Will the real Trayvon Martin please stand up?

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OrangeEmpire said:
I do know, you are a cowardly bigot who skirts those views with his beliefs.
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How am I a coward? Who am I scared of? What am I scared of? Have you met me before? So how would you know? How am I a bigot? Because I am aware of the racist history of the United States? -- You have greatly overstepped your bounds now. You should call me a coward when I am standing in front of you. Then you can find out for yourself instead. Internet tough guys are funny.
 
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PimpVol said:
How am I a coward? Who am I scared of? What am I scared of? Have you met me before? So how would you know? How am I a bigot? Because I am aware of the racist history of the United States? -- You have greatly overstepped your bounds now. You should call me a coward when I am standing in front of you. Then you can find out for yourself instead. Internet tough guys are funny.
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Ironic.........:whistling: just sayin
 
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PimpVol said:
Have you checked out Zimmerman's past, or just piling on.
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Actually, being overseas, I have the luxury of not being exposed to the media coverage and getting caught up in the hysteria. I am about as third party and level-headed as they come with this case. The perfect juror.

To address your post directly, Hume eloquently articulated the problem of induction. It is a nasty trap. Don't let yourself fall victim.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I hope you never make it onto my (or anyone I care about) jury. There is a little thing the Supreme Court adopted from English Common Law which reads:



Sadly, on message boards when posters get to hide behind keyboards, the opposite is exercised.
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I hope to not get jury duty too. But if I did, I would not vote to falsely convict an innocent person. Why you think I would is puzzling. Who and what am I hiding from? I live in Nashville Tennesee and my family pics are in the put a face with a screen name thread. Come see me.
 
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PimpVol said:
I hope to not get jury duty too. But if I did, I would not vote to falsely convict an innocent person.
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except that in this thread you've already convicted a person of murder without using any evidence
 
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PimpVol said:
Just saying what? Dude called me a coward. How does he know if that is true? From posts on VN? The best way to determine that is face to face, or, in this case, face to chest. But whatever you say.
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Just found it ironic you were calling someone out and doing the same exact thing. Its a messageboard, you might be taking it a bit too seriously and plaing right into the "internet tough guy" role in which you were condeming. But carry on the fight I suppose
 
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PimpVol said:
I hope to not get jury duty too. But if I did, I would not vote to falsely convict an innocent person. Why you think I would is puzzling. Who and what am I hiding from? I live in Nashville Tennesee and my family pics are in the put a face with a screen name thread. Come see me.
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utvolpj said:
except that in this thread you've already convicted a person of murder without using any evidence
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Thank you PJ. He completely missed the point.
 
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PimpVol said:
The evidence is that a kid going home is stopped, shot and killed by a vigilante/neighborhood watchmen for no reason.
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Media reports and evidence are two different things. What evidence is there at this point that you are privy to that says this happened?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Just found it ironic you were calling someone out and doing the same exact thing. Its a messageboard, you might be taking it a bit too seriously and plaing right into the "internet tough guy" role in which you were condeming. But carry on the fight I suppose
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Really? Did I call him punk or a coward or a bigot? **** no. That was all on him.
 
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PimpVol said:
There was no point. Guess you missed that.
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You mean you missed the point that you are clamoring that you wouldnt vote to falsely convict an innocent person.....but yet you have already convicted the guy without a shred of any evidence other than what you have heard on TMZ?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Media reports and evidence are two different things. What evidence is there at this point that you are privy to that says this happened?
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Evidence? The boy should be back at home by now, as it has been over a month since he left for the store. He is not at home. Where is he, you say? The cemetary. Why, you say? Because he was killed by a man driving down the street. What evidence is there that TM was trying to kill Zimmerman with his Skittles? What evidence is there that points to TM having any intent of harming Z in his car? None. What evidence is there to state that Z had to get out of his car with a loaded gun to perform the duties of the FDLE (of which he was not a member)? What crime was he scared that TM was going to commit? What crime did TM actually commit? Looks like all he was doing was walking while black to me. And that gives you the right to stop a kid and check him out huh? This a murder until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.
 
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VolsByNature said:
Bottom line Trayvon would be alive if Zimmerman would have stayed away.

This is what would make up the majority of the complaint against Zimmerman but the big problem with that is there's nothing, and I mean NOTHING that's been presented, in any form of evidence, suggests anything actually illegal about Zimmerman's conduct. To put a finer point on it, "following someone" in public is not, in and of itself, illegal. (Barring restraining order issues, etc)

Also can anyone explain where it says in the 'stand your ground' law, at what point are you allowed to actually follow anyone?

SYG (or No Duty To Retreat, which I think better expresses the intent) really isn't about "allowed" to follow or not. The point of NDTR is entirely based on reaction to attack. Two things here; first it's already been brought up by the guys that fathered incorporating NDTR that following someone in a manner that leads to a confrontation isn't what they had in mind. In this particular case though IF Martin jumped Zimmerman "blitz" style there would seem to be precious little issue about NDTR.

From Trayvons point of view, he had every right to defend himself if he felt he was being followed, which Zimmerman admitted to. Then we have the alleged confrontation that Zimmerman tells, but sadly we can't get Martins side of the story
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As to your last part the only way that really works is if you accept the idea that "being followed" is legal justification for what would otherwise be assault. Have you really thought through the ramifications of this approach? I can't state Zimmerman didn't act in such a way that Martin thought he needed to attack in his own defense but there's certainly nothing released as far as evidence that supports that to this point that I'm aware of.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You mean you missed the point that you are clamoring that you wouldnt vote to falsely convict an innocent person.....but yet you have already convicted the guy without a shred of any evidence other than what you have heard on TMZ?
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I did not 'clamor' that I would not falsely vote to convict a person of a crime. Never would either. This Zimmerman character is guilty of a senseless killing in my opinion. What is TMZ? Too many Zealots?
 
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PimpVol said:
Evidence? The boy should be back at home by now, as it has been over a month since he left for the store. He is not at home. Where is he, you say? The cemetary. Why, you say? Because he was killed by a man driving down the street. What evidence is there that TM was trying to kill Zimmerman with his Skittles? What evidence is there that points to TM having any intent of harming Z in his car? None. What evidence is there to state that Z had to get out of his car with a loaded gun to perform the duties of the FDLE (of which he was not a member)? What crime was he scared that TM was going to commit? What crime did TM actually commit? Looks like all he was doing was walking while black to me. And that gives you the right to stop a kid and check him out huh? This a murder until evidence is presented to prove otherwise.
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Last time I checked, its the other way around. Innocent until proven guilty right? Oh, its different since the victim is black.............
 
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possumslayer said:
yep ,he attacked someone .
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Sweet. Let's head down to Florida. I will shove you, spit in your face and call you a douche. You can beat my ass until the point of fearing for my life and I'm now free to shoot you. Who cares if I instigated, was just defending myself.

You're a piece of trash and I feel bad for anyone who associates with you. Your attitude towards death and making a mockery is just as bad. You say and I quote, "The punk is gone let it go". You're the real punk. You stand for nothing and make a mockery of living life. You're truly disgusting.
 
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PimpVol said:
I did not 'clamor' that I would not falsely vote to convict a person of a crime. Never would either.
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PimpVol said:
This Zimmerman character is guilty of a senseless killing in my opinion.
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lawgator1 said:
Orlando Sentinel weighing in on effort by one side to paint the kid as inherently harmless, the other side to demonize him.

Trayvon Martin new photos: New photos spark online debate - Orlando Sentinel

Both sides at fault, imo.
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More so the guy who thought he was a cop and sat around looking for odd stuff. Seriously, how often do you spot someone doing something wrong just by looking at him? The dude was following a kid, got his ass kicked and then shot him because he's a wuss with no life. Loser wasn't even good enough to be one of the many cops across the country. Guy had no life.
 
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PimpVol said:
I did not 'clamor' that I would not falsely vote to convict a person of a crime. Never would either. This Zimmerman character is guilty of a senseless killing in my opinion. What is TMZ? Too many Zealots?
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So lets just make a conviction based on what we have heard on tv. **** all the right to a fair trial and the rest of that bull****. Im not saying he is guilty or not guilty right now, because there just simply hasnt been any evidence presented that this is murder. But hey, maybe one day they will convict someone due to the opinion of people instead of the actual examination of evidence.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Orlando Sentinel weighing in on effort by one side to paint the kid as inherently harmless, the other side to demonize him.

Trayvon Martin new photos: New photos spark online debate - Orlando Sentinel

Both sides at fault, imo.
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Agree, but I want to ask a serious question. In no-BS court how much impact do "goes to character" arguments make? In actually deciding cases what is the relevance?

Feel free to speculate on what, if any, such arguments may have on this case.
 
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BearCat204 said:
So lets just make a conviction based on what we have heard on tv. **** all the right to a fair trial and the rest of that bull****. Im not saying he is guilty or not guilty right now, because there just simply hasnt been any evidence presented that this is murder. But hey, maybe one day they will convict someone due to the opinion of people instead of the actual examination of evidence.
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Even if they show evidence, why was OJ let off? Casey Anthony? Michael Jackson... evidence at times is overrated. Two of three were definitely guilty.

I agree people shouldn't be unfairly convicted but anymore, giving them time to prepare is just some b.s. loopholes. "Look, the glove doesn't fit" as OJ Simpson spreads his fingers apart and doesn't even try to put the glove on. Must acquit...

Gonna go stalk some people in Florida now. After they fight back, I'm free to kill even though I brought it on myself.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Even if they show evidence, why was OJ let off? Casey Anthony? Michael Jackson... evidence at times is overrated. Two of three were definitely guilty.

I agree people shouldn't be unfairly convicted but anymore, giving them time to prepare is just some b.s. loopholes. "Look, the glove doesn't fit" as OJ Simpson spreads his fingers apart and doesn't even try to put the glove on. Must acquit...

Gonna go stalk some people in Florida now. After they fight back, I'm free to kill even though I brought it on myself.
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Do you know for a fact that this is what took place?
 
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