Will Muschamp blasts NCAA for suspending DE Sharrif Floyd

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99gator said:
the kid received benefits from an organization.....

Student Athlete Mentoring S.A.M. Foundation nonprofit connecting athletes to college exposure

the organization makes it known publicly that they help kids with public donations. he received benefits from this organization to travel to various colleges for visits.

the kid and those who care for him were receiving help from something that they thought was legitimate and ok. the kid is so poor he can't afford to be broke. this was a way for him to go to the camps and colleges and he didn't know anything was wrong as it was out in the open and this organization is public with what they do.
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Then that sucks. The NCAA needs to be objective in a situation like this and let the kid play ball.
 
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here's the situation folks.

you have a kid in a michael oher type situation. he and the people taking care of him seek what they believe is a legitimate source of help in order to go visit colleges and participate in camps. in other words, they were clearly trying to do the right thing and thought they were doing the right thing.

they were open about what they did. the organization they went to was open about what they did.

over a year later (because keep in mind this happened in high school and floyd is a sophomore), the ncaa reacts to this.
 
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UGA insider said:
Is there something fishy about the charity/organization that helped him out?
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no, but to play devil's advocate, i do understand the ncaa's point of view.

what if this organization receives donations from florida boosters and georgia boosters and high profile kids receiving help from the organization magically go to florida and georgia.

so, i get it.

but, that wasn't the case here and an "investigation" is supposed to be able to flesh all of that out.
 
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Ok well havent heard this before.White folks trying to hold the black man down crap. The NCAA is racsist blah blah blah.
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NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off these players every year, it's exploitation at it's finest.
 
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SandoVOL said:
NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off these players every year, it's exploitation at it's finest.
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Aside from a free education, room and board... keep in mind the kind of coaching they are receiving. They're being coached by guys being paid millions to coach these kids. These kids aren't being forced to go to school... but the ones with pro ambition, where else are they going to receive that type of coaching?
 
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SandoVOL said:
NCAA makes hundreds of millions of dollars off these players every year, it's exploitation at it's finest.
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It's exploitation only for those kids who don't use the available resources scholarship athletes receive...resources that regular students don't have access to.

If you don't value a free education, then we're past the point of meaningful discussion. College football players, especially those at SEC schools, have it better than the majority of the student body. Period.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's exploitation only for those kids who don't use the available resources scholarship athletes receive...resources that regular students don't have access to.

If you don't value a free education, then we're past the point of meaningful discussion. College football players, especially those at SEC schools, have it better than the majority of the student body. Period.
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times 1 million.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Aside from a free education, room and board... keep in mind the kind of coaching they are receiving. They're being coached by guys being paid millions to coach these kids. These kids aren't being forced to go to school... but the ones with pro ambition, where else are they going to receive that type of coaching?
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The NCAA is not giving the kids an education, the schools are. That was my whole point.
 
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He didn't take money for cars,get free tats, clothes or pu$$y but used the money from his HS coaches and a Nonprofit to attend camps and AA combine. Jarvis Jones and Crowell had help from the parks and rec in Columbus but they didn't have to sit out games. Complete BS from the NCAA.

"Preferential treatment is how the NCAA tried to explain itself. What’s preferential about a poor kid from a rundown Philadelphia neighborhood accepting help from people who wanted him to go to San Antonio to play in the US Army All-American game? Did the University of Florida or any other school recruiting Sharrif participate in the raising of the funds that allowed Sharrif to go to this game? Of course they didn’t, and the NCAA even admits it." 24/7
 
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SandoVOL said:
The NCAA is not giving the kids an education, the schools are. That was my whole point.
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The schools are making all of the money that you are talking about and allegedly exploiting these kids.Alabamas football program made 60 million last year.I guess they should give it all to those poor exploited kids.
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Unfrozen Caveman said:
The schools are making all of the money that you are talking about and allegedly exploiting these kids.Alabamas football program made 60 million last year.I guess they should give it all to those poor exploited kids.
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The schools are giving something in return. Education, Coaching, chance to do something with their life. The NCAA is doing nothing but taking their chances at playing games away from them at the discretion of their own rule book.
 
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If the program was clean then it sucks for the guy but really he sat out 2 cupcakes so it will be fine in the end. Also how hard would it be to become a big donor to a program like this in a low income area with high ratios of studs so the kids could visit YOUR school and then in turn market that to potential recruits?

Also I do think right or wrong you need to be careful popping off at the NCAA. They suck, but they hold the cards.
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I don't get the arguments here. You can't do what happened in this case because the potential for enormous influence is there. If others did it, they should be suspended as well.
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't get the arguments here. You can't do what happened in this case because the potential for enormous influence is there. If others did it, they should be suspended as well.
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Yes, if everyone continues to abide by the NCAA way of ruling, yes he needed to be suspended.
 
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Jarvis Jones was given money from his mentor/money raised by the Columbus Park n Rec to visit USC and attend a few camps but Floyd does the samething and has to sit out two games... AJ Green sells his jersey and has to sit out 4 games but Cam Newton doesn't get anything because he "didn't know"....NCAA is F.O.S
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't get the arguments here. You can't do what happened in this case because the potential for enormous influence is there. If others did it, they should be suspended as well.
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But he's poor. So there's that...
 
#48
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cry me a ****ing river. boo hoo.

muschamp and sharrif should shut the **** up and be thankful he's coming back when he is.

Also, how in the hell can you accept Pell Grant money - and give it to someone else for their expenses? That doesn't sound legal
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't get the arguments here. You can't do what happened in this case because the potential for enormous influence is there. If others did it, they should be suspended as well.
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I think that the criticism is that this outfit did things like bake sales and car washes to raise funds to then pay for bus tickets, food, things of that nature for underprivileged kids to go on these campus visits. It was out in the open and in fact advertised. I've seen nothing suggesting that it pointed the kids in any particular direction, which is what you seem to be worried most about (and I understand that).

To me, this organization that raises money and spends it like this is THE FREAKIN ANTIDOTE to the real problem, which is the agents, the underhanded coaches, the "recruiters" who are out there giving these kids with nothing all sorts of gear and money that they never had.

SAM is the antithesis of that and its a shame that the NCAA is basically saying that if you are poor and live in a friend's basement, then screw you, you aren't allowed to take even a bus ticket somewhere through a public organization with no interest in where you go.

By all accounts, the outrage here from Muschamp, Floyd's high school coach, and others connected to the situation is real. And accurate.
 
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golfballs03 said:
cry me a ****ing river. boo hoo.

muschamp and sharrif should shut the **** up and be thankful he's coming back when he is.

Also, how in the hell can you accept Pell Grant money - and give it to someone else for their expenses? That doesn't sound legal
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Pell Grant money can be used to pay for classes, books, living expenses. In the case of a scholarship athlete, it is usually used to pay for things like:
1) flat tires on yer bike
2) Moped/Scooters
3) dinner out with the fellas a few times
4) rent during summer (to hold the house you rent during school)
5) hookers
6) Travel for family to see you play
d) grandmaw has to eat

I dont have a problem with the Pell Grant thing. I think more players need to apply for them. If your family is broke, they are broke. I know it would suck to send my kid to a school and then not be able to afford to eat.

As for the issue that has him suspended: I agree with tNCAA that rules are rules, and they are in place to guard against the SMU's and MiHammy's of the world. But just like in the Michael Oher (spelling?) case, sometimes you have to actually investigate where the money came from, what was the intent behind it, and was it actually good intentions, or boosters being boosters. If it all comes out clean, you have to let it go.

My cousins is a pastor at a church in Gainesville. Several players at his church every week. On weeks that they have a pot luck lunch afterwards there are usually 2x the amount of players. Is this an illegal gift?

(Im not dumb enough to name the church!!)

I dont see a problem with it.
 
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