With players leaving...(class numbers discussion)

[P810sDaMan18]

Does that mean we can get more recruits and go past the 25 mark or do we have to get transfers to get #s up? Asking for a friend

 

[wrangler]

My understanding is that the 25 per year is a hard limit. Losing players opens up scholarships from the 85 overall total. That's important, since if we had, for example, 75 players on scholarship, we could recruit only 10 that year, because that would top us out at 85.

I'll hang up and see what others say about whether I've got that straight.

 

[carpbc]

My understanding is that the 25 per year is a hard limit. Losing players opens up scholarships from the 85 overall total. That's important, since if we had, for example, 75 players on scholarship, we could recruit only 10 that year, because that would top us out at 85.

I'll hang up and see what others say about whether I've got that straight.

That is how I think the new rules work, but I wonder about the walk-ons. How soon can they get a scholarship if the school has one available to offer? Looks like we might have a few to offer in that manner.

 

[jakez4ut]

no, the way i understand the rules at this point, you will never "sign" more than 25 in a given class. you can blue shirt still i believe, but that will still count against your next class.

i'm not sure about EE's, but i believe they will count against that year's class they enroll in, you can't back count them.

it's a pretty hard cap at 25/year, 85 scholly's. so over a 4 year period, you need to lose 15 total, but no more than that...

i don't think we'll have a full 85 next year due to early NFL draft departures.

the only way i've seen to get that up to 85 is to offer Walk Ons. but only Jr/Sr...can't offer Fr/So walk ons anymore, unless you want them to count against that year's class.

 

[jakez4ut]

My understanding is that the 25 per year is a hard limit. Losing players opens up scholarships from the 85 overall total. That's important, since if we had, for example, 75 players on scholarship, we could recruit only 10 that year, because that would top us out at 85.

I'll hang up and see what others say about whether I've got that straight.

basically, yes. you will sign 25 or less a year. don't know of a way to sign more than 25.

if you have normal attrition, i wouldn't expect to see classes that small. the bigger issue would be if you have an inordinate amount of players leave all at one time....if these rules had been in place in 2014, 2015, CBJ's recruiting classes would have looked A LOT different....

 

[Biopsyman]

I hope more leave either through transfer or early graduation The fastest we flip the roster the better

 

[Giveem6]

no, the way i understand the rules at this point, you will never "sign" more than 25 in a given class. you can blue shirt still i believe, but that will still count against your next class.

i'm not sure about EE's, but i believe they will count against that year's class they enroll in, you can't back count them.

it's a pretty hard cap at 25/year, 85 scholly's. so over a 4 year period, you need to lose 15 total, but no more than that...

i don't think we'll have a full 85 next year due to early NFL draft departures.

the only way i've seen to get that up to 85 is to offer Walk Ons. but only Jr/Sr...can't offer Fr/So walk ons anymore, unless you want them to count against that year's class.

Is that a new rule?? We signed 28 just last year.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I hope more leave either through transfer or early graduation The fastest we flip the roster the better

There are some guys on the roster that are pretty good players and many players were not developed properly under the previous staff. Hopefully Pruitt and his staff can coach them up better than Butch.

 

[jakez4ut]

Is that a new rule?? We signed 28 just last year.

yes...just implemented this year.

 

[wrangler]

I'd expect the EE's to count against the class they enter early for. The guys who just got to UT, for example, are on all the 2018 lists we see on 247 and elsewhere, included in the 2018 class counts.

 

[Biopsyman]

There some guys on the roster that are pretty good players and many players were not developed properly under the previous staff. Hopefully Pruitt and his staff can coach them up better than Butch.

It happens with every coaching change players leave that don’t fit the offense of an defense of system. We are going to a three for defense and a power running team . For example our tight ends will be much bigger so that at the point of attack they can block Ford versus Joneses pathetic scheme of crackback blocks in the zone read

 

[vol9799]

Does that mean we can get more recruits and go past the 25 mark or do we have to get transfers to get #s up? Asking for a friend

My understanding is that this year's new rule makes the 25 hard and fast. However for UT, the attrition will be more about next year's class. Without any attrition we'd only be able to sign 15-17 next year. I expect that number to settle in the 21-23 range by the time 12 months of attrition have taken their toll.

 

[DaddyChad]

25 per year of initial counters which is basically anyone receiving financial assistance. Grad Transfers dont count against the 25 but do count against the 85 hard cap.

I'm not sure the rules on blueshirts anymore BUT I think we should avoid those situations anyways. We need to focus on getting talent not fillers anymore. No more projects IMO.

As far as turning over the roster, I don't think that's necessary but I do think we need to turn over some BS attitudes. If you're going to half-ass it in the weight room or practice field or have some pissy attitude then you need to be out the door. We've had talent but we have a huge culture problem IMO and thats why I think we're seeing a lot of guys declaring early.

 

[DaddyChad]

My understanding is that this year's new rule makes the 25 hard and fast. However for UT, the attrition will be more about next year's class. Without any attrition we'd only be able to sign 15-17 next year. I expect that number to settle in the 21-23 range by the time 12 months of attrition have taken their toll.

Lol, I expect we'll sign the full 25. Attrition numbers are always higher with a staff change.

 

[wrangler]

Can be a question there as to how many, if any, players choose to bail, rather than get serious.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It happens with every coaching change players leave that don’t fit the offense of an defense of system. We are going to a three for defense and a power running team . For example our tight ends will be much bigger so that at the point of attack they can block Ford versus Joneses pathetic scheme of crackback blocks in the zone read

Of course agreed but guys like Warrior, Chandler, Tuttle etc. are needed. UT needs players like that to stick around.

 

[FiremedicVOL127]

It happens with every coaching change players leave that don’t fit the offense of an defense of system. We are going to a three for defense and a power running team . For example our tight ends will be much bigger so that at the point of attack they can block Ford versus Joneses pathetic scheme of crackback blocks in the zone read

Shew, 🤯

 

[vol9799]

Lol, I expect we'll sign the full 25. Attrition numbers are always higher with a staff change.

We'll see. I think we see the two medicals take us to 25 spots for this year. Then, assuming there's no rising senior attrition and JJ is able to earn his way back, we'll have 14 seniors going into next year.

That would mean we'd have to have 11 players leave to get to that number. Assuming we have 1-2 not make it from this year's class once everything is said and done, say 9 left. I only come up with 9 possibles in total and that's what leads me to believe we won't quite get there.

You may be right, we may sign 25. Just hoping and expecting less pure (non-NFL, non-graduation) attrition with this transition than the last three.

 

[volroadwarrior]

Tell coach to bring back Jennings and Boulware.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'd expect the EE's to count against the class they enter early for. The guys who just got to UT, for example, are on all the 2018 lists we see on 247 and elsewhere, included in the 2018 class counts.

that's correct..and is my understand as well. you won't be able to back count EE's in previous classes due to attrition issues anymore. grey shirts are gone as well.

i do think you can still blue shirt, but you will only be able to count them forward, so you have to be kinda careful on how/when you use them....

 

[RockyTopInBham]

it's a pretty hard cap at 25/year, 85 scholly's. so over a 4 year period, you need to lose 15 total, but no more than that...

This is the only part of your post above that I disagree with. You've got to take into account redshirted players from each class, which can add up. I think we had about 10 guys from last year's class redshirt this past year, so their eligibility would last an extra year obviously. Since that's the case, we can afford to lose a few more guys each year due to attrition.

 

[jakez4ut]

Can be a question there as to how many, if any, players choose to bail, rather than get serious.

the attrition rate won't allow you to just fill those spots anymore. it's going to require coaches to either just take the hit in a give year and go in to a year with less than 85, or you need to be really spot on with your classes.

and the other wrinkle is the 100 over 4 years. you have to manage who may leave early for the NFL, transfers etc...very carefully.

it's not about spots available anymore. every other couple years you will have classes that won't be a full 25.

over time, that should balance some things out for some programs. initially, it's going to suck.....but there will be really good players that simply won't be able to go to a Bama or Georgia just because the #'s won't allow it.

those kids are going to be available. it'll be an interesting balance on what happens on that ESD (which i think for the next cycle, will just be NSD). that ESD should take the vast majority of the blue chip recruits off the table.

then the feb date will be advantageous for those that have that 5-8 signings available. classes will have to be kind of mapped out as best you can 2-3 years in advance.

gonna be interesting.

 

[jakez4ut]

This is the only part of your post above that I disagree with. You've got to take into account redshirted players from each class, which can add up. I think we had about 10 guys from last year's class redshirt this past year, so their eligibility would last an extra year obviously. Since that's the case, we can afford to lose a few more guys each year due to attrition.

nope, you're right, that's a good point, and i didn't account for that....agreed.:thumbsup:

 

[KBVol]

Is that a new rule?? We signed 28 just last year.

Yes

 

[KBVol]

Tell coach to bring back Jennings and Boulware.

Boulware, ok. Jennings? Kick rocks, go be a crazy locker room cancer some place else.