Wolves are NOT endangered.

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per a 4/2009 article (can't link from my phone) from the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, nationwide the Elk herd is up 44% since 1984, with significant growth in herds that are plagued by the Jihadist Wolves over the same time period.
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Also, what is the rate of wolf attacks on humans, out of curiosity.

And, how does that rate compare to the rate for deer, bears, birds of prey, large felines, and larger rodents such as beavers, badgers, and raccoons?
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Also, what is the rate of wolf attacks on humans, out of curiosity.

And, how does that rate compare to the rate for deer, bears, birds of prey, large felines, and larger rodents such as beavers, badgers, and raccoons?
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I know that moose kill more people than bears each year in this country.

I know that wolves are extremely terrified of humans, but find pets delicious.
 
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I know that moose kill more people than bears each year in this country.

I know that wolves are extremely terrified of humans, but find pets delicious.

yeah, we have a few coyotes lingering that grab an unfortunate cat every now and then.
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I remember growing up in Idaho about twenty years ago and there was really only the Sawtooth pack. It is nice to know they have rebounded so well.
 
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polar bears aren't endangered either, but that isn't stopping both the animals rights crowd and AGW fascists from claiming otherwise.
 
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polar bears aren't endangered either, but that isn't stopping both the animals rights crowd and AGW fascists from claiming otherwise.

That's not what reliable Al has been saying. Maybe the over commercialization of polar bears by Coca Cola has done em' in?
 
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You believe everything every federal ministry of information agency says don't you??

That link certainly doesn't give much information btw.

The simplist and most efficient way to handle this is to allow each state to manage it's own wildlife.

Here is a great article by a retired Fish and Wildlife man: 3 Scams - The Truth Is Not In Them

Another one; The Two Faces of Government


A list of articles by Jim Beers, he should be the most read outdoor writer in America but lame stream media treats him like the plague.

He has testified before congress three times but politicians are more interested in listening to bull crap from people who can make large donations to their campaign funds that listening to common sense or to the American people who have to deal with moronic federal policies.



How can they be so sure that a decline in elk is due to the wolves?

One of the major iniatives of this is to drive ranchers off all federal lands, thereby increasing food costs to you.

BTW, these radical animal rights conflict industry people tried to say that elk were suffering from mad cow desease to discourage hunting and/or pass anti-hunting bills but were disproven once again when real life studies showed that elk that had been transplanted from one area to another were feeding on a kind of lichen they weren't acclimated to and that was what was causing some elk to have mad cow like symptons.

But that is the modus operandi of these well funded special interest NGOs, make wild claims, get federal government backing and saddle states and usually individuals with ridiculous policies that are all but impossible to change. It's like being raped and then have to pay the rapist for his trouble.

Wolf predation on livestock is also a problem.

Unless something is done to Control the wolf population they will continue to increase at an alarming rate. It will be hard for the Montana rancher to stay in business because of the predation by the wolves. Due to this predation wildlife have also changed their habits to try and survive. Instead of being in their natural habitat elk, deer and other herbivores are congregating in large numbers for protection. Thus impacting private property of ranchers or land owners. At this rate the wolf harvest of wildlife will result in the near total elimination of the animals we have all learned to admire and hunt.

The wolf population is far beyond what was asked for but still they are keeping it on the endangered list, go figure.

per a 4/2009 article (can't link from my phone) from the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, nationwide the Elk herd is up 44% since 1984, with significant growth in herds that are plagued by the Jihadist Wolves over the same time period.
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Feb 10, 2009, The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation,

The Elk Foundation continues to voice its longstanding support for delisting wolves under the Endangered Species Act, enabling state-based management. In December, RMEF joined with 18 other groups urging the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to delist wolves in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

The only thing jihadist in this equation are the animal rights groups that are anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-meat eating, anti-business, anti-farming, anti-ranching, pro-global warming bs and so forth such as HSUS, Farm Sanctuary, Peta, World Wildlife Fund, Defenders of Wildlife, Center for Food Safety and a miriad more morons who can't seem to be able to leave other folks alone in their quest to create their fantasy bambi world.

thank goodness, i was worried about the wolves being extinct

That's easily understood because the media constantly bombards us with what is said by radical 'nature fakers' and doesn't give us real information.

Here is a good example of abuse of the 'endangered species act.' (they use the same propaganda to promote idiotic 'climate change' policies such as the ehtanol mandate that is moronic on every level.)

A friend of mine's mother retired recently and had a building lot in Florida that she intended to either retire to or sell and retire somewhere else.

Her property was a bit inland with access to a canal that connected to the ocean and had greatly increased in value because after recent hurricanes many people wanted to move inland. There was a house on each side of her building lot.

When she went to visit the place on retireing she found an EPA sign that read; "Protected Florida Scrub Jay Habitat."

The bottome line was that she was prohibited from building on her own lot and must continue to pay property taxes or eventually cede it to the state of Florida because of unpaid back taxes. Her only alternative is to sell the property but the buyer must sign and agreement to keep it forever a Scrub Jay habitat. Who's going to buy that???

I assure you the Florida Scrub Jay is not endangered but it is on the federal list and to get it off you just about need an act of congress.

What we have is unconstitutional confiscation of property without compensation remisiscent ot 19th century land grabs by the British governemnt and throwing people off their own land.

There are thousands and thousands of just such cases all accross America.

I just talked with my next door neighbor who sold his farm mostly because of idiotic intervention by the EPA who is all over the little guy like stink on a skunk but if you want the EPA to do something about illegal practices by a large chemical company, you had might as well be petitioning the abominable snowman!!!
 
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polar bears aren't endangered either, but that isn't stopping both the animals rights crowd and AGW fascists from claiming otherwise.

But Obozo diverts spy satellites to count polar bears, you certainly use the right word when you say 'fascists!'

That's not what reliable Al has been saying. Maybe the over commercialization of polar bears by Coca Cola has done em' in?



The devastation and illusions being created by the Endangered Species Act continue to grow and harm more citizens and threaten ever more components of this Nation. (four pages, all well worth reading and about the only source of the real truth on several topics that I know of.)

Meanwhile the US press and the communications directors of government agencies and radical environmental "Centers" are grinding out wolf propaganda like communist pamphleteers in 1917 Russia.

This is why the public is so brainwashed that any time you try to have an intelligent, informed, common sense discussion on the topic or try to influence someone, anyone in government on these topics you get a slew of lemminglike obots weighing in with propaganda like you get coackroaches and palmetto bugs coming out after sunset.

Wolf censuses are conducted by "volunteers" who are advocates of stopping hunting, ranching, logging, closing down public lands, moving people out of rural areas, etc. and that purposely shape wolf figures to please the Federal bureaucrats and State employee sympathizers. Ranchers are selling out as public land allotments are closed down and wolf depredations erase slim profit margins.
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"Experts" and bureaucrats blame the loss of wildlife on weather and mumble about how more land set asides and purchase by government are "necessary".
 
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Does the same go for coyotes? They come up off the banks of the Hooch and roam my property. Already go one of our cats and they do not even back down from the dogs.
 
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I know that moose kill more people than bears each year in this country.

I know that wolves are extremely terrified of humans, but find pets delicious.

And falling coconuts kill a lot more people than sharks.

Wolves aren't terrified of humans fyi.

One of the problems is this sort of thing and many many others lead to a constant barrage of more governmental actions designed to protect us (or plants or animals) from all sorts of fearful things (both real and imagined) happening in a constantly growing nanny state that protects us (and plants and animals) from dire consequences. (such as extinction.)

It is becoming increasingly rare where the policies stand up to real scrutiny and it is damned nigh impossible to roll them back once the well planned policies are rammed through before opposition can be organized.

(Not only that small groups just don't have the financial wherewithal to resist.)

Here is an example from today;

A new bill would ensure that small honey producers are able to sell their products at farmers markets, fairs or roadside stands without government regulation.

Elizabeth Watkins, Public Health’s food processing program coordinator; “Tainted honey can contain pathogens or chemicals,”

Does this pinhead wonk bureaurocrat understand bacteria can't live in honey? I doubt it and she introduces no evidence of her claim other than empty rhetoric.

It's like my next door neighbor, just one more small farmer forced off his land by moronic government programs when he was selling eggs to the local grocer.

An FDA or USFDA agent came into the store and took all the eggs being sold and poured chlorox on them because they weren't federally inspected.

The gorcer says wait, I'll give them away but no dice, they weren't federlly inspected, had to be destroyed.

It's not like they weren't healthy free range chickens.

It's like the local feed store owner one day being inspected by a state agent dressed in miniskirt with 3 inch heels.

When she left he asked me what I thought.

I said she looked like great eye candy, what's not to like?

He said he didnt like her worth a sh!t and when I asked why, he said she had just fined him $250, to be payed on the spot for putting corn in sacks labled wheat.

He had run out of sacks labled corn and turned some wheat sacks inside out and wrote 'corn' with a magic marker on them.

Wheat sold at the time for over twice the price of corn, not to mention that any buyer who couldn't tell the difference between wheat and corn had no damned business in a feed store to begin with.

It's this sort of inane governmental control of most everything down to the last blink of an eye that is systematically destroying America while we debate the 'right' to healthcare etc.

I could go ad infinitum with both personal and internet stories of such insanity but suffice it to say that the family farm and ranch has been the backbone of food supply in this nation for a long time but the only thing in danger of extinction in america is the small family farm.

Study the stats on that.
 
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GS, from your delusional world that you reside in, how many vicious canines have you come across?

I have trapped Canines for years (well, 6, after my Army time ended) and have managed to release several feral or runaway dogs without getting bit, as well as many Coyotes without getting bombed by a jihadist dog.

You think that nature is evil, and that makes you one of the whusses that you hate, Shlt, even RTV and T-Tradition mock you on this hissy of yours!

Sorry all who are into this thread for Conservation purposes, I'm a RMEF member who encourages natural sustenance. This topic was too over the top for me.
 
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Wolves do run from people. It would be the rare kooky one that wouldn't. I've seen lots of wolf tracks in Alaska, but only ever the backside of a wolf (and even that was once.) The island where I was is loaded with wolves (Prince of Wales). I have never heard of a wolf attack.

And for the record, sharks aren't much of a threat in the grand scheme of things, either. 6 fatalities a year on the planet on average, or something like that?

Now, coconut allergies are serious business....
 
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I'm just still trying to get the parable that this must surely be about. The wolves are Muslims, the elk are Americans, but what are the sharks and coconuts?
 
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I'm just still trying to get the parable that this must surely be about. The wolves are Muslims, the elk are Americans, but what are the sharks and coconuts?

Wedding tackle, cock & bulls, etc, etc.....
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