Woke

[Carl Pickens]

My guess is that guy cries a lot

And squats to pee

 

[LouderVol]

I guess to me this is still being mad over nothing for the most part. If Black female tennis players were on a pedestal for years and then Serena came along, took the popularity to soaring new heights and then acknowledged her Black privilege (even with a “but”), I would not be upset by that at all

I would be. No one should forced to be guilty by association just based on their skin color.

I am not upset. I just see a fundamental flaw with the woke argument. the "fix" is to create a second class citizen out of white members who have to apologize for their race or go out of their way to avoid being able to just accept individual accolades without being expected to turn it into some type of message for change.

in short "yes, and" rather than "yes, but" is a strong difference in messaging.

 

[NashVol11]

I would be. No one should forced to be guilty by association just based on their skin color.

I am not upset. I just see a fundamental flaw with the woke argument. the "fix" is to create a second class citizen out of white members who have to apologize for their race or go out of their way to avoid being able to just accept individual accolades without being expected to turn it into some type of message for change.

in short "yes, and" rather than "yes, but" is a strong difference in messaging.

No one said anything about guilt or a second class. “I did well [and/but] benefited from white privilege” is the same message IMO. If “and” makes it a completely different message to you then it seems like the “and” and reference to white privilege was disingenuous/fake in the first place

 

[NashVol11]

And it’s not some slippery slope epidemic affecting “white athletes” anyway, no one is talking about white privilege in the NHL but it’s very relevant in WBB

 

[LouderVol]

No one said anything about guilt or a second class. “I did well [and/but] benefited from white privilege” is the same message IMO. If “and” makes it a completely different message to you then it seems like the “and” and reference to white privilege was disingenuous/fake in the first place

so "and" and "but" mean the same thing to you?

never went to any leadership or speech classes that taught the differences in messaging and how word choice matters to the message you are trying to get across?

In pretty much every single thing I have read/heard/learned its not what you say that really matters to how people pick up on it. Its how you say that matters the most to people's reaction of something. very similar to the "its not what you know, its who you know that matters" idiom.

"and" is inclusive. "but" is contradictory. I don't see how you can see them as the same.

 

[NashVol11]

so "and" and "but" mean the same thing to you?

never went to any leadership or speech classes that taught the differences in messaging and how word choice matters to the message you are trying to get across?

In pretty much every single thing I have read/heard/learned its not what you say that really matters to how people pick up on it. Its how you say that matters the most to people's reaction of something. very similar to the "its not what you know, its who you know that matters" idiom.

"and" is inclusive. "but" is contradictory. I don't see how you can see them as the same.

"Inclusive" meaning that you are including white privilege as a reason for your popularity along with your own play. "Contradictory" meaning that your play is one reason for your popularity, but also white privilege is another reason for your popularity. Those are the same thing

 

[LouderVol]

"Inclusive" meaning that you are including white privilege as a reason for your popularity along with your own play. "Contradictory" meaning that your play is one reason for your popularity, but also white privilege is another reason for your popularity. Those are the same thing

except that she didn't say that. she just said that being a white PERSON comes with privileges. didn't mention herself as a player there, or mention her popularity, or how being a white PERSON lead to that recognition.

she inserted a completely different train of thought, white privilege. which is why I said it was CONTRADICTORY use of "but".

your argument relies on completely changing the meaning of the words she actually uses while also inserting a whole bunch of subtext that isn't actually there.

 

[NashVol11]

except that she didn't say that. she just said that being a white PERSON comes with privileges. didn't mention herself as a player there, or mention her popularity, or how being a white PERSON lead to that recognition.

she inserted a completely different train of thought, white privilege. which is why I said it was CONTRADICTORY use of "but".

your argument relies on completely changing the meaning of the words she actually uses while also inserting a whole bunch of subtext that isn't actually there.

Another distinction without a difference. This is clearly about playing basketball and the stardom associated with that.

Clark is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom. “I want to say I’ve earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is privilege,” says Clark. “A lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been Black players. This league has kind of been built on them.

 

[LouderVol]

Another distinction without a difference. This is clearly about playing basketball and the stardom associated with that.

so tell me what her popularity and hard work has to do with there being good black players? you know, since I am making a distinction with no difference.

 

[NashVol11]

so tell me what her popularity and hard work has to do with there being good black players? you know, since I am making a distinction with no difference.

She's acknowledging that she has a built-in advantage over Black players when it comes to popularity. Again, a fact. And now we've talked in a circle and people are still upset over nothing and arguing semantics

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

So many of those dumb arrogant Dem politicians with that thing called brain rot.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

And the Dimwits there voted for this.

Keep those buses rolling to CHI, NYC, DC, Boston etc etc ...smartest thing Gov. Abbott has done in his entire life. Non stop. Keep dumping the illegal invaders by the thousands right in the laps of those who SAY they want them HERE and those who SAY that these illegals have the same rights as American citizens. Keep sending the actual invaders to where they live....and all of them will change their tune eventually. Many already have, see: 2024 election. These illegals are the biggest, most hypocritical case of NIMBY by the Woke morons that I have ever seen. Go Greyhound!!

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Denzel is so proud of his daughter. She's so brave.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Big Mike acting as though he's so oppressed & being scared for life.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

These people are so sick w/mental illness they should be put in insane asylum for life.

 

[n_huffhines]

Caitlin Clark definitely gets some of her fan following because of her whiteness, just like, but to a far lesser extent, Yao Ming did because of his nationality.

But...let's say CC is a 7 on the athlete scale, if a black girl who is a 7 were doing Steph Curry ****, she would be the most popular player, too. Maybe not quite as big as CC, but I believe those two factors are much more responsible for her popularity than the color of her skin.

 

[volinbham]

Caitlin Clark definitely gets some of her fan following because of her whiteness, just like, but to a far lesser extent, Yao Ming did because of his nationality.

But...let's say CC is a 7 on the athlete scale, if a black girl who is a 7 were doing Steph Curry ****, she would be the most popular player, too. Maybe not quite as big as CC, but I believe those two factors are much more responsible for her popularity than the color of her skin.

yep - CC is a phenom. I'll add it may not be white privilege but simply being a different skin tone than almost everyone else in the sport. I black hockey player who is a phenom would be crazy popular and in part because he's unique.

the concept of privilege is much deeper

 

[n_huffhines]

yep - CC is a phenom. I'll add it may not be white privilege but simply being a different skin tone than almost everyone else in the sport. I black hockey player who is a phenom would be crazy popular and in part because he's unique.

the concept of privilege is much deeper

The league is built on the shoulders of black women. There have been plenty of white stars not as cute and entertaining as CC, but being white (minority in the league) does help her to stand out a little more in a nation where that is the majority. I would say especially now that fans/media have made it into a white/black thing.

There is truth to all sides on this one.