Yemi granted release. (order of protection taken 4/22)

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And also, I'm shocked that if there actually was a court apperance and public documents floating around why it took so long to break this. The media doesn't care how many stars is beside your name or the name of the team on your chest so I'm shocked this stayed silent for this long.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Basilio had a quest on (turned it on late, so don't know who it was) that was discussing the Yemi / CCM deal. CCM was getting some heat on the show saying that it was a cover up of some sort. I didn't get to hear the whole show, so I don't know all the details, but it does appear that CCM is getting criticized on the sports radio shows also.
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Yeah. This was strange with or without the JUCO signing because you don't get rid of post players when your already thin in that area, especially when one of your biggest contributers are still considering the draft. Personally, I thought it was grades.
 
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BruinVol said:
Sure there are reasons the circumstances could have changed after Martin/Hart initially looked into it. Regardless Martin looks bad playing him only to have the story change or yemi didn't follow his end of the bargain. Either way Martin deserves criticism from standing by a player that later let him down or by turning a blind eye and continuing to play him. That's is if you are correct in that this lead to him no longer being a vol
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I do not agree with this line of thinking. Coaches stand by their players and attempt to help them grow from their mistakes. These are young men that often times need guidance from coaches. I do not think it is some sort of automatic critique on the coach when a player blows an extra opportunity that was given to them by a coach. I am not speaking specifically on the Yemi situation. But just that general statement that was made.
 
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It doesn't take much to get an "Order of Protection" or a "Restraining Order". It is basically just a complaint. You can get an Order of Prot for just about anything. The real story is there weren't any charges brought against him. If coaches should suspend players for having Orders of Protection brought against them, how long will it take over-zealous fans to figure it out.....come to think of it....TJ Yeldon looked at me funny in the grocery store. I'm scared. I think I need to file an Order of Protection against him.

If no charges are filed, coaches WON'T do anything other than some in-house punishments of some kind.
 
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therickbol said:
I do not agree with this line of thinking. Coaches stand by their players and attempt to help them grow from their mistakes. These are young men that often times need guidance from coaches. I do not think it is some sort of automatic critique on the coach when a player blows an extra opportunity that was given to them by a coach. I am not speaking specifically on the Yemi situation. But just that general statement that was made.
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I agree with your post on all matters that arent in a sexual abuse manner. Much different than giving a kid a second chance after a DUI or faile drug test IMO.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
If no charges are filed, coaches WON'T do anything other than some in-house punishments of some kind.
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So in your opinion this has nothing to do with why yemi is no longer a Vol???


Its seems many are using this to say why yemi kept playing but then also saying this is why he has been let go.
 
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foreverorange24 said:
Martin is such a F-in douche!!! Yemi was going to be a good player for us. He improved every game he played in and did his job. This was a dumb move by Martin and he can go "F" himself. He might as well transfer too, because he won't be here to much longer
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Thanks for your years of experience coaching Yemi. I am sure all fans and players appreciate your knowledge and foresight. Now, go crawl back in the hole from witch you came.
 
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patrick said:
Fact 1 - Temporary Order of Protection was granted against Yemi on 02/19.

Fact 2 - Yemi played 10 mins on Feb 19.

Fact 3 - Yemi logged mins on 02/23, 02/25, 3/2 and 3/20.

Fact 4 - CCM and Administration were made aware of the "allegations" at the time they were made.

Question - If Yemi "forced" CCM to part ways with him as a result of the OOP, why then did CCM not at least suspend him when the Temporary Order of Protection was granted?
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I disagree, it wasn't a criminal matter it was civil. The OP was filed until there was a hearing. No criminal charges. Does every team suspend players for civil matters or because the word sex is in the complaint people jump to automatic suspension.
 
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BruinVol said:
I said this yesterday. The instant the restraining order was issued it was Martin and Dave Harts responsibility to get all details before putting him on the court. In such circumstances a school must proceed on the side of caution regarding playing a potential sex offender after the incident. Maybe they did so but if so then it has nothing to do with his dismissal
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He's not a sex offender or a potential sex offender. The err of caution is innocent until proven guilty. Oh yeah that's right this is VolNation.
 
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darkgable said:
He's not a sex offender or a potential sex offender. The err of caution is innocent until proven guilty. Oh yeah that's right this is VolNation.
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Again has he been proven guilty now???


AGAIN I am not saying he should have been suspended in Feb. I am only saying IF he has been sent packing now because of this incident he shouldn't have played then. Two very different things.
 
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Seems like a lot of people are assuming that Martin knew about the OoP at the exact moment it was given to Yemi.

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that Yemi didn't tell Martin immediately? Do we know that Martin knew about it at all before the story broke? No, although he probably did, but I am pretty confident in assuming Martin didn't know about it for some time.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Seems like a lot of people are assuming that Martin knew about the OoP at the exact moment it was given to Yemi.

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that Yemi didn't tell Martin immediately? Do we know that Martin knew about it at all before the story broke? No, although he probably did, but I am pretty confident in assuming Martin didn't know about it for some time.
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Lets not assume Yemi is the only source that could have informed Martin of the inncident tho. Think the article going around yesterday said that KCPD turned the case over to Campus Police. Now, I wake up a little more cynical every day, but I dont for a second think that UT police wouldnt have told CCM about what happened.

I just think he couldnt suspend or bench the kid, becasue nothing had been proven. Hd the girl sought to file criminal charges, then CCM would have been forced to throw the hammer at Yemi, right then.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Seems like a lot of people are assuming that Martin knew about the OoP at the exact moment it was given to Yemi.

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that Yemi didn't tell Martin immediately? Do we know that Martin knew about it at all before the story broke? No, although he probably did, but I am pretty confident in assuming Martin didn't know about it for some time.
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I agree that yemi might not have told Martin but

IMO law enforcement and UT have such a relationship that as soon as something is in writing the AD is notified.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Lets not assume Yemi is the only source that could have informed Martin of the inncident tho. Think the article going around yesterday said that KCPD turned the case over to Campus Police. Now, I wake up a little more cynical every day, but I dont for a second think that UT police wouldnt have told CCM about what happened.

I just think he couldnt suspend or bench the kid, becasue nothing had been proven. Hd the girl sought to file criminal charges, then CCM would have been forced to throw the hammer at Yemi, right then.
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What are they going to tell CCM? It didn't look like there was probably cause to make an arrest or charge him with anything.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Lets not assume Yemi is the only source that could have informed Martin of the inncident tho. Think the article going around yesterday said that KCPD turned the case over to Campus Police. Now, I wake up a little more cynical every day, but I dont for a second think that UT police wouldnt have told CCM about what happened.

I just think he couldnt suspend or bench the kid, becasue nothing had been proven. Hd the girl sought to file criminal charges, then CCM would have been forced to throw the hammer at Yemi, right then.
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That would make sense, but I still feel 100x more confident in guessing that Yemi was not in a hurry to inform Martin about it.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
What are they going to tell CCM? It didn't look like there was probably cause to make an arrest or charge him with anything.
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Read yesterday that you spend a lot of time in court houses(for work of course). Do you know if the girl could have sought to have charges brought based solely on an accusation?

And before the PC's bash me, I am not saying this girl was lyin.
 
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GoobieVol said:
Read yesterday that you spend a lot of time in court houses(for work of course). Do you know if the girl could have sought to have charges brought based solely on an accusation?

And before the PC's bash me, I am not saying this girl was lyin.
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She can ask for an OP with nothing more than her word against his, and probably get it if she is credible.

The burden of proof in OP cases vs. criminal cases is much lower, and there are no juries that decide. OP's are "bench trials" where the Judge is the trier of fact.
 
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GoobieVol said:
lol, you blame him? He was barely seein the court as is.

Hey congrates on the fantasy W. :good!:
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Right, my point exactly.

Ha thanks man! It wasn't exactly competitive; most everyone stopped playing after the first week. But, I am the undisputed 2013 champion between Dadurker, YankeeVol, and myself! And Dadurker had a HELL of a team by the championship match against me. He had LeBron, James Harden, Ricky Rubio, Joe Jackson, Carlos Boozer, and John Wall. My roster used to be A LOT better, but injuries, trades, and inconsistent players made me drop a lot of the talent I had. In the end, I really only had Durant, JR Smith, and Kyrie Irving as my big-time players.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
She can ask for an OP with nothing more than her word against his, and probably get it if she is credible.

The burden of proof in OP cases vs. criminal cases is much lower, and there are no juries that decide. OP's are "bench trials" where the Judge is the trier of fact.
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Thank you sir. :hi:
 
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GoobieVol said:
Lets not assume Yemi is the only source that could have informed Martin of the inncident tho. Think the article going around yesterday said that KCPD turned the case over to Campus Police. Now, I wake up a little more cynical every day, but I dont for a second think that UT police wouldnt have told CCM about what happened.

I just think he couldnt suspend or bench the kid, becasue nothing had been proven. Hd the girl sought to file criminal charges, then CCM would have been forced to throw the hammer at Yemi, right then.
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There are players that are suspended routinely for criminal charges without conviction for simply being involved in questionable behavior. While the filing requesting an order of protection is not necessarily a criminal action, the violation of the order of protection is a criminal offense.

In Yemi's matter there were some serious accusations leveled against him by the petitioner - some college athletes have been suspended for much less serious allegations. CCM would have definitely been justified in suspending Yemi until the matter was concluded. But God forbid anyone should be critical of CCM and how he runs his ship.
 
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patrick said:
There are players that are suspended routinely for criminal charges without conviction for simply being involved in questionable behavior. While the filing requesting an order of protection is not necessarily a criminal action, the violation of the order of protection is a criminal offense.

In Yemi's matter there were some serious accusations leveled against him by the petitioner - some college athletes have been suspended for much less serious allegations. CCM would have definitely been justified in suspending Yemi until the matter was concluded. But God forbid anyone should be critical of CCM and how he runs his ship.
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Very very serious accusation. I just cant see the police NOT filing charges, and still being able to justify suspending Yemi. How easy would it have been to suspend the guy? What would we have been losing?

Promise I dont mind being critical. I just think it is a judgement call whether action could have been taken right after it happened.
 
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