let's see how this turns out.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Another HORRIBLE take.

There is 2 plus seasons of REASON why the fans boo Milton.

You honestly think they would boo Nico if he had a bad game??? As a true freshman.

Get real dude...

With some of the dumbasses in this fan base ..... you get real. Hell yes I think a very vocal percentage would. Hell we already had morons here saying he was a bust. I trust Heupel to make the decision on when Nico plays. Milton is serviceable and paid his dues. Nico is not ready to command this team. Fix the WR issues and Milton probably looks a lot different on paper. Besides that ypu do not bench a qb when 7 and 1 in 8 games. Sorry just can't get on board with that.

 

[whobethis16]

You must not have watched the game. Either that or you're choosing to misrepresent the facts. He threw one of the two or three worst interceptions in all the history of this university while we were still in the game. So yeah, he definitely was a big part of the problem in that game.

Lolz, if you think a pick at the 8:52 mark of the 1st quarter (yes, the 1st, since you probably think it was much later in the game) was that detrimental to the game, you clearly don't understand it.

Edit: misread the game log on ESPN, it was the 2nd, but the point still stands.

 

[jeff1vol]

"Throwing away the season" is going 5-1?
Going 5-1 isn't "playing for right now?"
Not being fair to those who don't have a next year.......like Joe Milton?

We get it already. Some of y'all are just bummed to the core that Joe Milton isn't Hendon Hooker and doesn't play like him. I am too.

Somehow you've managed to create this narrative in your head that Nico IS like Hendon Hooker and that's all you ever want to see from UT again...... QBs like Hooker.

Josh Heupel has changed his offense to fit his best players this year. It's been hard for me to watch too. I've complained. I've wondered what's up. I've wanted that excitement back from last year. I'm not going to get it.

Joe Milton will continue to be the QB at UT until
Nico proves to Josh Heupel (not me, not you) he's able to do what Coach Heupel wants done this year at UT better than Joe Milton.

Next year if Nico is great, you guys will want a victory lap because "I was right. Nico is better." Actually, Josh Heupel is better than you give him credit for. Next year he'll develop ANOTHER specific offense tailored to his players.

Step back, look at the difference this year vs last in play calling, passing, receiving, etc. Josh adjusted his offense. He'll do the same next year. That's the sign of a good coach.

If you seriously think we can win any type of championship with Joe at QB, God Bless you. We havent played a ranked team yet and STILL have a loss. At Bama, UGA, at Mizzou, at UK... None of those are gimmies. If we do win the East, Ill gladly eat my crow.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If you seriously think we can win any type of championship with Joe at QB, God Bless you. We havent played a ranked team yet and STILL have a loss. At Bama, UGA, at Mizzou, at UK... None of those are gimmies. If we do win the East, Ill gladly eat my crow.

I don't think the team is championship quality. I'm not certain the team would be championship quality if we had Hendon back this year.

I had the team at 9-3. I've modified my thoughts after Bru and Pili went out to 8-4 or 9-3.

I felt like that was realistic. I still feel like that's realistic. Outside of Vandy, no SEC games are gimmies. That's why I like SEC football.

I think we can match up with Bama's offense with our defense. I think we need our best offensive game of the year and maybe Dee to take one to the house to win in Tuscaloosa.

I'm not sure who thought this team would be as good as the team that Hooker, Hyatt, D Wright, Tillman, and Young played on. I didn't expect that. Did you?

 

[lifeisdeep]

Lolz, if you think a pick at the 8:52 mark of the 1st quarter (yes, the 1st, since you probably think it was much later in the game) was that detrimental to the game, you clearly don't understand it.

Edit: misread the game log on ESPN, it was the 2nd, but the point still stands.

Hard to know where to start other than to say you are very good at nonsense. If you think an interception that led to a touchdown that moved us from being down five points to being down twelve points is not a major factor in a game, you know absolutely nothing about football.

 

[OH-Vol]

Joe Milton is a 6th year 24 year old Senior that plays in a QB friendly offense, however has not showed an ounce of improvement since arriving in Knoxville. We have won games in spite of Milton thus far, however as the schedule gets signifcantly tougher I don't see that continuing.

 

[jeff1vol]

I don't think the team is championship quality. I'm not certain the team would be championship quality if we had Hendon back this year.

I had the team at 9-3. I've modified my thoughts after Bru and Pili went out to 8-4 or 9-3.

I felt like that was realistic. I still feel like that's realistic. Outside of Vandy, no SEC games are gimmies. That's why I like SEC football.

I think we can match up with Bama's offense with our defense. I think we need our best offensive game of the year and maybe Dee to take one to the house to win in Tuscaloosa.

I'm not sure who thought this team would be as good as the team that Hooker, Hyatt, D Wright, Tillman, and Young played on. I didn't expect that. Did you?

No, not really. I certainly didn't think our offense with be this putrid in the pass game. Especially after Joe looked pretty competent in the bowl game. We may still get to Atlanta... who knows? I've seen stranger things. I guess Heupel's offense isn't as "plug and play" as many of us thought. Which is the biggest reason I'd like to see Nico get some real SEC reps. If Joe comes out flat, give Nico a series or two.

 

[whobethis16]

Hard to know where to start other than to say you are very good at nonsense. If you think an interception that led to a touchdown that moved us from being down five points to being down twelve points is not a major factor in a game, you know absolutely nothing about football.

I think the completely idiotic unsportsmanlike penalty by Lane at the end of that play giving the ball to Florida at the 9 instead of the 18 was a bigger factor than the pick itself. I think the defense allowing 7 3rd down conversions in the 1st half, with 6 of them being for 5+ yards, was an even bigger factor than the pick. I think the defense giving up 16 first downs in the first half was even bigger. But, by all means, completely disregard all that other stuff that was not Milton just because you think the QB is the only one that impacts a game.

 

[volfan102455]

Hard to know where to start other than to say you are very good at nonsense. If you think an interception that led to a touchdown that moved us from being down five points to being down twelve points is not a major factor in a game, you know absolutely nothing about football.

We would not have been 5 points down if the defense had been able to make stops, which they were not able to do in the first half. You are avoiding the consideration that Florida scored 3 TD's in that half where their offense drove the ball down the field against our defense. You are trying to put the loss on Milton and Milton only - that was a team loss and the lack of defense in the first half was part of the problem. The defense did rebound in the 2nd half, but the damage had been done.

 

[lifeisdeep]

I think the completely idiotic unsportsmanlike penalty by Lane at the end of that play giving the ball to Florida at the 9 instead of the 18 was a bigger factor than the pick itself. I think the defense allowing 7 3rd down conversions in the 1st half, with 6 of them being for 5+ yards, was an even bigger factor than the pick. I think the defense giving up 16 first downs in the first half was even bigger. But, by all means, completely disregard all that other stuff that was not Milton just because you think the QB is the only one that impacts a game.

Saying a nine-yard penalty is bigger than a turnover proves you have no interest in sanity or truth.