Wisconsin group opposes Ten Commandment display at Rogersville, TN

#52
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BeecherVol said:
Good point.
And if so.

It sounds like locally he is in the minority, and realizing his stance will not fly he tries to garner support with those irrelevant to the situation.
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If the minority is irrelevant, I guess you have no objections to Obama and crew so far. They were elected by the majority, after all.
 
#53
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utvolpj said:
so since he's in the minority his voice shouldn't be heard? Maybe he contacted them for advice on how to proceed and they offered to come help. Having been to Rogersville many times, I'm not sure they take kindly to anyone in a minority. Having someone get your back is always helpful
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Absolutely not.

But should they come down just because he has a problem? Assuming the rest of the people want it to stay.

No.
 
#55
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BeecherVol said:
Absolutely not.

But should they come down just because he has a problem? Assuming the rest of the people want it to stay.

No.
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it doesn't matter in a city/state bldg. Pretty sure rulings have been pretty clear on it
 
#57
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IPorange said:
Okay, but you think you should be unable to raise outside support.
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As in outside the relevance of where the document is displayed?

Yes. If he can't garner enough support from locals that have the same opinion he does.
 
#58
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BeecherVol said:
As in outside the relevance of where the document is displayed?

Yes. If he can't garner enough support from locals that have the same opinion he does.
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Are you under the impression that Rogersville pays for it's own courthouse?
 
#61
#61
Here in America, we value free speech and opinion. If people in Wisconsin don't like something or think it is unfair, they can protest it no matter where it might be. It's possible that one day a person traveling from Wisconsin through Rogersville could get in trouble with the law, and might feel like they couldn't get a fair trial in a building with a religious monument outside of it.

Kind of like how the US has bases all over the world, and intervenes in other countries' politics all the time. I haven't seen too many threads protesting that around here.
 
#62
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BeecherVol said:
Kinda odd he needs to go the direction he is going in if he is legally right.
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Not if the local authorities don't care about legality. You know that is often the case when you mix religion and the South. Heck, Scopes was initially found "guilty" in Dayton, and it had to be overturned for the obvious reason of him not having committed a crime.
 
#63
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utvolpj said:
I see it as someone in Rogersville searched them out because one person saying it wouldn't have lasted long in those parts. Get someone to do the work for you and it's much easier.
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They don't have to look far in Hawkins county.....I remember some locals suing the school board for using a textbook that showed a girl reading the paper while a boy put bread in toaster.......which was contrary to their interpretation of the bible in that the women are supposed to serve the men. A federal judge in Greenville actually upheld the stupid suit, costing a poor school district a tidy sum in legal fees.
 
#64
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CSpindizzy said:
Last time I checked history the Muslims made better gains than the Christians during this period. The Muslims sacked Rome, conquered a good portion of France with almost making it to Paris even, almost taking Vienna and even making gains into modern Poland and the Ukraine and Russia. If we're comparing the two sides, I'd say the Muslims made even greater headway into killing and converting.

Of course now more recently they've made much greater gains just by moving in than invading with armies.
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The Muslims never sacked Rome. The Umayyad Caliphate did invade France from Spain but were defeated by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours. That was their only major incursion into that part of Europe.

Much latter, the Ottomans regrouped after the destruction of the Abbasid Caliphate by the Mongols, they captured Constantinople and occupied the Balkans and around the Black Sea. They allowed religious freedom in the areas they controlled. This was not a war of conversion but between the great Empires of the Byzantine, the Habsburgs, Russia and Ottomans.

They actually spent most of their time fighting other Muslim kingdoms in Persia and Egypt, not trying to make Europe Muslim.

Both sides converted by the sword early on but most of the fighting was more about empire building than religion.
 
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orangestorm said:
The Muslims never sacked Rome. The Umayyad Caliphate did invade France from Spain but were defeated by Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours. That was their only major incursion into that part of Europe.

Much latter, the Ottomans regrouped after the destruction of the Abbasid Caliphate by the Mongols, they captured Constantinople and occupied the Balkans and around the Black Sea. They allowed religious freedom in the areas they controlled. This was not a war of conversion but between the great Empires of the Byzantine, the Habsburgs, Russia and Ottomans.

They actually spent most of their time fighting other Muslim kingdoms in Persia and Egypt, not trying to make Europe Muslim.

Both sides converted by the sword early on but most of the fighting was more about empire building than religion.
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Tours was a turning point that stopped the invasion from continuing north. Had Martel not defeated them, the invasion would have made its way toward what is now the Paris region and into the low countries. Nothing else stood in their way after Martel.

In the 8th and 9th centuries Muslims made their way up the Italian peninsula resulting in the sacking of Rome in 846. St Peter's Basilica was even looted.

As for religion and conversion, read up on the history of Kosovo, Albania, and BH. Even today we see remnants of the conversions that took place centuries ago.
 
#66
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NYYVol said:
Good luck if they head to Hawkins County.

They better send people that they don't mind if they ever return to Wisconsin.

Those Hawkins County people are different folk.
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Hey that's my hometown and I resemble that remark. :)
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#71
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LawVol13 said:
The Ten Commandments are in a Courthouse in Hawkins County, correct?
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As long as you include the rest of the display as well..in context. SCOTUS has already ruled on such displays saying if they are in social and historical in value, it is constitutional. If the Ten Commandments were alone on display, funded by the county, and installed with verbal and written intent to advocate one faith, they would be unconstitutional.
 
#72
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CSpindizzy said:
As long as you include the rest of the display as well..in context. SCOTUS has already ruled on such displays saying if they are in social and historical in value, it is constitutional. If the Ten Commandments were alone on display, funded by the county, and installed with verbal and written intent to advocate one faith, they would be unconstitutional.
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What do you mean the rest of the display?
 
#73
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LawVol13 said:
What do you mean the rest of the display?
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So I'm guessing you haven't actually read the story or checked the facts and are just reacting to the Ten Commandments portion? Not meaning to come across smart here but this is one item in a large list of others that fall under categories SCOTUS has already ruled as acceptable.
 
#74
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CSpindizzy said:
So I'm guessing you haven't actually read the story or checked the facts and are just reacting to the Ten Commandments portion? Not meaning to come across smart here but this is one item in a large list of others that fall under categories SCOTUS has already ruled as acceptable.
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Actually, that's simply not true. The SCOTUS in McCreary County, KY v. ACLU of KY ruled that even though the 10 Commandments were surrounded by other historical documents like the Magna Carta and the lyrics of the "Star Spangled Banner", it still violated the 1st Amendment. So, maybe you should step back from the know-it-all attitude.
 
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#75
#75
Van Orden v Perry

Go back and reread the findings on McCreary and what the problem was in that case. The connection with all of the items in the display was the problem.
 
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