You Haters are on the Wrong Side of This Story

#26
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smokey90 said:
If Fulmer is average then UT is below average. Your argument is weak.
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My argument is weak? Nope here it is. Fulmer was successful when he surrounded himself with high quality assistant coaches who could bring in top flight talent. He also benefited from a weaker SEC. When those assistants started to leave, so did the talent. The level of competition in the conference greatly improved and he was exposed as the average coach that he had always been. That's all.
 
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Boston Vol said:
My argument is weak? Nope here it is. Fulmer was successful when he surrounded himself with high quality assistant coaches who could bring in top flight talent. He also benefited from a weaker SEC. When those assistants started to leave, so did the talent. The level of competition in the conference greatly improved and he was exposed as the average coach that he had always been. That's all.
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This is spot-on, but good luck getting support for this POV on VolNation.
 
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It's really sad and pathetic reading half of the stuff that has been posted since this hire was announced. There are some people on this board absolutely bashing Butch Jones. I must ask you why? What has he done to deserve all of this negativity toward him? The guy hasn't even had his press conference yet. Maybe you don't support Hart's decision but in no way does that mean you shouldn't support Butch Jones. It's as if more people want Butch Jones to fail so they can say, "I told you so." You should want him to succeed. You should want him to bring this university back to where it belongs. How many people on here actually know anything about Butch Jones besides his W-L record? Very few but yet a lot of people think this is a terrible hire. How do you know? You don't. We don't. If you aren't going to support UT and Butch Jones, just do us all a favor and quit posting on this board. It's quite embarrassing to hear so much negativity directed toward a football program that you are a "fan" of. Go jump on the Alabama wagon if you are so fed up with UT. It won't hurt the feelings of the true fans and supporters.

I wish Butch Jones all the best and look forward to him giving his all every day.
 
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I've read alot of these posts and No One has given me one reason why this guy was chosen . He has not one win against a ranked team and he has never coached in the SEC . He has two conference titles and he wanted the job . When alabama needed a coach they stepped up and got the biggest name they could sign. Same for UK Basketball , Ohio State Football ( meyer ) and many other top hires at top universities.you get what you pay for ! When a company is in dire straits they hire someone with credentials and experience in the matters at hand.I'm not trying to hate on butch , I hope he can turn it around . Problem is he will have no time to do it, or time to figure it out. Obviously not too many people were interested in the job. By the way I'm glad its not Gruden. Goodluck Butch !
 
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I was hoping for a "name" coach to help with recruiting and to unify the fan base. So when I heard "Butch Jones", I immediately thought...who is that? But after watching some youtube videos I was impressed enough to think this guy might just make it. I love his intensity and passion, at least what I saw on the video. I heard him speak to his players about community, parents, family and pride to represent them. I am willing to have an open mind and give him a chance. Go Vols!
 
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Pay no attention to the haters. They would find fault with any coach that Tenn. hired. Laugh at their post and move on.
 
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Boston Vol said:
My argument is weak? Nope here it is. Fulmer was successful when he surrounded himself with high quality assistant coaches who could bring in top flight talent. He also benefited from a weaker SEC. When those assistants started to leave, so did the talent. The level of competition in the conference greatly improved and he was exposed as the average coach that he had always been. That's all.
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There is no way in hell that the sec was down in the 90s.
 
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tshadow said:
There is no way in hell that the sec was down in the 90s.
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Did they win six titles in a row? Have over half the top ten at one time?

Actually, just tell me which group of coaches is better: Dubose, Donnan, DiNardo, Nutt, Widenhofer, Scott vs. Saban, Richt, Miles, Bielema, Franklin, Muschamp (and Sumlin).

It's okay if you need time to think about it. I'll wait.
 
#37
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GreyhoundMan said:
I hope our players don't give up as easily as the posters on this board. Jones wanted this job, which is more than you could say for a lot of other coaches. Will he succeed? Jeez, I hope so. But let's give him a chance before starting the "Fire Butch Jones" website. Whattaya say?
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Actually, that is a great idea for a domain squatter. Whether it is in a week, a year, or fifteen years, it is almost guaranteed that someone will want it whether it is justified or not.
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The Saban and Miles comparison is a joke. LSU is in the middle of a recruiting hot bed and Saban had proven himself in arguably the best conference in the country at that time. Miles going to LSU and being successful would be like someone going into Bama now and being successful. It wouldn't be a hard job. I like Jones a lot better than the coaches that turned us down though.
 
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VKAman said:
Did they win six titles in a row? Have over half the top ten at one time?

Actually, just tell me which group of coaches is better: Dubose, Donnan, DiNardo, Nutt, Widenhofer, Scott vs. Saban, Richt, Miles, Bielema, Franklin, Muschamp (and Sumlin).

It's okay if you need time to think about it. I'll wait.
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ESPN was pimping the Big Ten then. The difference is we were at the top then and are looking up now. Look at the ten win seasons at UGA, Bama, UT, UF during that span. UT and UF were UA and LSU of that time period. People that diminish what Tennessee accomplished in the 90's as if it were due to a weak conference are mistaken. Below are the final SEC teams in the polls at the end of the season during UT's five year run and the most recent five years of the SEC. It looks very similar to now with the only exception being that the ESPN megaphone is cheerleading our conference now. 26 SEC teams were in the top 25 over the five year span beginning in 1995-1999 and 24 have been in the top 25 over the last five years. Facts.

1995 - 4 teams in final top 25 (two in the top three)
1996 - 5 teams in final top 25 (4 in the top 12, #1 UF)
1997 - 6 teams in final top 25 (3 in the top ten)
1998 - 4 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten, #1 UT)
1999 - 7 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten)

Last five years
2007 - 5 teams in final top 25(2 in top ten)
2008 - 4 teams in final 25 (2 in top ten)
2009 - 4 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten)
2010 - 6 teams in final top 25 (3 in top ten)
2011 - 5 teams in final top 25 (4 in top ten)
 
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thebjd said:
ESPN was pimping the Big Ten then. The difference is we were at the top then and are looking up now. Look at the ten win seasons at UGA, Bama, UT, UF during that span. UT and UF were UA and LSU of that time period. People that diminish what Tennessee accomplished in the 90's as if it were due to a weak conference are mistaken. Below are the final SEC teams in the polls at the end of the season during UT's five year run and the most recent five years of the SEC. It looks very similar to now with the only exception being that the ESPN megaphone is cheerleading our conference now. 26 SEC teams were in the top 25 over the five year span beginning in 1995-1999 and 24 have been in the top 25 over the last five years. Facts.

1995 - 4 teams in final top 25 (two in the top three)
1996 - 5 teams in final top 25 (4 in the top 12, #1 UF)
1997 - 6 teams in final top 25 (3 in the top ten)
1998 - 4 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten, #1 UT)
1999 - 7 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten)

Last five years
2007 - 5 teams in final top 25(2 in top ten)
2008 - 4 teams in final 25 (2 in top ten)
2009 - 4 teams in final top 25 (2 in the top ten)
2010 - 6 teams in final top 25 (3 in top ten)
2011 - 5 teams in final top 25 (4 in top ten)
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If good teams are good teams and coaching doesn't make a difference, why was Fulmer 4-1 against Donnan and 3-5 against Richt? 4-0 against DuBose and 0-2 against Saban at Bama? Is it not odd that Fulmer was beating these "great" top 25 teams when they had terrible coaches and immediately started losing when they hired good ones?
 
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VKAman said:
If good teams are good teams and coaching doesn't make a difference, why was Fulmer 4-1 against Donnan and 3-5 against Richt? 4-0 against DuBose and 0-2 against Saban at Bama? Is it not odd that Fulmer was beating these "great" top 25 teams when they had terrible coaches and immediately started losing when they hired good ones?
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I don't know, better players, motivation?
 
#42
#42
They all on my ignore list. I'm not reading the defeatist comments this time. Close to 100 now. I hope some see the light. The rest are just chonic trollers with no reason at this point except self attention.
 
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I'm on the wait and see approach. Initially I was very disappointed, but admittedly didn't know much about Jones.

There are a lot of unknowns as SEC football is as good as it gets until you hit the NFL.

When people bring up the Big East and how they all suck, consider this. Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. The SEC is far better then the Big East. The Big East teams are all on a level playing field and Jones' teams won consistantly against its compition. Teams are grouped together in conferances that are somewhat in line with each other. If he won there against equal compitition he could possilbly do the same here.

Then again he may not. TIME will tell.
 
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Boston Vol said:
My argument is weak? Nope here it is. Fulmer was successful when he surrounded himself with high quality assistant coaches who could bring in top flight talent. He also benefited from a weaker SEC. When those assistants started to leave, so did the talent. The level of competition in the conference greatly improved and he was exposed as the average coach that he had always been. That's all.
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And Meyers only won 7 games after he lost a great coordinator. Do you say Meyers is an average coach because of that? That argument is incredibly weak, too. And so Saban is average for beating UT, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Missouri. 6 of their 8 conference games were against bad teams.
 
#46
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WiseOlVol said:
Jones hire is getting excellent reviews.

Get over yourselves.

Miles and Saban came to the SEC/LSU w no more certainty of success.
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Haters is not really the correct word to use. It's more like unacquainted.
 
#48
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WiseOlVol said:
Jones hire is getting excellent reviews.

Get over yourselves.

Miles and Saban came to the SEC/LSU w no more certainty of success.
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wouldnt put myself in the hater category, just not excited. waiting to see what he does with recruiting.
 
#49
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
If Jones is such a great hire then why was he so far down on our list?
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The AD wanted someone the fans would get behind. I'm sure Hart is aware that he suffers a pr problem. Fans are more apt to knee jerk reactions than doing their homework. If the fans had done their homework there would not now be so many on the boards who have to justify their untennable reaction to this hire. There is more reason for our optimistic expectations than there was for both of the previous hires.
 
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thebjd said:
I don't know, better players, motivation?
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Saban definitely didn't have better players than us in his first year at Bama. The narrative that Fulmer didn't win a thing for a full decade because he just "got lazy" is one of the worst ones out there.
 
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