Why would someone not outsource?

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#51
T-TownVol said:
then it was not pre-existing, that is what we were discussing, like I said, that is totally different than high blood pressure or back trouble
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I see what you are saying now. We were speaking about 2 different things there.

But, if I left my current job and went to another that receives one cent federal funding, they have to follow the law as well. My employer, in this case, doesn't have the right to know about my medical history either.

Edit: Bold- I have had those issues as well. Had 2 laminectomys/discetomys. In serious need of a fusion at the moment. 18 years of football were really rough on me.
 
#54
#54
T-TownVol said:
I would hire 4 more today if it were not for Obamacare and looming tax increases.....that is what I mean by getting the government out of private business....do you think the government should be able to tell a business they have to cover their employees or pay a fine?
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I with ya, I would like to buy 3 or 4 more trucks and hire 4 or 5 more techs to fill them which would mean 1 more dispatcher but am holding off. We have the work for them.

With the Obamacare uncertainty and the $10,000 to $12,000 increase in new trucks brought on by the EPA and the emissions standards it just dosn't make sense right now. I'll just work the dog cr@p out of the people we have. Reduce some of the regulation, get the EPA off of the back of buisness and you will see hiring.
 
#55
#55
Perhaps the companies that have not outsourced desire their operations to be located in civilized areas of the world where you have to pay the workers and not put them in constant harms way. Perhap they see that much of what comes out of these up and coming countries are garbage products. Perhaps they have more loyalty than a NCAA coach.
 
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#56
Outsourcing is a really weird concept to me. At what point is it considered outsourcing? I mean, I know the traditional definition is when a business takes jobs out of the country, but truthfully, any time you don't do something yourself you are outsourcing.

In principle we all outsource all day every day. I didn't make my breakfast this morning, and neither did my wife. I outsourced it. So people think international outsourcing is inherently bad because it "hurts America", but if that's the case, why aren't we concerned when jobs get outsourced to another state? Another city? Outside the family and close circle of friends? Stop hurting Tennessee jobs, people. Only buy stuff that is made in TN.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Outsourcing is a really weird concept to me. At what point is it considered outsourcing? I mean, I know the traditional definition is when a business takes jobs out of the country, but truthfully, any time you don't do something yourself you are outsourcing.

In principle we all outsource all day every day. I didn't make my breakfast this morning, and neither did my wife. I outsourced it. So people think international outsourcing is inherently bad because it "hurts America", but if that's the case, why aren't we concerned when jobs get outsourced to another state? Another city? Outside the family and close circle of friends? Stop hurting Tennessee jobs, people. Only buy stuff that is made in TN.
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Is my importing of material considered outsourcing when all my employees are here in the US. I have no desire to be a manufacturer, so should I just close shop and fire my 15 employees?
 
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T-TownVol said:
Is my importing of material considered outsourcing when all my employees are here in the US. I have no desire to be a manufacturer, so should I just close shop and fire my 15 employees?
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If you want to get technical, you are an importer of primary processes, not an outsourcer. Now, if you sent your secondary processes operation overseas, then you would be an outsourcer.:salute:
 
#61
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JayVols said:
If you want to get technical, you are an importer of primary processes, not an outsourcer. Now, if you sent your secondary processes operation overseas, then you would be an outsourcer.:salute:
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I agree, but most would still say that I was outsourcing because I should pay to have the material made here too. I could not buy it here for what my competition sells it to the end user for.
 
#62
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T-TownVol said:
I agree, but most would still say that I was outsourcing because I should pay to have the material made here too. I could not buy it here for what my competition sells it to the end user for.
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Apples and oranges. How can you be an outsourcer of something you don't own or produce?

Their argument is against importing not outsourcing.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Is my importing of material considered outsourcing when all my employees are here in the US. I have no desire to be a manufacturer, so should I just close shop and fire my 15 employees?
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The point I was trying to make is that you have to go with the best product, regardless of where it comes from. Economies that protect jobs in certain industries ensure some level of economic stagnation. An extreme example is Ghandi's movement to protect textile jobs. It ruined their economy for decades.
 
#65
#65
utvolpj said:
That won't go away. When I was out in AZ we had a delivery driver coming from Mississippi call the branch looking for directions. Since I was from TN the warehouse manager actually handed me the phone and asked if I could translate because his southern accent was so thick. I got through it but it was a long phone call
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I can translate good ol boy real well, it shouldn't had been that hard lol
 
#66
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n_huffhines said:
The point I was trying to make is that you have to go with the best product, regardless of where it comes from. Economies that protect jobs in certain industries ensure some level of economic stagnation. An extreme example is Ghandi's movement to protect textile jobs. It ruined their economy for decades.
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I used your quote because I agree with it. My questions were not aimed at you but meant as a thought process question, sorry.
 
#67
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T-TownVol said:
I used your quote because I agree with it. My questions were not aimed at you but meant as a thought process question, sorry.
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Yeah, I wasn't really sure what you got out of it, based on what you said. Good stuff, though.
 
#68
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Gramps said:
Neo if your employees are as bad as you say they are and you are having to fire an average of 6 per month, that points to the hiring process. It appears you are hiring the wrong employees. I would make a change in the person doing the hiring. It is obvious the person hiring now is not doing a very good job.

There are plenty of Americans that are hard workers and very dependable who are looking for employment.
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I have 3 shifts of 48 people. Most shifts stay at about 95% filled. It is not like I have 20 people and am churning 30%. I have also partnered with temp to hire services, ORC, the davidson county career center, sumn county career center, robinson county career center. It's not a hiring issue.

The American blue collar worker is just a lazy POS nowadays.
 
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utvolpj said:
thought my family in Alabama had trained me well but this was a new dialect. Either that or he was chewing rocks
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I stop at a lot of Pilot stations as I travel and most of the truck drivers will make you think twice about America being a "civilized" society......heck some of my installers are the same way.....it is just a different life style i guess
 
#73
#73
n_huffhines said:
Outsourcing is a really weird concept to me. At what point is it considered outsourcing? I mean, I know the traditional definition is when a business takes jobs out of the country, but truthfully, any time you don't do something yourself you are outsourcing.

In principle we all outsource all day every day. I didn't make my breakfast this morning, and neither did my wife. I outsourced it. So people think international outsourcing is inherently bad because it "hurts America", but if that's the case, why aren't we concerned when jobs get outsourced to another state? Another city? Outside the family and close circle of friends? Stop hurting Tennessee jobs, people. Only buy stuff that is made in TN.
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The term offshoring is more appropriate for this discussion, I think.

I heard Suzanne Berger describe how she differentiates the activities once ... with outsourcing being the contracting of a third party, either foreign or domestic, to complete some task that would otherwise be performed internally. Off-shoring is taking ones operation to a foreign country to be run rather than being performed domestically. The management of the company may be local individuals in the country to which the operation has offshored, but these individuals would report to individuals internal to your company in a non-contractual basis. The employees are either employees of the parent company, or a new company under which you conduct the off-shored operations. Something along those lines...
 
#74
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Off shoring would be the correct term when employees still fall under parent companies payroll.

I probably should not have used the term outsourcing as this many times applies more to companies use temp workers or third party payroll companies.

Out-sourcing is just a way to avoid liabilities and benefits.
 
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#75
Now that the "felony" accusation blew up in the Dems faces. Their argument now is that Romney outsourced jobs.

If you're going to demonize people who outsource jobs, what about consumers who buy outsourced goods? You can't find a person in America who hasn't purchased a good that hasn't been outsourced. But If people refuse to purchase outsourced goods you wouldn't see so many jobs that are outsourced.

Democrats are such tools, they clamor for higher minimum wages, and then they are outraged when jobs get shipped overseas?? They know this, but are just completely disingenuous with the American people.

One last note... are these menial manufacturing jobs really what Americans should strive for?
 
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