Will Meyers Option Offense....

#26
#26
Very well said. Defending the option is a lot less about physicality than it is about playing assignments. . . . but for some reason, it's a lot easier to play your assignement when you're strong and fast. :D

In the end, Florida's success will depend on the same 2 things that every other offense depends on: how well they are able to stretch the field and how well they are able to run for tough yards.
 
#27
#27
the option will get Leak killed IMO, he's a drop back passer period
 
#28
#28
I've been out of the loop on the Myer offense.

So, it's not a traditional option (e.g. Nebraska-style) with a full backfield but instead a single back, quick throw option?

My guess is that it will hit for big plays (esp. given UF's speed) but consistency will be the issue. I agree with GaVol and others that a key to defensive success will be assignments. I'm guessing there will be many 4 receiver sets with people running all kinds of crazy routes.

UT can be successful against this if we 1) get a consistent push with the D-line, 2) stay at home on the next two levels, and 3) stop the YAC (our biggest weakness last year). We have to punish the receivers on the short middle routes and hit Leak at every opportunity.

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#29
#29
Originally posted by NCGatorBait@May 1, 2005 4:01 PM
work in the toughest conference in the land?? Or will he be just an Urban Myth...your honest opinions please.
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To answer your original question,

I think this style will work MOST of the time. I have a feeling that UF fans will see big and exciting plays. The scoring is likely to return to Spurrier levels with some serious blow-outs.

On the other hand, I'd be concerned (if a UF fan) about time of possession and the ability to grind out a win. Even under Zook, you were winning 8 games so UM will do at least that good. It's hard to imagine hitting Spurrier era success without more of a power game. The lack of a ball control offense will put a lot of pressure on the D. One of the reasons Bama had such strong D numbers is the heavy reliance on the run. They generally dominated time of possession and limited the offensive opportunities for the opposition.

 
#30
#30
Originally posted by volinbham@May 2, 2005 12:06 PM
On the other hand, I'd be concerned (if a UF fan) about time of possession and the ability to grind out a win.
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Exactly . . . Their problem last year wasn't moving the ball, it was finishing games and getting tough yards. Somehow, I don't see 4 and 5 wide sets as a remedy to that problem. Quick strike Playstation offenses are fun to watch, but even Spurrier ran the ball as often as he threw it . . ..

Meyer has roots at Notre Dame and is obviously not an idiot. I'm sure he'll mix in a lot of conventional stuff . . . otherwise he'd run the risk of becoming another June Jones/Hal Mumme.
 
#31
#31
Mumme was an idiot, but I loved to watch him coach, you never knew what bonehead play he was gonna call next
 
#32
#32
Mumme's problem wasn't even his offense. He had a weird penchant for going for it on 4th down and faking punts from his own territory!?!?
 
#33
#33
Allen made alot of tackles because he is an All-SEC performer. We had a very green secondary last year. What do you expect? They will be better this year. How much? Well, we'll find out soon enough.

As for the original question...sure, Meyer's offense can work for 8 or 9 wins a year. will it be any different in the long than what Zook was doing? Who knows. You still have the same defense.
 
#34
#34
Originally posted by volinbham@May 2, 2005 10:53 AM
I've been out of the loop on the Myer offense.

So, it's not a traditional option (e.g. Nebraska-style) with a full backfield but instead a single back, quick throw option?
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It's the spread option with like you said 3 and 4 WR's and maybe even 5 sometimes.
 
#35
#35
Originally posted by volinbham+May 2, 2005 12:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (volinbham @ May 2, 2005 12:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NCGatorBait@May 1, 2005 4:01 PM
work in the toughest conference in the land?? Or will he be just an Urban Myth...your honest opinions please.
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To answer your original question,

I think this style will work MOST of the time. I have a feeling that UF fans will see big and exciting plays. The scoring is likely to return to Spurrier levels with some serious blow-outs.

On the other hand, I&#39;d be concerned (if a UF fan) about time of possession and the ability to grind out a win. Even under Zook, you were winning 8 games so UM will do at least that good. It&#39;s hard to imagine hitting Spurrier era success without more of a power game. The lack of a ball control offense will put a lot of pressure on the D. One of the reasons Bama had such strong D numbers is the heavy reliance on the run. They generally dominated time of possession and limited the offensive opportunities for the opposition. [/quote]
Nice post and I agree. I know for almost all the formations there is no fullback..but I&#39;m curious to see if he goes with one to run clock with a lead and grind it out...thanks for your opinions&#33; :cool:
 
#36
#36
Hmmmm....Nebraska used to run the option under Osborne and they absolutely crushed everyone (including UT on 2 seperate outings). They ran a QB sneak even though everyone knew it was coming and were able to pickup 25 yards a pop. The key is in having the personnel to execute that type offense. Nebraska outsized and out powered everyone in the league and used a brute-force approach...no surprises. A surprise for them was running left instead of right. I like to watch a good option offense, but I don&#39;t think Meyer has enough of one or the right personnel at this point to make it work for him.
 
#37
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Originally posted by KnoxKDX@May 2, 2005 7:04 PM
Hmmmm....Nebraska used to run the option under Osborne and they absolutely crushed everyone (including UT on 2 seperate outings). They ran a QB sneak even though everyone knew it was coming and were able to pickup 25 yards a pop. The key is in having the personnel to execute that type offense. Nebraska outsized and out powered everyone in the league and used a brute-force approach...no surprises. A surprise for them was running left instead of right. I like to watch a good option offense, but I don&#39;t think Meyer has enough of one or the right personnel at this point to make it work for him.
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Meyers option system is totally different than NU&#39;s. There is no fullback and on most formations there are 4 or 5 WR&#39;s.
 
#38
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait+May 2, 2005 6:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NCGatorBait @ May 2, 2005 6:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KnoxKDX@May 2, 2005 7:04 PM
Hmmmm....Nebraska used to run the option under Osborne and they absolutely crushed  everyone (including UT on 2 seperate outings).  They ran a QB sneak even though everyone knew it was coming and were able to pickup 25 yards a pop.  The key is in having the personnel to execute that type offense.  Nebraska outsized and out powered everyone in the league and used a brute-force approach...no surprises.  A surprise for them was running left instead of right.  I like to watch a good option offense, but I don&#39;t  think Meyer has enough of one or the right personnel at this point to make it work for him.
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Meyers option system is totally different than NU&#39;s. There is no fullback and on most formations there are 4 or 5 WR&#39;s. [/quote]
Yep, very different.

The Nebraska (old Oklahoma, wishbone, etc.) style forced defenses to bring everyone up. Then it was all about blocking assignments and defensive assignments. The big plays resulted from a "thin" defensive look and limited "depth" in the secondary. With everyone up and the defensive strung across the field, one gap could lead to a big run.

The pass option will keep defenses deeper than a run defense. The Mumme style was a dink and dunk - like an extreme version of the "west coast" offense. From what I&#39;m reading, Myer&#39;s approach is more like the Mumme approach.

Time will tell. But the truth is no one knows if it will work like it did in the Mountain West and MAC. One set of fans is hoping it does, every other set of fans is praying it doesn&#39;t :ph34r:
 
#39
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Originally posted by volmanjr@May 2, 2005 11:17 AM
Mumme was an idiot, but I loved to watch him coach, you never knew what bonehead play he was gonna call next
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I went to grad school at UK and accordingly have a soft spot for them. I agree with you about Mumme. Win or lose, it was going to be a wild one. Since you weren&#39;t looking for UK to win the SEC, any entertainment from the football team was a plus :lol:

I was there during the Curry era. Say what you will about Mumme (I agree he was a total moron), but anything beats the single wing that Curry was running&#33;&#33; :blink:
 
#40
#40
UM&#39;s offense requires his receivers to block downfield, also. I&#39;m not sure he has the best blocking wide outs for this scheme.
 
#41
#41
The option will get Leak injured

Meyer is another Jim Donan in progress. Won against 2nd tier teams and couldn&#39;t cut it playing upper tier teams at UGA. Not one of Meyer&#39;s 39 wins was against a top 20 team and only 2 were against top 30 teams. A rude awakening awaits young Urban.

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#42
#42
Meyer dominated Texas A&M only a little bit short of how we manhandled them, and he did it with far inferior talent than the boys in Knoxville. Urban treated the rest of the Mountain West teams and lesser D-IA teams as if it were a top program. Meyer led Utah to arguably it&#39;s second most successful season in the school&#39;s 112 year history, since their only other undefeated season in 1930 under Ike Armstrong.

The fact is, nobody knows with any degree of certainty how Urban Meyer will do. There is only speculation. I think we should be able to take him with our defensive speed, but don&#39;t be suprised to see Urban take 2nd place in the SEC East.
 
#43
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Originally posted by milohimself@May 3, 2005 9:50 PM
Meyer dominated Texas A&M only a little bit short of how we manhandled them, and he did it with far inferior talent than the boys in Knoxville. Urban treated the rest of the Mountain West teams and lesser D-IA teams as if it were a top program. Meyer led Utah to arguably it&#39;s second most successful season in the school&#39;s 112 year history, since their only other undefeated season in 1930 under Ike Armstrong.

The fact is, nobody knows with any degree of certainty how Urban Meyer will do. There is only speculation. I think we should be able to take him with our defensive speed, but don&#39;t be suprised to see Urban take 2nd place in the SEC East.
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And let&#39;s don&#39;t forget that Meyer lost to South Florida 29-7 on 11/16/02 while he was HBC of Bowling Green with that same offense

Meyer walking off field after losing at South Florida
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#44
#44
Originally posted by milohimself@May 3, 2005 9:50 PM
Meyer dominated Texas A&M only a little bit short of how we manhandled them, and he did it with far inferior talent than the boys in Knoxville. Urban treated the rest of the Mountain West teams and lesser D-IA teams as if it were a top program. Meyer led Utah to arguably it&#39;s second most successful season in the school&#39;s 112 year history, since their only other undefeated season in 1930 under Ike Armstrong.

The fact is, nobody knows with any degree of certainty how Urban Meyer will do. There is only speculation. I think we should be able to take him with our defensive speed, but don&#39;t be suprised to see Urban take 2nd place in the SEC East.
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Milo, same team but apples and oranges. Utah won that at the beginning of the year, we won at the end of the year. How many teams are in the same shape from beginning to end? More reason to believe in the uncertainty of the Meyer situation.
 
#45
#45
You can hype Meyers all you want but facts or facts he has not proven he can win in a Major conference.
 
#46
#46
He hasn&#39;t done anything to prove himself either way so people can&#39;t be acting like it&#39;s a given he&#39;s gonna get dominated in the SEC.
 
#47
#47
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#48
#48
Originally posted by #1 VOLFAN@May 4, 2005 10:41 PM
that wont work on TENNESSEE&#39;s DEFENSE way to fast for it
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Actually thats the reason it may work. The option creates mismatches and spacing. It also creates alot of overpursuit from the Defense. While it will not work at times..it&#39;s the big plays that could happen at anytime that you will have to worry about.
 
#49
#49
i agree with NC... i dont know why everyone thinks that Florida is gonna be so awful next year. they still have plenty of talent and will be a contender in the east. everyone says the Meyer is unproven, he cant win....well, he cant be worse then Zook. with that said, i dont think florida will be as bad as everyone thinks. they could be snoozing in the SEC.
 
#50
#50
Originally posted by NCGatorBait+May 4, 2005 9:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NCGatorBait @ May 4, 2005 9:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-#1 VOLFAN@May 4, 2005 10:41 PM
that wont work on TENNESSEE&#39;s DEFENSE way to fast for it
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Actually thats the reason it may work. The option creates mismatches and spacing. It also creates alot of overpursuit from the Defense. While it will not work at times..it&#39;s the big plays that could happen at anytime that you will have to worry about. [/quote]
That is true against weaker, slower teams but against the big boys of the SEC it will be slowed down a lot more.

You can point to the A&M and other games but as a whole the opponents were never there for anyone to really say how good his offense can be
 
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