Year Two: win a bowl game or go sit in the hot seat

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Eddie Vol Halen

Eddie Vol Halen

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With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
 
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Who's opinion would that be? The opinion that I read was that of an uninformed hack writer. Most people can write articles nowadays, that does not make them the majority opinion. Especially since he ranks 10th in the SEC.
 
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Go to a bowl game but if not, I don't think he can be on the hot seat. If we don't get to a bowl by 2015... Then I would reevaluate Butch Jones
 
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allsgood21 said:
Go to a bowl game but if not, I don't think he can be on the hot seat. If we don't get to a bowl by 2015... Then I would reevaluate Butch Jones
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By 2015, Jones should be competing for the east and that is not an unrealistic expectation either.
 
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Butch is doing fine, and if he doesn't get to a bowl game this year, he won't be on the hot seat.

We play an incredibly tough schedule.

What he should be judged on at this point is recruiting classes, and he's a doing marvelous job there.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Butch is doing fine, and if he doesn't get to a bowl game this year, he won't be on the hot seat.

We play an incredibly tough schedule.

What he should be judged on at this point is recruiting classes, and he's a doing marvelous job there.
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We've played a tough schedule the last 4 years. Wasn't excuse enough for the last coach and shouldn't be for this coach
 
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ntxVOL said:
2016
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Really why? The 2014 signees will all be seasoned by then and we should at least have another solid class this year. Additionally, the O & D should be fine with decent depth. If Butch and Co. are signing high caliber recruits, then high expectation come along with it. No excuses in year three with the exception of injuries of course.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Really why? The 2014 signees will all be seasoned by then and we should at least have another solid class this year. Additionally, the O & D should be fine with decent depth. If Butch and Co. are signing high caliber recruits, then high expectation come along with it. No excuses in year three with the exception of injuries of course.
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Because we'll have a ton of Freshmen and Sophomores starting in the SEC. There's a big difference between that and then adding a whole other class (highly rated) and starting a lot of Juniors and Sophomores.

I want to win 6 games this year and go bowling and get 15 extra practices + more exposure. Winning the bowl game is gravy. Beat USU, Ar St, UTC, Kentucky, Vandy, and one of UF and Mizzou and we'll be on track.
 
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cd12 said:
He gets at least four years for the simple reason Dooley got three...
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So according to you, a "better" coach being paid more should get more time than the coach just fired for failing to win? Usually when you spend more money to "upgrade" a hire... the standard does not GO DOWN.

The irrational hatred against Dooley for simply not being good enough to fix the problems he inherited aside... if Jones W/L record is equal to or worse than Dooley's after 3 years then there is absolutely no question that his future with UT should be looked at.
 
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You're wrong on so many levels that your opinion here is a joke!

buTch is NOT overpaid and in fact 9 other SEC coaches earn more than he does so he's on the lower rung of SEC coaches pay.

Next this is really the FIRST real recruiting class of his since last year he only tried to add to what CDD had put together and he added some pretty good players in a very short period of time.

buTches 1st recruiting class are true freshmen and some aren't even up to date on the playbook yet.

Next check our schedule and you'll see it's 1 of the toughest in the country and those that OVERexpect like you're obviously doing ARE part ofthe problem we've been having trying to get good coaches on the hill to rebuild our program the right ways.

Even if nick satan had left alabummer to rebuild our footVol team it would take him 4 years of good recruiting to get us back to the top but you expect buTch to do wonders with his 1st recruiting class, LOL!

I'd suggest you actually learn something about college football, recruiting and what it really takes to rebuild a total program and spend less time on here making yourself look so dumb with posts already calling for more than any coach could do in such a sort timeframe.

I hope for 6 Wins this season but I won't be surprised if we get less than 6 with our brutal schedule.

It's sad how many here on VN are still so totally UNrealistic.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Ya I think we definitely need to make a bowl this year to consider us trending in the right direction. However with the coaching turmoil we've been through, and the lack of stability - not to mention financial woes....I doubt a hot seat will be available to place another UT coach in.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
Because we'll have a ton of Freshmen and Sophomores starting in the SEC. There's a big difference between that and then adding a whole other class (highly rated) and starting a lot of Juniors and Sophomores.

I want to win 6 games this year and go bowling and get 15 extra practices + more exposure. Winning the bowl game is gravy. Beat USU, Ar St, UTC, Kentucky, Vandy, and one of UF and Mizzou and we'll be on track.
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We are talking about 2015 correct? In the upcoming 2014 season, I think 6-6 is reasonable.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Really why? The 2014 signees will all be seasoned by then and we should at least have another solid class this year. Additionally, the O & D should be fine with decent depth. If Butch and Co. are signing high caliber recruits, then high expectation come along with it. No excuses in year three with the exception of injuries of course.
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Our roster won't have enough talent to realistically compete for the east in 2015. We don't even know how the 2015 class is going to turn out yet.

Even with a top 5 2015 class, we will still have depth issues next year. Just takes time to fill the roster with the quality talent we need to get us to the SEC CCG.

2016 is still a stretch I think.
 
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FIRE BUTCH!!! AAAAHHHH!!! (sarcasm)...... I think we need to see some actual play time before we put him on the hot seat. Even this year with so many Freshmen that are likely to see play time it may be 2015 before I would put him there.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
You're wrong on so many levels that your opinion here is a joke!

buTch is NOT overpaid and in fact 9 other SEC coaches earn more than he does so he's on the lower rung of SEC coaches pay.

Next this is really the FIRST real recruiting class of his since last year he only tried to add to what CDD had put together and he added some pretty good players in a very short period of time.

buTches 1st recruiting class are true freshmen and some aren't even up to date on the playbook yet.

Next check our schedule and you'll see it's 1 of the toughest in the country and those that OVERexpect like you're obviously doing ARE part ofthe problem we've been having trying to get good coaches on the hill to rebuild our program the right ways.

Even if nick satan had left alabummer to rebuild our footVol team it would take him 4 years of good recruiting to get us back to the top but you expect buTch to do wonders with his 1st recruiting class, LOL!

I'd suggest you actually learn something about college football, recruiting and what it really takes to rebuild a total program and spend less time on here making yourself look so dumb with posts already calling for more than any coach could do in such a sort timeframe.

I hope for 6 Wins this season but I won't be surprised if we get less than 6 with our brutal schedule.

It's sad how many here on VN are still so totally UNrealistic.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
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I think something a lot of people miss is *great* coaches make *great* turnarounds with teams. Coach Saban took an Alabama team just as run in the dirst as our program, and finished 12-2 his second season there. Coaching plays a bigger part in college football than any other sport that I can think of. You evaluate the weaknesses of another team and put your players in a position to capitalize on that with your strengths... Saban is great at this along with other coaches like Gus.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
Because we'll have a ton of Freshmen and Sophomores starting in the SEC. There's a big difference between that and then adding a whole other class (highly rated) and starting a lot of Juniors and Sophomores.
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Here's the glaring problem that so many of you want to avoid. Jones has recruited well by selling a dream. That dream is "being part of something special" and "restoring UT to its rightful place". He sold it well in '14 AND very importantly benefited from a large number of talented UT legacies. Continuing to get those players by selling that dream WILL REQUIRE the ability to point to results ON the field. If he does not win more than 5 games this fall... don't plan on "adding a whole other class (highly rated)".

I want to win 6 games this year and go bowling and get 15 extra practices + more exposure. Winning the bowl game is gravy. Beat USU, Ar St, UTC, Kentucky, Vandy, and one of UF and Mizzou and we'll be on track.
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Fair or not (I think it is), Jones needs 6 to 8 wins this fall. Absent a charmed season like Mizzou had last fall when their key opponents all lost critical players just before playing them... UT isn't ready to make a run at the SEC. But taking a step forward is not only reasonable... it is VERY necessary.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
With the opinion circulating that Butch is overpaid, I think it is time to put down the metric for which Year Two will be judged.

Getting to a bowl game is an absolute minimum. Butch is making big boy dinero and he left wins on the field last year. We can forgive (because look who coached them the year before) but there are six no-brainer wins on our schedule and this team is already more than half his.

With the talent he has brought in, an extra month of practice, and we should absolutely handle any low tier bowl opponent. A 6 - 7 year and I think the heat should be on (and rightly so).

I like Butch, and I like almost everything he has done to date in Orange. At the end of the day though, Ws are the only coin of the realm. I think winning a bowl game is a successful Year Two. *

* (anything above 7-wins and the season is a big success as well, bowl game not included)
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Which 6 are "no-brainer" wins? I see 2: UTC and Kentucky. None of the rest are. Oh, and Vegas says we don't go bowling this year apparently.
 
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