Will this solve things?

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#27
DOA...would not fix anything. What a damn mess we're in. Want NIL get yourself an agent kid. Give players a per diem for practicing, games, etc sure but putting them on the payroll is too much. Be happy that IRS hasn't figured out to tax that scholarship.
 
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GAVol said:
The biggest sin of the NCAA is perpetuating a business model where they made insane profit while hiding behind amateurism. Every reform I've seen is basically an attempt to turn back the clock to a time that can no longer legally exist.
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How is that working out btw?
 
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Boca Vol said:
When has the government ever made anything better? Politicians are always about doing what makes sense....I mean making $$$$ for them!
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Ahh, the old, "the government is always bad" mantra. Brought to you by the fear-mongers who are running for positions in government...then, once elected, set out to prove that government is inherently bad.

Might be time we try electing people who believe in using their governmental authority to do good. We are, after all, a democratic representative republic...our government is simply who we choose to elect.
 
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If you cap players $s, then cap coaches $s, and oh by the way cap ticket prices and $s the institutions make as well. Stop trying to institute various forms of limited Marxism for one group and then the other group run dog eat dog capitalism for their families.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Real NIL cannot be regulated. That will always be the Wild West. Everything else could be, but the players have figured out that a lawsuit would potentially get you anything no matter how idiotic it is. So this not a serious bill, but at some point we might see some of these changes.
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LWSVOL said:
www.nbcsports.com

New bill in Congress would revolutionize college athletics — and end the NCAA

College sports are currently experiencing the chaos they deserve.
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IMO, for NIL to work for all involved, players need to be subject to a contract binding them to the school for which the NIL deal is intended. It's one-sided if the player can transfer without consequences but gets to keep NIL money expended. Specifics of the contract, including a way to transfer, could be negotiated by the parties, or a standardized contract could be implemented, but that would probably require a unionization of the players. I could even see where conferences would supplement players "wages/salaries" to make conferences stronger with more parity within the conferences.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Ahh, the old, "the government is always bad" mantra. Brought to you by the fear-mongers who are running for positions in government...then, once elected, set out to prove that government is inherently bad.

Might be time we try electing people who believe in using their governmental authority to do good. We are, after all, a democratic representative republic...our government is simply who we choose to elect.
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The response to the above necessarily must address the question below:
Tennman said:
just bring back the hundred dollar handshakes and be done with it. :)
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Are you saying for student athletes or for Congress?

Because both seem to suffer similar difficulties remaining appropriately untainted from their interactions with the private sector. While I agree that "the gov't is always bad" is a non-starter, it's also fairly accurate as a caveat emptor.

For example, insider trading is outlawed for Congress. But in 2024, a prominent congressperson outperformed 95% of professional hedge fund managers by 20-25%.

"According to trading platform Autopilot, N____ P____'s stock tracker took the financial world by storm in 2024, delivering a jaw-dropping 54% gain and outshining nearly every hedge fund."

Are these the best people to legislate against skirting of the law?
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The best I can say about this particular bill (as presented) is that it might start a needed, intelligent conversation. But it isn't intelligent conversation.

I think the better starting point would be a declaration (produced by a committee of college and university presidents, representing schools from all three Divisions) of the benefits of athletic competition for 1) student athletes, 2) for the educational institutions, and 3) for the community.

Without such a philosophical foundation to frame the issue, solutions quickly devolve into the standard labor vs. management splitting of the pie -- which will not address the totality of the issue! Such a declaration (of principles, so to speak) is also needed because TV contract money is going to be such an unpredictable factor until we see upon what plateau the first phase of transition from cable to streaming rests.

Also, consider lessons from the past:

How many times have we heard the cry from fans of a professional sport "Where's OUR union representation?!"

How many times have we seen "equitable" solutions that only create bigger and worse problems--or so regulate the sport as to make it unwatchable? (see: NASCAR's "car-of-tomorrow" debacle)

And while I'm opining so boldly (if not intelligently), let me throw this idea into the conversation:
Any changes to the NCAA that do not address sports gambling are destined to become a dog* wagged by its tail.

*Just to further emphasize how vast the interests in college sports spread (pun intended), note that the largest quantity of money laundered by the intelligence community is purportedly done through legal gambling. So even the CIA has a dog in this hunt, and will have to be "at the table" for the discussion of any legislation that regulates college sports.
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So, just please, don't anyone utter those provocative words that so dare the Fates:
"Anything would be better than this!" Because the Fates will respond, "Hold my Bud Lite..."
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
If nothing is done, they won't exist anyway. Football and basketball will break off from the universities and become minor league sports teams and the non-revenue sports will all go broke and shut down. If that's what you want, that's what you'll get.

The Anti-Trust laws are the main legal issue. Those are Congress's laws and only Congress can change them. They can grant a conditional exemption. It's the only thing that will save college sports in any recognizable form.
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While I agree football and basketball will probably go pro, I'm wondering why the Athletic Dept at a university should make money.

Is the History Dept or ANY other dept at a university expected to be self supporting?

If colleges didn't feel athletics is worth the investment for the students and community, why did they get involved in athletics years ago?

Athletics hasn't ALWAYS been a cash cow and still isn't at many schools. I see no reason for them to shut it down for not making money unless they apply that same standard to the English Dept or whatever.
 
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LAVol1 said:
IMO, for NIL to work for all involved, players need to be subject to a contract binding them to the school for which the NIL deal is intended. It's one-sided if the player can transfer without consequences but gets to keep NIL money expended. Specifics of the contract, including a way to transfer, could be negotiated by the parties, or a standardized contract could be implemented, but that would probably require a unionization of the players. I could even see where conferences would supplement players "wages/salaries" to make conferences stronger with more parity within the conferences.
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I would think that the contracts could already be structured as you’ve outlined. But the players are currently in the better position to negotiate so current NIL deals aren’t being presented with restrictions in their offers. Agents would laugh at the recruiters.

Right now schools that are controlling the collective dollars are trying to build good will with recruits. Presenting offers that include restrictions on transferring or refunding previous payments risk having those things used against the programs in the recruiting process - “you don’t want to sign with TN, they have been trying to prevent players from transferring. They’re hostile.” Also, getting a prized recruit to the negotiation phase is like getting an official visit. You want to wine and dine them and avoid upsetting them.

Give it 10 years and the power could shift from the players to the schools.
 
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I posted this in the other thread, but enough’s enough.
This should be no different than having to play by the rules in a Las Vegas casino. If I want to voluntarily go in, then I play by the rules. If I want to voluntarily play college football, then I agree by the rules. Rules are, NIL is over if I agree to play there. I certainly don’t have to. Nothing to sue anyone over.
It’s time to kill this crap.
They wanna make NFL money? Fine. Wait until the NFL drafts your butt. Good luck.
You wanna play college football? Guess what Jimmy- you get a scholarship and and very small stipend that even the smallest D-2 schools can afford. And that’s it. Don’t like it? Don’t play.
All schools agree to this and it’s done.
 
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I think too many people don't realize that the schools themselves do not pay the athletes. NIL is starring in a commercial for subway, being on billboards for T-Mobile, representing a cookie shop in Knoxville, etc. You can't cap my ability to make as much as a company is willing to pay me to smile and endorse something... so why should you be able to cap what another person makes in that realm just because they are an athlete at a major college? Rightfully, it never should've been against any rules to work and otherwise earn money as the opportunity presents itself, instead of beholding them to what amounts to indentured servitude if they want a *CHANCE* at playing in the NFL. These athletes generate FAR more money than their scholarships amount to... but heaven forbid the worker benefit from the profits as much as the wealthiest hand.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
I think too many people don't realize that the schools themselves do not pay the athletes. NIL is starring in a commercial for subway, being on billboards for T-Mobile, representing a cookie shop in Knoxville, etc. You can't cap my ability to make as much as a company is willing to pay me to smile and endorse something... so why should you be able to cap what another person makes in that realm just because they are an athlete at a major college? Rightfully, it never should've been against any rules to work and otherwise earn money as the opportunity presents itself, instead of beholding them to what amounts to indentured servitude if they want a *CHANCE* at playing in the NFL. These athletes generate FAR more money than their scholarships amount to... but heaven forbid the worker benefit from the profits as much as the wealthiest hand.
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So should they now be required to pay taxes on their scholarship? My bank pays my CC dues but it's included as income and I'm taxed on it. A scholarship is a form of payment.
 
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The schools are still pulling the strings even though the collectives are acting as intermediaries. The real value of the players’ NIL is nothing close to the compensation. The NCAA isn’t going to win anything that goes to court.

There’s also the monopoly angle. But until the NCAA schools begin paying players directly as employees or ICs, they won’t be able to have an anti-trust waiver enacted like Congress has for other professional sports.

Eventually college sports will be recognized as what it’s become. The minor leagues for the professional teams.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would anyone want a salary cap or collective bargaining
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Salary cap to level the playing field, Ohio State is spending upwards of $30 mil this year. I don’t know about you but I don’t want to see this turn into MLB. Collective bargaining to ensure players are treated well as employees with pay and benefits and to keep salaries under control.
 
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