Will there be football in 2020?

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FBtime said:
If you're 65+, obese or have diabetes then by all means, stay at home! The chance a healthy person dies from Covid is extremely low. 94% of covid related hospitalizations in NY had at least one underlying health issue. Minnesota said that nearly ALL of their deaths involved at least one underlying health issue. Healthy people have a better chance to die in a car wreck on their way to the game than from contracting covid.
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So far in the US, the chance of contracting COVID is about 1/300. More than 1/300 die on their way to a ballgame?
 
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Wireless1 said:
We don’t know that. We know for the flu but we do not have complete factual data for CoVid
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We really don't know how many people die from the flu each year. The CDC says right on their site they really don't know how many people die from the flu, so they basically just models to estimate. Here are the reasons why...

"First, states are not required to report individual flu illnesses or deaths among people older than 18 years of age to CDC. Second, influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Sensitive influenza tests are only likely to detect influenza if performed within a week after onset of illness. In addition, some commonly used tests to diagnose influenza in clinical settings are not highly sensitive and can provide false negative results (i.e. they misdiagnose flu illness as not being flu.) For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates. These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the United States and other countries use statistical and mathematical models to estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths.

Frequently Asked Questions about Estimated Flu Burden | CDC
 
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BeardedVol said:
It's because you don't understand the nature of influenza, which has an incubation period of 1-4 days, and causes visible symptoms in nearly 100% of those infected, and of which we have a yearly vaccination program for.

In spite of that, flu still infects 35-50 million Americans annually, but there are still only 35-50 thousand deaths. Giving it a mortality rate of ~.09%.

That's what vaccine-based herd immunity looks like when you have a virulent pathogen that is easily spread.

The current US mortality rate of COVID 19 is 1.3%.

Covid 19 is not the flu.
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The mortality rate is going to continue to drop as testing increases and more positive cases are detected. Right now based on the %'s, you are right it is not the FLU however the number will probably fall in line with the FLU when all is said and done. Now there are also signs of the Virus weakening through a process all viruses go through known as Muller's Ratchet, which would mean through this process and herd immunity this might not even be a thing next year. Also just like with covid it is possible to be asymptomatic with the flu, so the viruses are comparable in a lot of ways.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
The mortality rate is going to continue to drop as testing increases and more positive cases are detected. Right now based on the %'s, you are right it is not the FLU however the number will probably fall in line with the FLU when all is said and done. Now there are also signs of the Virus weakening through a process all viruses go through known as Muller's Ratchet, which would mean through this process and herd immunity this might not even be a thing next year. Also just like with covid it is possible to be asymptomatic with the flu, so the viruses are comparable in a lot of ways.
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Feel free to cite the research suggesting as such. The study being cited by Fox News and the Washington Post, is this one:

https://jvi.asm.org/content/jvi/early/2020/04/30/JVI.00711-20.full.pdf

It in no way suggests that "the virus is weakening", it merely shows that genetic deletion is possible with covid 19, the outcome of that deletion is unknown as to if it will result in a less-virulent strain.
 
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Dumbledorange said:
I understand your need to make comparisons (COVID and Cars) between things that have no comparability, except in your mind, but the rest of us look at posts like yours and say, under our breaths, "His parents must have been doofuses."
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The first 4 letters of your name are especially fitting. I used deaths by car wrecks since I doubt anyone worries about dying in a car wreck going to a football game and the odds are probably about the same or lower that healthy people will contract AND die from covid at a football game in the Fall.
 
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FBtime said:
The first 4 letters of your name are especially fitting. I used deaths by car wrecks since I doubt anyone worries about dying in a car wreck going to a football game and the odds are probably about the same or lower that healthy people will contract AND die from covid at a football game in the Fall.
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FBtime said:
The first 4 letters of your name are especially fitting. I used deaths by car wrecks since I doubt anyone worries about dying in a car wreck going to a football game and the odds are probably about the same or lower that healthy people will contract AND die from covid at a football game in the Fall.
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Cites for your "evidential statistics"? None.

Pshaw, whodathunkit.
 
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#362
Let the arrests begin...

"We didn’t do this to break the law. We didn’t do it to be malicious," Starr told Denver7 on Wednesday. "(The closure) was supposed to be two weeks, then another two weeks, then another two weeks."

Yet it was law-breaking, it is malicious, it is selfishness to the nth degree.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
The mortality rate is going to continue to drop as testing increases and more positive cases are detected. Right now based on the %'s, you are right it is not the FLU however the number will probably fall in line with the FLU when all is said and done. Now there are also signs of the Virus weakening through a process all viruses go through known as Muller's Ratchet, which would mean through this process and herd immunity this might not even be a thing next year. Also just like with covid it is possible to be asymptomatic with the flu, so the viruses are comparable in a lot of ways.
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Muller's Ratchet?

Why do we still get strep throat, Mono, colds, flu, HIV, pneumonia, bladder infections from E. coli? I could name a couple hundred more off the top of my head. It's because it either a lame theory or doesn't apply to human infectious diseases.

The same argument could be made that the virus could get more virulent (stronger) by accumulating certain mutations.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Feel free to cite the research suggesting as such.
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It's pretty simple math, we already know this virus doesn't kill at a very high rate and with the anitbody test improving we don't know how many could have already had this vs. how many have passed away. As of right this very second there are 1.3 Mil people in the US who have been effected and 78248 have passed away, lets say just for giggles that 30% of the US population has already been unknowingly infected ( which is entirely possible with the majority of people being asymptomatic ) that would mean roughly 90 Mil people have already been infected so that would put the death rate in the US well below the 1% and make the virus a non factor. Now is any of this set in stone? No, it's all incomplete just like all the articles you link here because the numbers are still changing as we have a small sample size. However this virus appears to be a lot less of a factor as originally thought.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Muller's Ratchet?

Why do we still get strep throat, Mono, colds, flu, HIV, pneumonia, bladder infections from E. coli? I could name a couple hundred more off the top of my head. It's because it either a lame theory or doesn't apply to human infectious diseases.

The same argument could be made that the virus could get more virulent (stronger) by accumulating certain mutations.
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Argue with him, not me
Doctors react to study revealing COVID-19 mutations may be weakening: ‘This is virology 101’
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
It's pretty simple math, we already know this virus doesn't kill at a very high rate and with the anitbody test improving we don't know how many could have already had this vs. how many have passed away. As of right this very second there are 1.3 Mil people in the US who have been effected and 78248 have passed away, lets say just for giggles that 30% of the US population has already been unknowingly infected ( which is entirely possible with the majority of people being asymptomatic ) that would mean roughly 90 Mil people have already been infected so that would put the death rate in the US well below the 1% and make the virus a non factor. Now is any of this set in stone? No, it's all incomplete just like all the articles you link here because the numbers are still changing as we have a small sample size. However this virus appears to be a lot less of a factor as originally thought.
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Just more speculation.

Please show some source that even remotely suggests that 30% of the US population, has already been exposed to the virus.

You are basing all of your statements on whimsical fantasies that you are telling yourself to feel better about the reality of the situation.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Just more speculation.

Please show some source that even remotely suggests that 30% of the US population, has already been exposed to the virus.

You are basing all of your statements on whimsical fantasies that you are telling yourself to feel better about the reality of the situation.
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Can you process anything you read? I said for giggles, meaning in theory but you are such a pompous a$$ you take everything literal. You and drumledick run around telling everyone if they leave their house they're going to die but I guess at least you arent saying or at least I havent seen you say they deserve to die or wish death upon them like drumledick does. You are seriously incapable of having a conversation with anyone who doesn't share the same opinion or hypothesis as you because you are so insecure that you have to be right no matter the cost.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
So far in the US, the chance of contracting COVID is about 1/300. More than 1/300 die on their way to a ballgame?
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Why do you continue to use statistics that do not represent the issue being discussed? You keep pulling some info that is a miniscule area of what is being discussed and distorts the actual discussion. It has to be on purpose because you keep doing it.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Can you process anything you read? I said for giggles, meaning in theory but you are such a pompous a$$ you take everything literal. You and drumledick run around telling everyone if they leave their house they're going to die but I guess at least you arent saying or at least I havent seen you say they deserve to die or wish death upon them like drumledick does. You are seriously incapable of having a conversation with anyone who doesn't share the same opinion or hypothesis as you because you are so insecure that you have to be right no matter the cost.
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This is an example of getting triggered. Millennial probably.
 
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