Will the SEC expand?

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daj2576 said:
You do know that Down the Field is from Yale, right? We didn't create it, we "borrowed" it from them...
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Nope, I did not know. Knoxville school system (Fulton)didn't learn me that one. I feel much more edumacated now. Thank you.
Well, at least we "borrowed" it from Yale and not Commie U Harvard :wink2:

Go Vols !!!!!
 
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knoxvols1 said:
I remember when the SEC tried to get Miami and Fla St to join just prior to USC and Arky.
Posted via VolNation Mobile[/QU From what I can remember Miami andd Fla St didn't want in because even then the SEC was to competative. It was said SEC schools beat each other up too much during the season.
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knoxvols1 said:
knoxvols1 said:
I remember when the SEC tried to get Miami and Fla St to join just prior to USC and Arky.
Posted via VolNation Mobile[/QU From what I can remember Miami andd Fla St didn't want in because even then the SEC was to competative. It was said SEC schools beat each other up too much during the season.
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There's some articles about FSU after their choice to join the ACC...it'd take me a while to find them though
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WeldVol said:
FSU and Oklahoma
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Maybe the former but the presidents/league still harbor ill-feelings towards their turning down the SEC's offer previously...it's hard to tell just how much though, however the last line of realignment could be of some indication



OU unfortunately looks down a bit at the conference, doesn't want to go anywhere without Ok St (by choice), and - if the last 2-3 years are of any indication - they're much more interested in trying to reach out towards the LA market (and others) of the Pac-12 than they are towards our direction.
 
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FSU and Miami were cowards and thought that they could win their respective conferences (ACC and Big East) year in and year out, rather than fighting it out in a much more competitive SEC...

Both would jump at the opportunity today if offered. Only FSU makes sense in my opinion, but neither are AAU members, which I think makes a huge difference in the eyes of the SEC school presidents and chancellors.

Both A&M and Mizzou are AAU members. WVU is not, which might have been the deciding factor in adding Mizzou over WVU...

See here: Association of American Universities
 
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TrueOrange said:
Maybe the former but the presidents/league still harbor ill-feelings towards their turning down the SEC's offer previously...it's hard to tell just how much though, however the last line of realignment could be of some indication



OU unfortunately looks down a bit at the conference, doesn't want to go anywhere without Ok St (by choice), and - if the last 2-3 years are of any indication - they're much more interested in trying to reach out towards the LA market (and others) of the Pac-12 than they are towards our direction.
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Never the less OU would be a very welcome addition in my book. Texas would have been as well except they are like Notre Dame (full of themselves). Now if you want to add a decent Tv market what about Indiana?
 
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dcgators said:
FSU and Miami were cowards and thought that they could win their respective conferences (ACC and Big East) year in and year out, rather than fighting it out in a much more competitive SEC...

Both would jump at the opportunity today if offered. Only FSU makes sense in my opinion, but neither are AAU members, which I think makes a huge difference in the eyes of the SEC school presidents and chancellors.

Both A&M and Mizzou are AAU members. WVU is not, which might have been the deciding factor in adding Mizzou over WVU...

See here: Association of American Universities
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that and several others things, yes, played a factor

AAU helped (based on how slive's talked it up after the additions, possibly quite a bit...especially with how WVU compares academically and somewhat what it did to the conference's relative view), being the state school of two large markets the SEC didn't own really helped...some location things and how it kind of creates a barrier from the Big 10 expanding south likely helped


...there were some more I think, but it's been over a year since all the discussion of their addition and it's pros (or cons)
 
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tshadow said:
Never the less OU would be a very welcome addition in my book. Texas would have been as well except they are like Notre Dame (full of themselves). Now if you want to add a decent Tv market what about Indiana?
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I'm sure multiple people/fans would like them, problem just is it has to be mutual


IU won't leave the Big 10.
 
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i agree with your post above...

yes, of course expanding into new markets and putting up a defensive barrier against the B1G made sense...

but WVU had too many negatives: small market, small state, non-existent TV market, as well as some pluses such as their rabid fan base, and the somewhat proximity to the DC market (but not really). what did them in ultimately imo is the fact that Mizzou was an AAU member.

there is no doubt that A&M was our primary target and we would have jumped all over a Texas and A&M combo (both AAU members by the way), but in the end the Longhorn Network was a deal killer...
 
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dcgators said:
i agree with your post above...

yes, of course expanding into new markets and putting up a defensive barrier against the B1G made sense...

but WVU had too many negatives: small market, small state, non-existent TV market, as well as some pluses such as their rabid fan base, and the somewhat proximity to the DC market (but not really). what did them in ultimately imo is the fact that Mizzou was an AAU member.

there is no doubt that A&M was our primary target and we would have jumped all over a Texas and A&M combo (both AAU members by the way), but in the end the Longhorn Network was a deal killer...
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Oh I completely agree WVU had too many negatives (you're also forgetting that UK is even rated as a...well better institution comparatively)...(though also, rabid fanbase wasn't likely an actual consideration of the presidents and conference commish....especially one of that quality)

And the AAU status from Missouri certainly helped their application


Also, though, it wasn't so much that the Longhorn network was a killer deal, as it was that Texas-Austin - during any of these rounds of expansion - really showed little to no interest in the SEC (especially since it wanted more say in a conference - like it currently had in the big 12 - as well as, later during the second round, the ability to not share their LHN money...which served as the deal-breaker with the Pac-12 talks)
 
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well, UTex does love being the bully in the BIG12 so they would not relish being just another school in the SEC...

and they did not like the idea of being forced into anything by their little ugly stepbrother A&M.

of course, the joke seems to be on them if A&M starts thriving in the SEC while UTex struggles to win more than 3 games a year in the BIG12...
 
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dcgators said:
well, UTex does love being the bully in the BIG12 so they would not relish being just another school in the SEC...

and they did not like the idea of being forced into anything by their little ugly stepbrother A&M.

of course, the joke seems to be on them if A&M starts thriving in the SEC while UTex struggles to win more than 3 games a year in the BIG12...
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Remember the choice of colleges that are added to the S.E.C. don't necessarily make logical sense but the choice will be based on t.v. impact. Houston, N.Y., Miami, Los Angeles, St. Louis area, D.C. area, Raleigh/Durham area, etc.

Not Clemson, West Virginia, Southern Miss, Louisville, etc. Those are small t.v. markets..... THose teams can't enhance the S.E.C. They bring no new revenue to the table for the S.E.C...

$ $ $ $ $ from t.v. networks is what it is all about
 
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Rudy123 said:
Remember the choice of colleges that are added to the S.E.C. don't necessarily make logical sense but the choice will be based on t.v. impact. Houston, N.Y., Miami, Los Angeles, St. Louis area, D.C. area, Raleigh/Durham area, etc.

Not Clemson, West Virginia, Southern Miss, Louisville, etc. Those are small t.v. markets..... THose teams can't enhance the S.E.C. They bring no new revenue to the table for the S.E.C...

$ $ $ $ $ from t.v. networks is what it is all about
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i agree. which is why i mentioned UVA and UNC... i don't know that the SEC is ready to go to the west coast or anywhere north of DC...

yes the TV market in SoCal and NYC is lucrative but it's a bit of a stretch geographically. like the Big East adding San Diego State and Boise State...

We're not THAT desperate... i think we're happy with being the SEC, with a viable PAC12, B1G and ACC. Oh and the Big12 too if Texas doesn't keep pissing off the other member schools, especially OU...
 
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dcgators said:
i agree. which is why i mentioned UVA and UNC... i don't know that the SEC is ready to go to the west coast or anywhere north of DC...

yes the TV market in SoCal and NYC is lucrative but it's a bit of a stretch geographically. like the Big East adding San Diego State and Boise State...

We're not THAT desperate... i think we're happy with being the SEC, with a viable PAC12, B1G and ACC. Oh and the Big12 too if Texas doesn't keep pissing off the other member schools, especially OU...
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(I'm not in support of what/how Texas does things in that conference...at all)


If OU could go where they wanted to without Texas though, they'd probably already be in the Pac-12 (remember the reason their application essentially fell through was Texas's negotiations; they were pretty much seen as / working through the angle of "we can bring Texas with us")...problem seems to be (possibly sadly for them) that as much as they may or might like Texas, OU needs them...unless they want to (in their view) "settle"

And the others in that conference...not sure they have anywhere else to go really; the other remaining schools don't seem to offer terribly much value to any of the other major conferences
 
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i agree however remember that everyone thought that A&M would do whatever Texas said, or go wherever they went...

if UT keeps pissing off OU, the Sooners could also say sayonara Bevo and hello to the SEC because we would take them without Texas, unlike the PAC12...
 
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and we would provide a natural rival for A&M... would it be funny if the red river rivalry switched to A&M vs. OU... how pissed would Bevo be... :):):)
 
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dcgators said:
i agree however remember that everyone thought that A&M would do whatever Texas said, or go wherever they went...

if UT keeps pissing off OU, the Sooners could also say sayonara Bevo and hello to the SEC because we would take them without Texas, unlike the PAC12...
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A&M's relationship with Texas was much different than OU's, was it not?



Part of the problem, however, is that - even were the option on the table for them - they really don't want to be part of this conference...the powers that be there kind of look down their noses at the conference

(/ some suggestion seems to be...how to best put this...that their idea or view is that the conference much inferior academically and/or could hurt the image they want their university to have - whether that's right or wrong there, this seems to be what they've given off with regards to the matter for the most part...part of the reason in turn that they want in the Pac-12, along with entrance into L.A.)


While it could be used, it'd also be a hard bluff to make if they're not actually willing to take that jump...possibly it'd be nothing more than one since they've shown in the past they don't want to be part of this conference (even with an at-the-time unstable big 12) (and also while their conference is still making the money of 12 teams only divided relatively among 10 instead)
 
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uh... i don't buy the academic argument. it's not like the Big12 is the B1G or PAC12...

the OU - Texas relationship is nothing like what UT - A&M used to be. however now that A&M isn't around to be bossed by Bevo, OU does not like being treated like UT's ugly step sibling...

but beating the crap out of Bevo in the red river rivalry makes it a little more bearable... ;)
 
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dcgators said:
uh... i don't buy the academic argument. it's not like the Big12 is the B1G or PAC12...

the OU - Texas relationship is nothing like what UT - A&M used to be. however now that A&M isn't around to be bossed by Bevo, OU does not like being treated like UT's ugly step sibling...

but beating the crap out of Bevo in the red river rivalry makes it a little more bearable... ;)
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I'm not saying it's right or even correct for that matter (I couldn't tell you exactly what they've been thinking); I'm just saying that since the start of the expansion/realignment movements they've (the president, board, etc) pretty much just looked down their noses at the idea of a move to the SEC...and that doesn't look like it's changed


(and it wasn't that the Big 12 was academically prestigious, but that there's something about the Pac-12 that - through association - seems to appeal much more to their powers that be than their current situation (why they tried to move before getting turned down) or even an SEC move (they instead chose to sign off on that 13 year grant of rights and be #2 in command in that conference than find some other way out))
 
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i think the academic thing is a convenient excuse/cover for OU.

bottom line is that if A&M can join the SEC as a prestigious AAU member and leave behind 3 other AAU members (Texas, Kansas and Iowa State), then OU should have no issue joining the SEC either with currently 4 AAU schools (UF, Vandy, A&M and Mizzou)...

it's not like we are the WAC or something... :p
 
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