Why the O-line Was Awful in 2018

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The OL was bad. Talent and development were lacking. Losing their best two players was crushing. Trying to install a system while working around the physical liabilities of the players... was a tough task.

As for stat #4 above and the disconnect from passing down sacks... you have to factor in the QB's decision making speed.
 
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If you get really bored - why not do an analysis of which specific linemen got beat the most. I know that the center play was dismal and one of the weakest links - but might be enlightening to see who was consistently getting beat. I think that a couple of positions consistently stunk which caused the entire line to falter. Kennedy going out at center was a huge/ devastating blow … we are going to need him healthy this season. Additionally, I would expect 2 possibly more true freshmen to start on the OL next season.

There was a website out last year that had player by player stats, but I can't find it this year. I just remember Tatum was reeeeally bad.
 
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If you get really bored - why not do an analysis of which specific linemen got beat the most. I know that the center play was dismal and one of the weakest links - but might be enlightening to see who was consistently getting beat. I think that a couple of positions consistently stunk which caused the entire line to falter. Kennedy going out at center was a huge/ devastating blow … we are going to need him healthy this season. Additionally, I would expect 2 possibly more true freshmen to start on the OL next season.
Dead on... I am biased for sure but my son played Center since he was 5 years old ( he is big boned like his old man;)) but he was always one of the smartest players on the field and some cases was a better coach than I was. I told him a center is the only guy that touches the ball every single play on offense and he liked that. I say that to say I have never had a good Oline without a smart center who can set up protection and understand where the pressure is coming from. Much more important for the center to understand what the DL is doing than the QB in most coaches opinion and lets the Qb trust all he has to do is look for the hot read in the open zone area. He can only do that when he trusts his OL. Why JG hasn't axe murdered someone on the sidelines I don't know...

I have coached OL with occasional stints as an OC ( I don't like it)for 20+ years for Pop Warner, Jr High, high school, and div 2 college. I have been blessed to have coached with guys that taught me a great deal and played D1 and even had some pro careers and we always found that having guys that have a little nasty will to win made the best OL guys and we don't have that now IMO nor do we have a center who understands protection. Maybe they aren't asked to but I don't see the OL talking to pick up inside blitz's but I also cant hear them. The incoming freshmen we will have will probably jump the current players depth wise not because they are so much better but because I think they will care to win the battle against the DL.

Another random thought about a cohesive OL unit and center smarts/ protection schemes... We looked bad with our under size slow OL against the likes of APP state, southern miss, Umass and UNC charlotte so those saying we don't have the SEC size line I would say we don't have guys that play as a unit and have some nasty.
 
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Losing Trey Smith hurt but on the first play of the season the center and right guard let the nose guard run straight to the Qb untouched! That my friends is bad coaching!
Not sure if you meant that comment as Blue Font but if not ....If you have a center and right guard that don't understand ON, OVER, OUTSIDE blocking in that order vs a nose guard then they don't understand how to put on their pads either. Goes back to what I have said several times in different threads. If they aren't talking ( center TELLING the RG you got the nose cause I got to pick up the MLB) then I don't what to tell you but it ain't got shat to do with Will Friend other than benching the center until he starts talking. It may be a case of one thinking the other was gonna take him but too often they just got whipped.
 
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Overall, a very good, very detailed, factual post.

However, any discussion about the failings of the worst OL in Tennessee football program history that doesn’t include the OL Coach’s complete inability to get his guys to understand and execute even the most basic elements of OL play for the entire season, is missing one of the most valid explanations.

Yes, we were missing 3-4 players from the last 3-4 recruiting classes. Yes our S&C program has not been up to snuff. But those factors simply don’t explain the lapses in fundamentals, the whiffs on blocks, the constant missed assignments in all 13 games played. No one is gonna legitimately argue that Charlotte held us to -3 yards rushing going into the 4th quarter in the latter part of the season because Jack Jones has to retire from football or because our OL collectively didn’t add 20 pounds to their squat PR in the offseason. Any of us who’ve been around for a minute recall what Kiffin and company did with the 260lb Sullins boys playing back in 2009....that was good coaching, good scheming. What we saw from Friend in 2018 was anything but.
Have you watched some of the other OLs that Friend has coached? The guy didn't forget how to coach lol but are you saying fundamentals that they have been taught since they were in Pee wee football they didn't execute. Some of the more blatant misses have nothing to do with scheme or coaching imo but just not putting a helmet on a guy that blew by you. A nasty OLman has to take pride in pancake blocking a guy, beating a LB one on one to spring his RB since he doesn't get the glory of touchdowns. His touchdown celebration is standing over a Nose guard he just flattened. They call it the trenches for a reason.
 
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Devo182's post on advanced O-line stats was pretty eye-opening. While it's reaffirmed the things many of us have said all season, it's certainly nice to have quantitative proof of that.

Some of the intereting highlights of the Football Outsider stats --- we were:

(1) Dead last on percentage of running plays stuffed behind the line of scrimmage ("Stuff Rate") and not even close to next-to-last,
(2) Bottom 10% in every single run blocking category,
(3) #127 / 130 on Adjusted Line Yards
(4) #103 / 130 on Sack Rate

Football Outsider's stats go back to 2014, so we can compare with much of the Butch Jones era. 2018 was by far the worst performance for the O-line. Worse than 2014. Worse than 2017.


The One Weird Outlier

That said, there's one very weird thing in the data for 2018 --- one stat we were not terrible on: "Passing Down Sack Rate".

This is a measure that takes downs that are considered obvious or very likely "passing downs" and looks at the percentage of sacks. We weren't spectacular on this metric, but we were rated #57, which is very middle of the pack. Why were we OK on this, but horrible on every single other metric?

The answer IMO is that every down was a "passing down" for us.

Most teams have a much lower sack rate on "standard downs" than "passing downs." Georgia and Texas are both good examples. On standard downs, their sack rates were around 3.5% - 4.0%. On pass downs, that increased to about 8.5%. Meanwhile, our sack rate was similar on "standard downs" and "passing downs". In fact, the sack rate actually went down a bit on "passing downs" from 8.9% to 7.6%.

Our run blocking was so poor that our opponents didn't respect the run. Probably the greatest example was the South Carolina game where Muschamp decided to play his DBs back and dared us to run and throw short passes. This is not a tactic that he could have applied to any other team in the SEC. He knew we were incapable of winning in the trenches, so he simply had to prevent giving up "big plays".

Other teams simply blitzed to their hearts' content. They weren't concerned about getting bit by the run, because they knew our O-line was going to lose the battle. In essence, our inability to run block undermined everything else, so that opponents were able to treat 1st and 10 or 2nd and 6 just like "passing downs".


Why Were We So Bad?

There are a lot of reasons we were so awful on O-line.

(1) Firing of Mahoney; hiring of Walt Wells. Butch effectively fired Don Mahoney at the end of 2016 and replaced him with Walt Wells. Mahoney never had elite O-lines, but he did have a history of developing O-linemen and some of the stats were better than people realized in 2015 and 2016. Mahoney was probably an average OL coach at the SEC level ... not great, not awful. Walt Wells, on the other hand ... before UT, he was fired at USF for his dismal performance under Willie Taggart. He was exiled to lower-tier programs for a few years before becoming an Analyst under Butch. Our stats and O-line performance plummeted under Wells. Butch's O-lines were never great, but Wells turned an average OL into a very bad one in a single year.

(2) Firing of Dave Lawson. In April 2016, Butch fired Dave Lawson and basically left an open position on the S&C staff for nearly a year. This was also the period in which the now infamous "shirtless out of shape" team photo was taken. We experienced an unprecedented rash of injuries in 2016, which is likely due in part to poor S&C. In spite of the hire of Rock Gullickson the next season, it never felt like S&C recovered under Butch. Our guys continued to be weaker than their counterparts in the SEC. While Pruitt went out and hired one of the best S&C directors out there with Craig Fitzgerald, it's still important to remember that our O-linemen spent 2 years with inadequate S&C which hurt their development.

(3) The depleted 2015 class. The 2015 class was our Senior (or RS-Jr) class for 2018. It's the most important class for the O-line. Take a look at our 2015 recruiting haul on OL: Drew Richmond, Jack Jones, Chance Hall, Venzell Boulware, and Zach Stewart. Stewart's mom died after he signed and he never ended up enrolling at UT. Boulware transferred to Miami. Jack Jones was forced to retire due to injuries. Chance Hall has also suffered from repeated injuries and never felt close to 100% in 2018. So we signed a class of 5 O-linemen and you can say 1 -2 of them are left in a best case scenario. And Richmond is largely considered to be a huge underachiever; he would probably be re-rated as a 3-star rather than a 5-star.

(4) Bad luck. On top of all of this, we've just had plain ole' bad luck. Our 2 best O-linemen were unavailable for much of the season. Trey Smith's health issues have kept him off the field and may end his career. Kennedy suffered a season-ending injury in the 1st game. That's on top of losing Jack Jones forever and a host of other injuries that have limited several linemen.

(5) Butch's recruiting got worse. Butch Jones recruited well for a few years, but his recruiting clearly got worse during his last two seasons. In spite of the rash of injuries on O-line, Butch only took 3 OLs 2017. At least you can credit him for not going "FULL DOOLEY!", as Dooley failed to recruit O-linemen at all for over a year, but we still needed more guys to replace the ones we'd lost due to injuries and other issues. While we did get Trey Smith in 2017, the rest of the O-line haul was a bit weaker. Riley Locklear may turn out to be good with more experience, but he was probably thrown into the fire a bit early. Similar deal with K'Rojhn Calbert, who lost the entire 2017 season due to a knee injury, and who was more or less coming into 2018 in the same position as a true Freshman. But in reality, we probably needed at least 1 more blue-chip OL in 2017

(6) Scheme change. Then just to top it all off, we went through a scheme change and many of the current O-linemen are a poor fit.


Looking Forward to 2019

I think the O-line will get better next season, but the real question is "how much better?" Many of our guys were probably playing before they were ready (e.g. Locklear, Niehaus). Many were out of position (e.g. Ryan Johnson). Most would benefit from another offseason of S&C.

We'll add at least 2 blue chip recruits and hopefully a 3rd with Darnell Wright. But we'll still be a very young line and true Freshman rarely take starting OL jobs. Nevertheless, our depth will be much better next season.

Overall, I think the narrative that the 2018 O-line performance is all 'coaching staff' is inaccurate. Our issues stem from a series of mistakes by Butch Jones, a scheme change, and a mound of bad luck to go along with that. We'll have a much better sense of how this staff does with the O-line in late 2019 and 2020.
I disagree.agoneybwas a dud. Butch’s Oline recruiting was worse than Dools. Sure DD didn’t sign a single linemen in one year but Look at Butch’s 2014 class. 32 players signed and three olinemen. Four if you count Jashon. Two of those were Blair and Raulerson. In fact, if you look at the size of Jones’ classes and number of Oline it was horrible. Dooley signed some excellent linemen.

Combine all that with some bad luck with Hall and Jack Jones and you have what you have now. Now, his best Oline signee (Trey) wil likely also hardship.

If next year is not a significant improvement on the Oline I would be shocked
 
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I disagree.agoneybwas a dud. Butch’s Oline recruiting was worse than Dools. Sure DD didn’t sign a single linemen in one year but Look at Butch’s 2014 class. 32 players signed and three olinemen. Four if you count Jashon. Two of those were Blair and Raulerson. In fact, if you look at the size of Jones’ classes and number of Oline it was horrible. Dooley signed some excellent linemen.

Combine all that with some bad luck with Hall and Jack Jones and you have what you have now. Now, his best Oline signee (Trey) wil likely also hardship.

If next year is not a significant improvement on the Oline I would be shocked

Pretty much sums it up I think... the legacy has a long life. I tend to agree, Pruitt will get this fixed and should show progress next year.
 
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I disagree.agoneybwas a dud. Butch’s Oline recruiting was worse than Dools. Sure DD didn’t sign a single linemen in one year but Look at Butch’s 2014 class. 32 players signed and three olinemen. Four if you count Jashon. Two of those were Blair and Raulerson. In fact, if you look at the size of Jones’ classes and number of Oline it was horrible. Dooley signed some excellent linemen.

Butch had some duds, but Dooley's volume of OL recruits was dismal. Most of the good OL recruits that signed under Dooley were actually recruited by Kiffin. After the first signing class, the only notable OL recruits by Dooley I can see were Marcus Jackson, Kyler Kerbyson, Mack Crowder, and Brett Kendrick.

The real difference is that Dooley's staff was much better at coaching O-linemen with Pittman around, but they struggled mightily with recruiting. Butch had a higher volume of OL recruits, but he screwed the S&C program, his stupid practices led to non-stop injuries on the line, and he hired one of the worst OL coaches imaginable with Walt Wells.

I think there's a reasonable argument that if Dooley could've recruited like Butch, he might've succeeded (well ... also if he didn't hire Sunseri). Dooley burned a lot of bridges very quickly on the recruiting front.
 
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Drew Richmond should be re-rated as a preferred walk-on or a 2 star at best. That guy is one of the biggest wastes of space in program history. Expect that with players coming out of a program like MUS. That place breeds pillow soft self-centered jokes of football players.
 
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I usually come on VN and make a quick funny/joke and keep things lite......However, this was actually one of the more informative and truthful posts I've seen on here in 12 plus years.......Thank you for posting.

Oh yeah, and.......Gruden....Soon !!!
 
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Not only were OLs overmatched, but they appeared they didn't know WHO to block. Many times defenders found their way into the back field not even touched. Also, the numerous false start penalties by Richmond in particular especially in the red zone was a killer.
 
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The OL was bad. Talent and development were lacking. Losing their best two players was crushing. Trying to install a system while working around the physical liabilities of the players... was a tough task.

As for stat #4 above and the disconnect from passing down sacks... you have to factor in the QB's decision making speed.
It was obviously pretty good as we were better on passing downs.

Guess JG did actually do well reading the defense.
 
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"but, but, but JG needs to read blitzes better"

"but, but, but JG needs to get rid of the ball quicker"

"but, but, but JG cant read defenses"

"but, but, but JG needs to be benched in favor of KC"

i think something else we learned was there are some people on this site who comment a lot and dont know shyt about football. and they are very could be racist as well
 
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"but, but, but JG needs to read blitzes better"

"but, but, but JG needs to get rid of the ball quicker"

"but, but, but JG cant read defenses"

"but, but, but JG needs to be benched in favor of KC"

i think something else we learned was there are some people on this site who comment a lot and dont know shyt about football. and they are very could be racist as well

Like clockwork...

racist.jpg
 
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"but, but, but JG needs to read blitzes better"

"but, but, but JG needs to get rid of the ball quicker"

"but, but, but JG cant read defenses"

"but, but, but JG needs to be benched in favor of KC"

i think something else we learned was there are some people on this site who comment a lot and dont know shyt about football. and they are very could be racist as well
Well... there's that too.
 
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"but, but, but JG needs to read blitzes better"

"but, but, but JG needs to get rid of the ball quicker"

"but, but, but JG cant read defenses"

"but, but, but JG needs to be benched in favor of KC"

i think something else we learned was there are some people on this site who comment a lot and dont know shyt about football. and they are very could be racist as well
JG needed to get rid of the ball quicker, pick up blitz's better, and didn't read some defenses and can be better in all those areas.
Everybody is a racist to some degree, but if you are winning people tend to overlook color and if you aren't the morons want to say that's the reason. Give it a rest.
 
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I think you forgot to mention that CJP made Helton use a blocking scheme that our linemen were not recruited for thereby making it very easy for DCs to exploit our weaknesses and live in our backfield. Probably should have stuck with a modified zone read offense for a season or two until we actually have the personnel for a pure pro style.
Right he forced helton. Proof?
 
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Look at any of the bowl games today and you see main reason our oline sucks. Size . It really is that simple. We are very small
 
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Not sure if you meant that comment as Blue Font but if not ....If you have a center and right guard that don't understand ON, OVER, OUTSIDE blocking in that order vs a nose guard then they don't understand how to put on their pads either. Goes back to what I have said several times in different threads. If they aren't talking ( center TELLING the RG you got the nose cause I got to pick up the MLB) then I don't what to tell you but it ain't got shat to do with Will Friend other than benching the center until he starts talking. It may be a case of one thinking the other was gonna take him but too often they just got whipped.
Spot on,,communication is absolutely a must with an oline during a game.
 
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Also, hate to bring it up but Cade Mays flip during our coaching change added insult to injury. He would have been a day one starter and better than anyone we had not named Trey Smith.

Didn’t he decommit while Butch was coaching though? I couldn’t blame an OL recruit for decommitting when it was clear as day Butch and his team couldn’t develop lineman.
 
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