Worst calls at Neyland Stadium

[VolinArizona]

I remember the 2000 Florida call being the straw that broke the camel's back. I think the ol ball coach even hinted at it. The non catch wasn't the only bad call in critical times going UF's way.

2004 DID make it a wash. Completely.

 

[JasonCajun]

I still cannot agree to that. The Gafney catch/non-catch was subjective. The personal foul call in '04 was subjective, though the official later admitted he should have called it both ways.

But the clock management was a clear, unequivocal, admitted, and totally objective screw up for which the SEC apologized.

Not a wash. Gators are owed at least one major break to determine outcome of a game.

I hope you are kidding. You are saying that after that Gefney non-catch?

 

[QBvol7]

I think the worse call was right before halftime during the Notre Dame game in '04.

And punting the ball down by 2 scores with a little over 5 minutes to go last year against Georgia.

I agree with both calls.

I sat there with my jaw hitting the ground when we punted in the UGA game. It was either he was telling his kids that he was giving up or he knew he was beat and didnt want the score to get any worse.

 

[rockytopscott]

Worst call in Neyland? How about when they used to do that "smokeys on the prowl, grrrrrrr"

lame..

 

[lawgator1]

I hope you are kidding. You are saying that after that Gefney non-catch?

Right. My logic is that the Gaffney call in '00 and the personal foul call in '04 are both subjective and extremely controversial. They cancel each other out.

But that leaves the screwed up clock management by the officials after the personal foul call. The head of SEC officiating was in the stands and was literally running down to the field to try to get them to correct it but could not get there in time to salvage the error.

I put that in the class of giving teams an extra down by mistake (was that Michigan a few years back, can't remember). That gave you time to get down the field and in field goal range. Florida is owed one gi-normous objective screw-up in its favor and that affects the outcome of the game in their favor.

 

[VolinArizona]

Right. My logic is that the Gaffney call in '00 and the personal foul call in '04 are both subjective and extremely controversial. They cancel each other out.

But that leaves the screwed up clock management by the officials after the personal foul call. The head of SEC officiating was in the stands and was literally running down to the field to try to get them to correct it but could not get there in time to salvage the error.

I put that in the class of giving teams an extra down by mistake (was that Michigan a few years back, can't remember). That gave you time to get down the field and in field goal range. Florida is owed one gi-normous objective screw-up in its favor and that affects the outcome of the game in their favor.

There is NO way the Gaffney non-catch and the personal foul are even close in ridiculousness.

 

[lawgator1]

There is NO way the Gaffney non-catch and the personal foul are even close in ridiculousness.

The official that made the personal foul call has publicly apologized both for it and for the clock screw-up. He said he should either not have called a personal foul at all or should have called it both ways, offsetting, with the clock then running. The SEC officially took that position.

As far as I know, no official in the '00 game has stepped forward and said they made a mistake.

On top of that, in that game Florida had a half minute and downs from the 5 yard line to score and there is a reasonable likelihood they would have won on the next play or the play after.

You guys were totally done but for the officials wrapping that game up and putting a bow on it for you.

 

[volfan2024]

The official that made the personal foul call has publicly apologized both for it and for the clock screw-up. He said he should either not have called a personal foul at all or should have called it both ways, offsetting, with the clock then running. The SEC officially took that position.

As far as I know, no official in the '00 game has stepped forward and said they made a mistake.

On top of that, in that game Florida had a half minute and downs from the 5 yard line to score and there is a reasonable likelihood they would have won on the next play or the play after.

You guys were totally done but for the officials wrapping that game up and putting a bow on it for you.

:mf_surrender: :horse:

 

[hatvol96]

Worst call in Neyland? How about when they used to do that "smokeys on the prowl, grrrrrrr"

lame..

Without question, the most stupid and annoying thing ever intentionally transmitted over a public address system.

 

[volfan2024]

Without question, the most stupid and annoying thing ever intentionally transmitted over a public address system.

Of all the things you have said, and believe me you've said plenty :biggrin2: I couldn't agree with you more.I think they were doing that their national championship year.(In that case,maybe they should re-introduce it). :banghead:

 

[orange+white=heaven]

Without question, the most stupid and annoying thing ever intentionally transmitted over a public address system.

This statement fails to take into account Ozzie's version of "Take me out to the Ballgame" at Wrigley, Roseanne's "National Anthem", and the track star who's name escapes me at the moment assassinated the Anthem as well.

That being said, yeah the grrrowl was awful.

 

[hatvol96]

This statement fails to take into account Ozzie's version of "Take me out to the Ballgame" at Wrigley, Roseanne's "National Anthem", and the track star who's name escapes me at the moment assassinated the Anthem as well.

That being said, yeah the grrrowl was awful.

Carl Lewis was the track star you reference. Those were one time incidents. The growl was a perpetual pox on the House of Neyland for a number of years.

 

[volfan2024]

Carl Lewis was the track star you reference. Those were one time incidents. The growl was a perpetual pox on the House of Neyland for a number of years.

Perpetual pox....Gift to gab....If your attorney license ever gets revoked( :biggrin2 I'm sure you could be an English professor somewhere. :dunno:

 

[hatvol96]

Perpetual pox....Gift to gab....If your attorney license ever gets revoked( :biggrin2 I'm sure you could be an English professor somewhere. :dunno:

I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[volfan2024]

I'll take that as a compliment.

As you should.Just keep in mind, if you were to ever teach at UT, I'd strongly suggest you not to wear your 'hatvol96' tee shirt around campus.I have a hunch you might have to hire a bodyguard if you did. :birgits_giggle:

 

[hatvol96]

As you should.Just keep in mind, if you were to ever teach at UT, I'd strongly suggest you not to wear your 'hatvol96' tee shirt around campus.I have a hunch you might have to hire a bodyguard if you did. :birgits_giggle:

Actually, in about 20-22 months, I won't have anything to worry about. The football coach's office will have an inhabitant I like.

 

[QBvol7]

Right. My logic is that the Gaffney call in '00 and the personal foul call in '04 are both subjective and extremely controversial. They cancel each other out.

But that leaves the screwed up clock management by the officials after the personal foul call. The head of SEC officiating was in the stands and was literally running down to the field to try to get them to correct it but could not get there in time to salvage the error.

I put that in the class of giving teams an extra down by mistake (was that Michigan a few years back, can't remember). That gave you time to get down the field and in field goal range. Florida is owed one gi-normous objective screw-up in its favor and that affects the outcome of the game in their favor.

The thing is there are so many missed calls that go on during a game. One is just as crucial as the other. These 2 calls, 00 and 04, just happened to be late in the game. Any missed call can be a deciding factor. How many holding calls do you think they missed during these 2 games? Lets say there is a missed holding call and the back runs for 16 yards during the 2nd quarter of a game. The team ends up kicking a 47 yard field goal. Had the call been made, they might not have been able to kick it. They punt instead. Lets say they win by 6 points. That means late in the game, the opposing team has to go for a TD instead of trying to play for OT. But nobody would complain about that in later years to come.

 

[volfan2024]

Actually, in about 20-22 months, I won't have anything to worry about. The football coach's office will have an inhabitant I like.

Will a top ten finish this year cure all the PF woes?

 

[hatvol96]

Will a top ten finish this year cure all the PF woes?

Will I suddenly like him? No. Will I feel he's gotten the program back on its feet? Absolutely.

 

[hatvol96]

Will a top ten finish this year cure all the PF woes?

Double posted by accident.

 

[jakez4ut]

The official that made the personal foul call has publicly apologized both for it and for the clock screw-up. He said he should either not have called a personal foul at all or should have called it both ways, offsetting, with the clock then running. The SEC officially took that position.

As far as I know, no official in the '00 game has stepped forward and said they made a mistake.

On top of that, in that game Florida had a half minute and downs from the 5 yard line to score and there is a reasonable likelihood they would have won on the next play or the play after.

You guys were totally done but for the officials wrapping that game up and putting a bow on it for you.

boo hoo... :cry:

 

[volfan2024]

Will I suddenly like him? No. Will I feel he's gotten the program back on its feet? Absolutely.

There's hope for you after all Hat! :clapping:

 

[cotton]

I think the worse call was right before halftime during the Notre Dame game in '04.

And punting the ball down by 2 scores with a little over 5 minutes to go last year against Georgia.

If you throw in playcalling, I think the worst call had to be Clint Stumbler, sweep left, rather than diving up the middle and punting the ball with less than a minute left. I'm glad it happened, but I thought that was a much a coaching gaff as it was a ballhandling mistake.

It is my recollection, though, that the officials in that game made a huge mistake to set up that play. A couple of series earlier, the Ark punter kicked a botched snap out of the endzone, and UT was awarded a safety. Intentionally kicking a fumble is a penalty. I'd have to look up the rule, but I remember reading that UT should have had the option of taking the ball at the spot of the kick, which was about the 2 yard line. Assuming they punch it in, Stoerner does not go down in the book of football infamy, although maybe the long snapper does.

 

[volinbham]

I haven't gotten to beat the horse yet!

The call in the 2000 UF game DIRECTLY awarded the points to UF to win the game. While they MAY have scored on subsequent plays there is no doubt that the bad call DIRECTLY awarded the game to UF.

The calls in 2004 (one subjective, one objective) ENHANCED UT's chance to win the game but did not DIRECTLY award the points.

To say that one is "owed" another "objective" bad call is ridiculous. The magnitude of the 2000 call by virtue of it's DIRECT impact covers the subjective and objective component of the 2004 call(s).

To repeat - the call in the 2000 game GAVE points to UF. The call(s) in the 2004 INCREASED THE LIKELIHOOD that UT would get points.

 

[cd12]

mike keith would have been nice as the voice of the Vols but he sold out for the titans.

Keith did not sell out! His lips weren't as big nor his nose as brown as Bob's! HE saw the politics in action and is probably better off! But Pat Ryan got hosed!