Why would someone not outsource?

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Gramps said:
Neo if your employees are as bad as you say they are and you are having to fire an average of 6 per month, that points to the hiring process. It appears you are hiring the wrong employees. I would make a change in the person doing the hiring. It is obvious the person hiring now is not doing a very good job.

There are plenty of Americans that are hard workers and very dependable who are looking for employment.
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Yes. If an employer is constantly getting bad employees, that can speak as much to the employer/job as anything. Supply and demand. You want good employees, have a good screening/recruiting/hiring process. Make the job desirable. You are not going to get top notch workers paying rock bottom. If a business owner claims that they would constantly bust their hump for a guy paying them minimum wage, they are lying. A person with a good work ethic will give a decent days work at minimum wage, but they aren't going above and beyond. You get what you pay for. If one expects all their HR issues to disappear by sending jobs overseas, they are living in fantasy land.

Another issue is the damaging of our economy. 99.9% of outsourced products are intended to be shipped back to the US to be sold. If all the jobs disappear, no one will have the buying power to purchase those products. It gets to a tipping point eventually that hurts the country.


I know there are lazy workers out there, but I am of the opinion that the issue is blown a bit out of proportion. Good jobs will attract good employees. If one wants outstanding employees at bargain basement prices, supply and demand says that's not going to happen. You may have good workers for a while, but they will leave for what they see as greener pastures (just like outsourcers think they are doing) as soon as something better comes around. That employer will have a revolving door of employees.


Weezy said:
Sounds like from this thread a lot of people have had bad experiences with outsourcing. You get what you pay for seems to be holding true....even in Asia.

But Neocon still asks, "what's the negatives?" ...:rolleyes:
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Not a dig, but he has his mind made up already, imo. Pull the trigger and see what happens. The worst that can happen is you lose a ton of money by having to come back to the States because the grass wasn't greener in foreign pastures.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I can have an entire container of material totally screwed up, by my supplier in China, and still SAVE money replacing it with another over buying one container of the same material made here in the US. The advantages FAR outweigh the disadvantages for my company. We would not ba able to compete in the US market if I did not import as NOT ONE of my competitors manufacture here.
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It's been that way for years on some products. The first business I started back in the 1970's could not have survived without imports from the Far East.
 
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The only option is legislation that requires products sold in the US to be manufactured in the US. This would mean that each competitor would have even footing, while still allowing them to create American jobs. This would drive prices for the end consumer through the roof, which would necessitate raising minimum wage, higher cost of living and contribute to inflation. Now you're going to have to pay the American workers more money to produce those American products, which costs the businesses more to produce, driving up prices even more.

Economies suck. Let's go back to bartering.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
The only option is legislation that requires products sold in the US to be manufactured in the US. This would mean that each competitor would have even footing, while still allowing them to create American jobs. This would drive prices for the end consumer through the roof, which would necessitate raising minimum wage, higher cost of living and contribute to inflation. Now you're going to have to pay the American workers more money to produce those American products, which costs the businesses more to produce, driving up prices even more.

Economies suck. Let's go back to bartering.
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orrrrrr.......get the government out of private business all together....just a dream I know
 
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Not sure how that would create American jobs. Keep going...

We should all get our own businesses. Now, who do we find that will work for them? Minorities? Foreigners? Robots?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
The only option is legislation that requires products sold in the US to be manufactured in the US. This would mean that each competitor would have even footing, while still allowing them to create American jobs. This would drive prices for the end consumer through the roof, which would necessitate raising minimum wage, higher cost of living and contribute to inflation. Now you're going to have to pay the American workers more money to produce those American products, which costs the businesses more to produce, driving up prices even more.

Economies suck. Let's go back to bartering.
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I like the idea of giving tax incentives based on domestic job creation. I do not favor off the top tax breaks/credits with the hopes it is used to spur job growth. I do favor massive tax breaks/credits for companies large and small that create domestic jobs. There should be standards to qualify, however. 1. They can't be temp jobs 2. They must meet a wage standard (would need to be worked out between gov't and businesses) 3. I would also offer massive tax breaks/credits for jobs that are repatriated.

You want to spur job growth through tax cuts? Tie the cuts to job creation and make them huge.
 
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Good suggestion Jay. My problem is, no matter how well written the tax code is, NEOCON will always pay his lawyers enough money to find the loopholes.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Not sure how that would create American jobs. Keep going...

We should all get our own businesses. Now, who do we find that will work for them? Minorities? Foreigners? Robots?
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I would hire 4 more today if it were not for Obamacare and looming tax increases.....that is what I mean by getting the government out of private business....do you think the government should be able to tell a business they have to cover their employees or pay a fine?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Good suggestion Jay. My problem is, no matter how well written the tax code is, NEOCON will always pay his lawyers enough money to find the loopholes.
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there are no "loopholes", just legal deductions that our President rails against but uses them on his own tax return....hummmmmm
 
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T-TownVol said:
I would hire 4 more today if it were not for Obamacare and looming tax increases.....that is what I mean by getting the government out of private business....do you think the government should be able to tell a business they have to cover their employees or pay a fine?
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As an employee with pre-existing health conditions.... yes :)
 
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T-TownVol said:
I would hire 4 more today if it were not for Obamacare and looming tax increases.....that is what I mean by getting the government out of private business....do you think the government should be able to tell a business they have to cover their employees or pay a fine?
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If the tax breaks based on job creation from my above post offset these factors, would you hire then?

There are some parts of the healthcare law that are useful and common sense. There are many that are ignorant. Based off of what we got from the legislation, we would have been better off with a single payer system instead of subsidizing private insurance and putting much of the burden on business.
 
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JayVols said:
If the tax breaks based on job creation from my above post offset these factors, would you hire then?

There are some parts of the healthcare law that are useful and common sense. There are many that are ignorant. Based off of what we got from the legislation, we would have been better off with a single payer system instead of subsidizing private insurance and putting much of the burden on business.
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As is the current case, tax breaks are always under attack and can be stopped at any time.....so, no.......Obamacare has too many unknown variables, it needs to go away.....I take care of my employees very well and I need to be able to do that without Uncle Sam
 
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Thrasher865 said:
As an employee with pre-existing health conditions.... yes :)
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fair enough.....but the other option for the employer, if forced, is to let you go........I would always want to be able to find a way to keep a good employee instead of being put up against a wall of keep or fire due to a regulation
 
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I wish company's wouldn't because I can't understand the person on the other end of the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Considering the employer has no legal right to know about my preexisting condition, and they would not know how each employee affects the group rates, how do you foresee that situation ever coming up?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Considering the employer has no legal right to know about my preexisting condition, and they would not know how each employee affects the group rates, how do you foresee that situation ever coming up?
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I was not speaking in a particular individual case, sorry......I mean if forced to cover or pay a fine, a lot of companies will reduce staff.....I guess it would be "luck of the draw" for the pre-existing people......also, the HR person sees everyones medical policy, they know
 
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Coach Grizz said:
I wish company's wouldn't because I can't understand the person on the other end of the phone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That won't go away. When I was out in AZ we had a delivery driver coming from Mississippi call the branch looking for directions. Since I was from TN the warehouse manager actually handed me the phone and asked if I could translate because his southern accent was so thick. I got through it but it was a long phone call
 
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T-TownVol said:
fair enough.....but the other option for the employer, if forced, is to let you go........I would always want to be able to find a way to keep a good employee instead of being put up against a wall of keep or fire due to a regulation
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If my employer 'let's me go' due to my illness, I will be a rich man. There is a law called The Rehabilitation Act of 1973 that any employer that receives federal funding must comply with. IDEA (passed later- read section 504- "other health impaired") applies to students and employees. The Office of Civil Rights showing up on the doorstep is not desirable.

A Guide to Disability Rights Laws
 
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So, in reality, I should tell my employer about my condition, so they'll be scared to fire me even if they have legitimate reason? :) j/k
 
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I can tell you from an IT perspective you can get really mixed results and in my experiences, bad results. I'm talking mostly software here.
 
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JayVols said:
If my employer 'let's me go' due to my illness, I will be a rich man. There is a law called The Rehabilitation Act of 1973 that any employer that receives federal funding must comply with. IDEA (passed later- read section 504- "other health impaired") applies to students and employees. The Office of Civil Rights showing up on the doorstep is not desirable.

A Guide to Disability Rights Laws
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Sounds like he knew about your disability when he hired you.....that is a whole different ball game from standard pre-existings such as high blood pressure
 
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T-TownVol said:
Sounds like he knew about your disability when he hired you.....that is a whole different ball game
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Nope. Diagnosed with a degenerative disease 8 years ago. Been employed for 18 years. The law is applicable whether they know it or not.
 
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JayVols said:
Nope. Diagnosed with a degenerative disease 8 years ago. Been employed for 18 years. The law is applicable whether they know it or not.
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then it was not pre-existing, that is what we were discussing, like I said, that is totally different than high blood pressure or back trouble
 
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