Year One in Review

How is Cuonzo Martin doing at UT?

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#52
#52
tvolsfan said:
Martin's team exceeded expectations while Dooley has spent most of his time embarrassing himself. That's the big difference.
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I like Martin. The situations that each took over aren't comparable though, and the sports aren't either.
I do disagree with exceeding expectations as well. I think we missed out on 4-5 wins for various reasons and had several 4 star players starting.
I like them both.
 
#54
#54
volbeast33 said:
How has he embarrassed himself besides not winning yet?
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His record is pretty embarrassing. Other than that, his embarrassments include, but aren't limited to, the orange dog silliness, the ridiculous reaction to the win over Vanderbilt, and running off the field like a spoiled brat after the LSU game.
 
#55
#55
I was pleasantly suprised with how hard we played. More consistency and I don't think anything can stop us, hard to hate a team that hustles.
 
#56
#56
Spartacavolus said:
It's obviously more difficult to get 7 or 8 basketball players to focus rather than 80 guys recruited by 3 different coaches.
Brilliant comparison.
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Great post. Comparing these two situations is laughable. Another point you didn't bring up (shouldn't have to) is SOS. SEC basketball is a joke compared to SEC football. It might be comparable if you added UNC, Syracuse, Mich St., and OSU to the SEC for basketball.

You might want to stick to basketball zjc, because your hate for Dooley is ruining what are usually solid posts.
 
#57
#57
tvolsfan said:
The basketball team had horrific talent, especially pre-Stokes.
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horrific talent? what kevin oneill walked into at tennessee was horrific talent......Martin inherited several 4 star players that showed potential but it was unknown if they would reach it or not last yr...
 
#58
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tvolsfan said:
His record is pretty embarrassing. Other than that, his embarrassments include, but aren't limited to, the orange dog silliness, the ridiculous reaction to the win over Vanderbilt, and running off the field like a spoiled brat after the LSU game.
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so a motivational tool....private celebration of a win and being mad about a last second loss when you thought you had won in what would have been his first signature win at tennessee is embarrassing.....I really doubt you would be complaining if he had been winning games....The man took over a job that he knew them first two years were going to be trash and he has done a fair job but it doesnt matter bc this yr he has the talent to be able to prove if he can coach or not.....if he doesnt get it done we move on to the next guy
 
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#59
#59
volbeast33 said:
horrific talent? what kevin oneill walked into at tennessee was horrific talent......Martin inherited several 4 star players that showed potential but it was unknown if they would reach it or not last yr...
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Martin inherited a bunch of guys who had trouble beating out Steven Pearl for playing time.
 
#62
#62
tvolsfan said:
Feel free to believe Martin inherited a good roster if it makes you feel better about Dooley.
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What percentage of the basketball roster were 4 stars when Martin took over? What percentage of the football team were 4 stars? Do some research and come back with a more productive post next time.
 
#63
#63
tvolsfan said:
Martin inherited a bunch of guys who had trouble beating out Steven Pearl for playing time.
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Steven Pearl hustled, worked hard on defense, and played within his abilities......Maymon and the rest were immensely more talented than Pearl but had trouble playing under control.
 
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Ernest Volmingway said:
What percentage of the basketball roster were 4 stars when Martin took over? What percentage of the football team were 4 stars? Do some research and come back with a more productive post next time.
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Right. Martin was lucky to inherit guys like Swiperboy.
 
#65
#65
tvolsfan said:
Feel free to believe Martin inherited a good roster if it makes you feel better about Dooley.
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I love Coach Martin and Dooley and hope both get the jobs done. I am very excited about both the basketball and football seasons and I think both coaches will get the job done.

Martin has proved that it looks like he will be a pretty good coach but still has alot to prove with recruiting but I think he will get the job done there as well.

Dooley has proved he can hang in their recruiting and will prove this yr whether he can coach or not. The football team has been completely overwhelmed talent wise the first two yrs. I think he will get the job done
 
#66
#66
tvolsfan said:
Martin inherited a bunch of guys who had trouble beating out Steven Pearl for playing time.
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Well, I believe one was the State POY twice (maymon). Golden and McRae both had a ton of accolades coming out of GA. And he reeled in Stokes, who would have been a McD's AA. That's 4 of the top 6 players that were very highly ranked.
Martin did a good job of gelling them, for the most part. And he motivated a somewhat lazy Maymon and unleashed a monster. The comments about no talent are just uninformed though.

SP played as a Sr over the transfers or freshmen because he played D and could guard the 2, 3 or 4 when necessary on defensive switches. All it takes is an open mind and a little basketball knowledge to see the reasons on the court.
 
#67
#67
I didn't say there was no talent whatsoever. I am saying he didn't inherit a great roster and the team clearly overachieved.

Dooley can't say that right now.
 
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#68
tvolsfan said:
I didn't say there was no talent whatsoever. I am saying he didn't inherit a great roster and the team clearly overachieved.

Dooley can't say that right now.
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I know DD can't say it. Not sure if making the NIT is overachieving either. You guys making the comparison still don't understand the difference between walking in a room and selling 10 guys in a basketball situation, vs walking in a room and selling 60 guys who have now seen their 3rd coach, and the other 20 signed to play for you. It's not going to be turned around quickly, in some situations. Businesses, life, sports. It's all the same. Some things take more time to rebuild than others. Depends on the damage.
 
#69
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I'm not saying the situations they inherited were identical, but it's pretty hard to deny that Martin has done a better job.
 
#70
#70
tvolsfan said:
I didn't say there was no talent whatsoever. I am saying he didn't inherit a great roster and the team clearly overachieved.

Dooley can't say that right now.
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He didnt inherit a great roster but it was not nearly as bad as some say. I thought before the season started we would be an NIT team and that was where we finished. I do think he over achieved in coming back to finish 2nd in the SEC and the future appears bright with Martin but he still has to prove it on the court and in recruiting.

Dooley might have been able to say it if the football teams two best players didnt leave with injuries or if in his first yr the breaks at the end of the LSU and NC games had went our way.. Too many people feel that a football coach in the SEC could put me and my friends in orange uniforms and win in the SEC with good coaching....Look at Mike Stranges article on Govols that shows how even the greatest coaches could not win until that built up their roster.
 
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#72
tvolsfan said:
I'm not saying the situations they inherited were identical, but it's pretty hard to deny that Martin has done a better job.
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Noone can say that bc the situations, players, and competition is not nearly the same. Now if he took over Kevin oneills first team at Tennessee, that would be a fairer comparison.
 
#74
#74
It's pretty obvious. How do you think Bruce Pearl does without Tobias Harris and Scotty Hopson his final year?
 
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