Would Smart go to the Falcons?

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zjcvols said:
We always think “he’d be crazy to do it” but we don’t think like these guys. They’re super competitive people always needing a challenge.

Kirby is 48. He’s won 2 national titles and 2 SEC titles. He’s coached at Georgia 8 years already. Yes, it’s is Alma mater. But it’s a changing landscape, where college coaches use to get 3 months off now are working 24/7. The money is great. He probably won’t leave for a couple more years. But he gets another natty, a couple more SEC titles? I could see him trying it.
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Kirby is 48 and has 2 Nattys. Saban at 72? has 7 and probably won't get past 9, at the very, very best he could imagine.

Kirby has the chance to be the GOAT in college football because of his success at a relatively young age.

His competition is in college football record books.
 
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05_never_again said:
Oh no doubt - they are excellent in the execution of their scheme and fundamentals. My point is that the scheme itself isn't anything dynamic, unique, or special. They do very conventional things and do them well. My impression is that doesn't necessarily lead to a lot of NFL success. His defense is one of the few in CFB today that play man most of the time, and it's because he's got the athletes to do so. Every other defensive coach would do that too if they had his players. That's a credit to his recruiting and development, not his ability to scheme up.

The NFL is way more about out-scheming/outsmarting an opposing coaching staff because they've all got super talented players who are good at executing whatever it is they do. CFB is a sales and development position; the NFL is more a position of technical expertise.
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Maybe. But those 08/09 times he was the DC on weren’t super stacked and they were excellent defenses at Bama. He has always had talent, but developing is incredibly important in the NFL too. We all agree he is great. And even though there have been some very good defenders from UGA succeed in the NFL., the number of stars isn’t as high as you might think.

I don’t think football acumen would the issue in the NFL. It’s could he adjust how he runs his team to fit in the NFL. That’s a much bigger question to me instead of “Can he scheme it up.”
 
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wmcovol said:
You can build a team with free agents,drafts etc around a franchise QB but only 10 or so QBs are elite. Most of the teams with those are ones with a chance to win a SB.

I heard a former NFL coach answer after being asked "why would you take if you had the first pick, Lawrence Taylor or Peyton Manning?" He was a DC before a head coach and replied "I have seen the light, give me Manning, you cant win without a top QB".
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If you're talking being able to pick one player in isolation, yes, you'd take a QB over anybody else at any other position.

There aren't many elite QBs, but it is also just one position on your roster. The Falcons have several offensive weapons and a pretty good defense. It wouldn't be a horrible situation for a rookie QB to come into. If they had a good QB but gaping holes at half a dozen other positions, that arguably is a harder problem to solve. If the Falcons got a QB, they'd instantly become a pretty good team. If they had gaping holes everywhere but a good QB, they're probably in the same spot they are right now.
 
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zjcvols said:
Maybe. But those 08/09 times he was the DC on weren’t super stacked and they were excellent defenses at Bama. He has always had talent, but developing is incredibly important in the NFL too. We all agree he is great. And even though there have been some very good defenders from UGA succeed in the NFL., the number of stars isn’t as high as you might think.

I don’t think football acumen would the issue in the NFL. It’s could he adjust how he runs his team to fit in the NFL. That’s a much bigger question to me instead of “Can he scheme it up.”
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Even if he is a particularly good schemer, which I kind of doubt (he might be relative to other college coaches, not sure about NFL coaches), I don't think his disposition/personality would play well. Kirby just seems like a classic college coach to me. NFL guys tend to view their coaches as peers, not really a "boss" and definitely not as a father figure. They aren't looking to their coach as a source of motivation, life advice, personal development, etc. Saban really struggled with that in Miami.

I think there are very few current college coaches who would be successful in the NFL. It's just such a different type of role.
 
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05_never_again said:
Even if he is a particularly good schemer, which I kind of doubt (he might be relative to other college coaches, not sure about NFL coaches), I don't think his disposition/personality would play well. Kirby just seems like a classic college coach to me. NFL guys tend to view their coaches as peers, not really a "boss" and definitely not as a father figure. They aren't looking to their coach as a source of motivation, life advice, personal development, etc. Saban really struggled with that in Miami.

I think there are very few current college coaches who would be successful in the NFL. It's just such a different type of role.
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We agree on that. The fiery motivator type in the NFL is basically extinct in the NFL. You have more guys like Campbell, Tomlin, Harbaugh that are not schemers but culture builders and all of them are beloved by players. I agree that Kirby would have a tough adjustment with that.
 
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20 million vs 10 million.
No recruiting.... he'd be a fool not to give it a try.
 
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hog88 said:
NFL HC is a pretty dang comfortable job with probably less stress and hours.
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Jimmy Johnson slept at the complex ... Belichick broke up with his girlfriend in order to focus more on football duties. UHHHHHHH ... no!
 
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Proud Army Wife said:
I’d be absolutely shocked if Kirby didn’t retire at UGA.
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I agree, seemingly with his personality type and strengths, it would seem foolish to leave GA. He is making ridiculous money and has ridiculous job security. And it seems as if he honestly enjoys what he does, which can be a big key for success.

If I weren’t a GA fan I would be ecstatic if Kirby left GA. I’ve no delusions of grandeur wherein GA wins it all every other year, but it’s likely that most years GA will be a powerhouse so long as Kirby is HC.
 
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05_never_again said:
Kirby's style doesn't seem like a fit for the NFL at all. He's as successful as he is in college because he's a great recruiter and motivator, and is an alum of the school he's coaching, who is effectively giving him unlimited resources.

Recruiting is an irrelevant skill for an NFL coach, and motivational abilities a marginal skill because those guys are professionals.
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He's successful because the went to georgia at a time when both Tennessee and Florida were way down. He is NOT some coaching savant they you guys try to make his out to be. We're on the way back now. It won't be long before Florida is as well. As these talent gaps get smaller you will see more and more bone head play calls from Smart. I see him about parallel to Dabo and he is full of the same crap as well.
 
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Volnanza said:
He's successful because the went to georgia at a time when both Tennessee and Florida were way down. He is NOT some coaching savant they you guys try to make his out to be. We're on the way back now. It won't be long before Florida is as well. As these talent gaps get smaller you will see more and more bone head play calls from Smart. I see him about parallel to Dabo and he is full of the same crap as well.
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Really, 🤣😂🤣. I do however agree that TN is certainly on an upward trajectory, and Florida likely will be soon as well. Good games coming in the future!!!
 
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Volnanza said:
He's successful because the went to georgia at a time when both Tennessee and Florida were way down. He is NOT some coaching savant they you guys try to make his out to be. We're on the way back now. It won't be long before Florida is as well. As these talent gaps get smaller you will see more and more bone head play calls from Smart. I see him about parallel to Dabo and he is full of the same crap as well.
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He isn't successful just because Tennessee and UF were/are down. Tennessee and UF were down the last several years of Richt's tenure as well.
 
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05_never_again said:
He isn't successful just because Tennessee and UF were/are down. Tennessee and UF were down the last several years of Richt's tenure as well.
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They were a 10 win team when they fired Richt. That's not down. He's had a long, long honeymoon being in the SEC east and never having to play bama. Always having the softest of schedules. Those days are over. They still have tons of stockpiled players to last for a few years. Lets just see if they are talking the same way 3 years from now when that talent gap is small and they no longer have a shielded schedule. If so I may reconsider.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I agree, seemingly with his personality type and strengths, it would seem foolish to leave GA. He is making ridiculous money and has ridiculous job security. And it seems as if he honestly enjoys what he does, which can be a big key for success.

If I weren’t a GA fan I would be ecstatic if Kirby left GA. I’ve no delusions of grandeur wherein GA wins it all every other year, but it’s likely that most years GA will be a powerhouse so long as Kirby is HC.
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Oh I would be absolutely delighted if he left UGA but it’s undeniable that he loves his Alma mater. The only way he leaves would be if he were pushed out because of a scandal ala Mel Tucker or something crazy like that lol.
 
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05_never_again said:
There's no way an NFL team would throw $20m at him right out of the gate, as a rookie HC. Kirby makes more than all but 6-7 NFL head coaches already.
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That number has been tossed around.
I guess we'll see if there's any validity to story or just someone's opinion. 😉
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I agree, seemingly with his personality type and strengths, it would seem foolish to leave GA. He is making ridiculous money and has ridiculous job security. And it seems as if he honestly enjoys what he does, which can be a big key for success.

If I weren’t a GA fan I would be ecstatic if Kirby left GA. I’ve no delusions of grandeur wherein GA wins it all every other year, but it’s likely that most years GA will be a powerhouse so long as Kirby is HC.
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It would be very irrational for him to leave UGA unless it is all about money, which I don't think he is built like that.

He's an alum, he's obviously got it rolling there.
 
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Volnanza said:
He's successful because the went to georgia at a time when both Tennessee and Florida were way down. He is NOT some coaching savant they you guys try to make his out to be. We're on the way back now. It won't be long before Florida is as well. As these talent gaps get smaller you will see more and more bone head play calls from Smart. I see him about parallel to Dabo and he is full of the same crap as well.
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He’s light years ahead of Dabo and actually has a specialty and a track record to prove it. Dabo was/is a culture guy only and lucked into b2b generational QB’s and played in a ****** conference with minimal competition. Without them he’s been mediocre in a ****** conference. Kirby made 3 title game appearances with Fromm and SB4; hardly world beaters.
 
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I think 'Bama takes a huge step back with Saban gone. If Kirby goes to the Falcons I don't see Georgia being the same team either.

The stars seem to be aligning. The SEC is up for grabs. If not next year than certainly in 2025.

I wonder how many recruits from those teams come our way?
 
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