Will Florida ever let FSU in the SEC?

#51
#51
It's all about money in one form or another in the end. If FSU could make a case they could benefit the SEC in this regard they'd get in I think.
 
#52
#52
Absent one of these super conference - playoff deals coming to fruition, I'm not sure it makes sense from FSU's perspective to join the SEC. FSU is on its way back, I would agree. But that is based on getting back to the top of the heap in the ACC. Getting back to national prominence, and then staying there, whilst playing in the SEC is an entirely different animal than doing so in the ACC.

All this talk of FSU being interested in the Big 12, or reconsidering earlier SEC ruminations, is simply FSU's way of trying to bargain for a bigger share of ACC $ during this annual spring gathering of the ACC schools.

FSU isn't going anywhere.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Hell I'd take USF Bulls over Mizzou!! I don't give a damn how much tv ratings the state of Missoura' brings, damn it they just don't fit!!
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usf woulda been sleeping giant if they got in the sec

tampa right in the middle of the state and its about the best city you could ask to live in as college kid titty bars galore and the beach and a ton of other entertainment
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
usf woulda been sleeping giant if they got in the sec

tampa right in the middle of the state and its about the best city you could ask to live in as college kid titty bars galore and the beach and a ton of other entertainment
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Agreed!
 
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bamawriter said:
Does Tennessee's football team still travel by bus or train? If not, I don't see how "fit" matters.
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Fit in culturally smart ass!! Im not even gonna get into it with you, I have my opinion and you have your. Now go get ready for your date with your first cousin Betty Lou from Altoona, Al.
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
usf woulda been sleeping giant if they got in the sec

tampa right in the middle of the state and its about the best city you could ask to live in as college kid titty bars galore and the beach and a ton of other entertainment
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And recruiting hot bed. Tampa is outstanding by the way lol
 
#60
#60
If we go to 16, I would like it to be Virginia Tech and Clemson. VT is a no brainer (tv , football school, etc). I have heard NC State's name thrown out a lot, but i would bet a substantial amount of cash that Clemson would bring in more NC football fans than any school in NC not named the Tarheels. (I mean, come on, they are less than 50 miles from the NC border). Plus, if we have a team in VA, East TN, and a South Carolina team that is that close, I don't think we have to have a team literally in the state of NC. I don't want to add teams just to add them, but adding these two would be best case scenario.
 
#61
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Coach Grizz said:
But they let mid west basketball school Mizzou in..... SMDH.
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Problem is Barn, UGA and UF are all within a few hours of Tallahassee. It wouldn't bring in any new TV sets and it would dilute the talent in the conference. They do get some great recruits, but being able to play in the SEC is a selling point they don't have.

If FSU were in the SEC, it would make them slightly better and drag everyone else down in the process.
 
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UTwild82 said:
If we go to 16, I would like it to be Virginia Tech and Clemson. VT is a no brainer (tv , football school, etc). I have heard NC State's name thrown out a lot, but i would bet a substantial amount of cash that Clemson would bring in more NC football fans than any school in NC not named the Tarheels. (I mean, come on, they are less than 50 miles from the NC border). Plus, if we have a team in VA, East TN, and a South Carolina team that is that close, I don't think we have to have a team literally in the state of NC. I don't want to add teams just to add them, but adding these two would be best case scenario.
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Getting one of the NC schools would be huge for the SEC, and the Charlotte-Greensboro-Raleigh triangle would be a massive upgrade in TV sets, but it ain't gonna happen.

1. Following is still piddly. NC State and Wake each draw in less revenue than every other SEC school. Dook and UNC bring in respectable amounts, but it's obviously the national branding of their basketball programs.
2. Duke and Wake would be the immediate and long-term cellar dwellers, NC State and UNC has made some strides for the ACC but none of the North Carolina schools are ready to be big boy football programs.
3. Their ability and frequent willingness to collude basically make them kingmakers in the ACC. I advise anybody who doesn't know to go read the story of why SCjr left the ACC in 1970. That long history basically has all four joined at the hip.
4. They've made the exit fees astronomical.
5. The ACC TV market is expanding. Granted, western PA and upstate New York are NFL markets through and through, but Pitt and Syracuse were nice gets.
 
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milohimself said:
Getting one of the NC schools would be huge for the SEC, and the Charlotte-Greensboro-Raleigh triangle would be a massive upgrade in TV sets, but it ain't gonna happen.

1. Following is still piddly. NC State and Wake each draw in less revenue than every other SEC school. Dook and UNC bring in respectable amounts, but it's obviously the national branding of their basketball programs.
2. Duke and Wake would be the immediate and long-term cellar dwellers, NC State and UNC has made some strides for the ACC but none of the North Carolina schools are ready to be big boy football programs.
3. Their ability and frequent willingness to collude basically make them kingmakers in the ACC. I advise anybody who doesn't know to go read the story of why SCjr left the ACC in 1970. That long history basically has all four joined at the hip.
4. They've made the exit fees astronomical.
5. The ACC TV market is expanding. Granted, western PA and upstate New York are NFL markets through and through, but Pitt and Syracuse were nice gets.
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Truth.
 
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milohimself said:
Getting one of the NC schools would be huge for the SEC, and the Charlotte-Greensboro-Raleigh triangle would be a massive upgrade in TV sets, but it ain't gonna happen.

1. Following is still piddly. NC State and Wake each draw in less revenue than every other SEC school. Dook and UNC bring in respectable amounts, but it's obviously the national branding of their basketball programs.
2. Duke and Wake would be the immediate and long-term cellar dwellers, NC State and UNC has made some strides for the ACC but none of the North Carolina schools are ready to be big boy football programs.
3. Their ability and frequent willingness to collude basically make them kingmakers in the ACC. I advise anybody who doesn't know to go read the story of why SCjr left the ACC in 1970. That long history basically has all four joined at the hip.
4. They've made the exit fees astronomical.
5. The ACC TV market is expanding. Granted, western PA and upstate New York are NFL markets through and through, but Pitt and Syracuse were nice gets.
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#65
#65
milohimself said:
Getting one of the NC schools would be huge for the SEC, and the Charlotte-Greensboro-Raleigh triangle would be a massive upgrade in TV sets, but it ain't gonna happen.

1. Following is still piddly. NC State and Wake each draw in less revenue than every other SEC school. Dook and UNC bring in respectable amounts, but it's obviously the national branding of their basketball programs.
2. Duke and Wake would be the immediate and long-term cellar dwellers, NC State and UNC has made some strides for the ACC but none of the North Carolina schools are ready to be big boy football programs.
3. Their ability and frequent willingness to collude basically make them kingmakers in the ACC. I advise anybody who doesn't know to go read the story of why SCjr left the ACC in 1970. That long history basically has all four joined at the hip.
4. They've made the exit fees astronomical.
5. The ACC TV market is expanding. Granted, western PA and upstate New York are NFL markets through and through, but Pitt and Syracuse were nice gets.
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agree
 
#66
#66
This came out from the FSU president yesterday, so thought maybe I'll put it here

I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:

1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be
$2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.

But, in contrast:

1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball - there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier
rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.

2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely
scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games - the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract - actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any
renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.

4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.

5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium

6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC - we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.

7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker - and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.

I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation
be governed by emotion - it has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.

Eric Barron
President
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#71
#71
give_him 6 said:
SEC is getting good, not great coverage here in KC since mizzou joined. Paul Finebaum (geez) is a regular guest on the local sports talk here, along with Clay Tray (double geez). I think the coverage is going to be pretty good here and would imagine it might be better in STL. Once Georgia and Alabama come around on the schedule for mizzou it will be heating up here. Lately the talk has been all about Free Shoes University and Clemson flirting with the Big 12.
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I think unfortunately for Mizzou, once UGA and Bama come in, the only thing that's going to happen is reality will set in. They're not a bad team, but they're not ready for the SEC. Not yet.
 
#72
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orangesox said:
I think unfortunately for Mizzou, once UGA and Bama come in, the only thing that's going to happen is reality will set in. They're not a bad team, but they're not ready for the SEC. Not yet.
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Mizzou will be middle of the road. They aren't as good as Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, etc. but they're ostensibly better than the Mississippi schools, Vandy and KY.
 
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