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#76
#76
VA_VOLFAN said:
the league losing out on a lot of talent because it's scared to cut some of these veterans
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Agreed. But I can also understand teams holding onto veterans for the reason that the seasons are so short that they may not feel like they have time to bring players along. The veterans know how things work and don't need to learn everything like babies. Teams feel like their chances of winning those early games are better with more experienced players. It would be fantastic if the roster sizes increased by at least three to give some of the young ones a chance to grow into it.
 
#78
#78
Amb3096 said:
Samuelson had a good game last time out too. By cutting Burrell, Karlie and Crystal Bradford, and Katie Samuelson out for pregnancy, they basically have no size on the wing. You'd think they would have kept at least one of those 3.
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Will they have to deal with the Damby suit?
 
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#80
Amb3096 said:
Scared to cut the veterans, or the younger players just not distinguishing themselves from the pack? There are a lot of pretty old players in the league, but the younger players have to start outplaying them to stay in the league. The problem with the WNBA is that they don't give a leash for player development, so the young players that stick are pretty much the ones that come out of the gates quickly. And even then, you still have players that can play big roles as rookies and then get waived the next year.
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They know there’s a plethora of talent in next years draft. Pleez…
 
#81
#81
Amb3096 said:
Scared to cut the veterans, or the younger players just not distinguishing themselves from the pack? There are a lot of pretty old players in the league, but the younger players have to start outplaying them to stay in the league. The problem with the WNBA is that they don't give a leash for player development, so the young players that stick are pretty much the ones that come out of the gates quickly. And even then, you still have players that can play big roles as rookies and then get waived the next year.
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Scared to cut veternas . Clarendon from LA shouldn't be on the roster. Sydney Colson from Las Vegas is another questionable keep. Yes, rookies and players with at least 2 years experience def need longer leashes but some vets just need to go. I agree
 
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#82
#82
lvocd said:
Agreed. But I can also understand teams holding onto veterans for the reason that the seasons are so short that they may not feel like they have time to bring players along. The veterans know how things work and don't need to learn everything like babies. Teams feel like their chances of winning those early games are better with more experienced players. It would be fantastic if the roster sizes increased by at least three to give some of the young ones a chance to grow into it.
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yes, i agree but also some of these veterans just need to be cut. Time for them to hang it up but because the league doesn't allow time for some of these rookies to be developed all this talent makes a team for a year and then gets cut. SMH the W needs to do better
 
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#86
#86
Raebo said:
I just hope college players realize how important a degree is long term. It’s great if you can make a pro team but but you better have a backup plan that will be more important for a vast majority of them.
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Some of them play overseas anyway and make more money, they have to stay 4 years so I’m sure most of them get a degree.
 
#87
#87
DarkPhoenix said:
I have no idea if that’s the case, because people have their jobs on line, they need to get the best team out there in f not they will be fired.
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That's true, but there's no rookie player development that goes on in the league; if you're not ready straight out of college, there's no investment made in the players to make them into valuable league players. And that will have longer term consequences for the league beyond the GM's job.
 
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Amb3096 said:
That's true, but there's no rookie player development that goes on in the league; if you're not ready straight out of college, there's no investment made in the players to make them into valuable league players. And that will have longer term consequences for the league beyond the GM's job.
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I’m not sure what they can do, the turn around is so fast and teams are looking for immediate impact. With players staying in college 4-5 years I think teams think they should be ready, irs not like they are coming after 1 year like the men’s game.
 
#92
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Rosters are limited to 12 players, but not all teams carry that many; there is also a salary cap. Players like Sydney Colson and Karlie Samuelson frequently get cut in the preseason, but generally end up on a roster somewhere. It's very hard for a rookie to make a roster, and even harder to stick.
 
#93
#93
Amb3096 said:
Wow, I'm surprised by this. They both seemed to be doing well in the preseason.

Rae had the same misfortune that Rennia did. She was injured her rookie year, and most first round draft picks are given the year to figure things out. She never had the chance to show her abilities, and then her development was further hindered by the injury. Hopefully she has a good European season and is able to make a training camp next season.
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All true. The WNBA just does not seem to place that much weight on first round picks. Releasing Rae before she ever got a regular season game is brutal treatment for a first rounder. But is clear, that the WNBA is a buyer's market where there is much available talent that teams, with such small rosters can be cutthroat with all their players.
 
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#94
#94
Amb3096 said:
Interesting that the two stars of the last NCAA tournament championships (Alexis Morris and Henderson) both got cut in training camp.

I always thought Horston had more pro potential than Burrell, but she's gotta show out during this season. They don't mess around with these cuts.
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It seems like you have to be really outstanding at something to stick in the league. Jordan is going to hang her hat on being a lock down defender and rebounder. Essentially, the Dennis Rodman model with more passing and scoring capacity. I think that is a good formula for her.
 
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#95
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Charli Collier and Emily Engstler were both waived today. Charli was the #1 pick two years ago, and Emily was a top 4 pick last year. Charli was kind of a bust, but it's unbelievable that Emily got waived again after putting up 11 pts and 8 rbs in 13 min. I'd be shocked if another team doesn' snatch her up.
 
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#97
#97
madtownvol said:
It seems like you have to be really outstanding at something to stick in the league. Jordan is going to hang her hat on being a lock down defender and rebounder. Essentially, the Dennis Rodman model with more passing and scoring capacity. I think that is a good formula for her.
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It is, but she has to improve her defense. How she defends WNBA wings will determine if she has staying power in the league.

I think more than anything, they are looking for complete players. The so-called "defensive specialists" (i.e. can't shoot) have no place in the W. Players that are willing to set certain things aside (like scoring) for the good of the team, but can be called on to score if needed will thrive. There was a player from Seattle (Clark?) who fit this bill. She was a prolific scorer in college, but was relegated to 3-and-D as a pro. But if she needed to conjure up a bucket, she seemed to be able to do so without missing a beat.
 
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I'm most heartbroken for Rennia Davis. She can play, but I suspect her extremely low-key personality puts her at a disadvantage. If you'll notice, most players trying to make rosters these days are going waaaay over-the-top with the upbeat, dancy-dance, outgoing personalities. I think they've figured out that if there's only paper-thin differences between each other skills wise that they can make themselves appear more attractive by being more gregarious.

Rennia is super quiet and introverted. Also, as I always noted while she was in college, she doesn't have the lateral quickness that players need more of these days. I wonder if she was struggling to keep players in front of her on D. She can certainly shoot. I don't know. I'm just hoping and praying she's okay.
 
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#99
#99
lvocd said:
I'm most heartbroken for Rennia Davis. She can play, but I suspect her extremely low-key personality puts her at a disadvantage. If you'll notice, most players trying to make rosters these days are going waaaay over-the-top with the upbeat, dancy-dance, outgoing personalities. I think they've figured out that if there's only paper-thin differences between each other skills wise that they can make themselves appear more attractive by being more gregarious.

Rennia is super quiet and introverted. Also, as I always noted while she was in college, she doesn't have the lateral quickness that players need more of these days. I wonder if she was struggling to keep players in front of her on D. She can certainly shoot. I don't know. I'm just hoping and praying she's okay.
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There are a handful of star players in the league that are marketable. I don't think that's as much of a big deal for the fringe players. If it was, then Te'a Cooper and DiDi Richards would both still be in the league. Both of them went from starter or key rotation player to out of the league in a hurry.

Davis was a solid all around player, but needed next level development that the league just isn't willing to do yet. I think your observation about her speed was more of a factor than her lack of presence on TikTok.
 
#100
#100
DarkPhoenix said:
Number 1 pick just 2 years ago.

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She wanted to be #1 in the draft more than she wanted to continue her development. Not only could Texas have benefited from having her there, but she’d have benefitted even more from staying an extra year or two.
 
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