You know it will never happen, but SEC should probably cease Championship game at end of season.

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08Vol said:
There is a legitimate shot that both UT’s end the regular season undefeated. In this scenario, without a conference championship game who would win the SEC and get the playoff bye?
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We have tie breakers for that.
 
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LWSVOL said:
# 2 in the SEC would most of the time be better than other conf champs. #3 probably would also..
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But still number 2.

This would put to bed the concern about which conference is better. If the best of the SEC consistently beat the best of the rest...
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The SEC title game matters. Let’s say we don’t win the SEC this year and make the playoffs. We lose in the playoffs. Have we really won anything? No. Whereas if you win the SEC, make it to the playoffs and lose, you have still won something. Just making the playoffs isn’t winning anything of significance. There is no trophy for making the playoffs.
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No, but it's still a helluva accomplishment.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Forgive me if already discussed (I haven't seen it) but what if you are a two loss team that qualifies for SEC title game in Atlanta and lose to a 1 loss Ga or Bama or whomever.....You stand a real chance of being left out of playoffs because you played an extra game and lost against a top 5 opponent most likely. IF that happens, and I believe it absolutely could, that 3 loss team will feel cheated out of a spot. And that 3 loss team will be left out simply because the now 3 loss team lost a game that they didn't need to be playing - some might suggest such a "SEC title game" was just for money. I don't believe any playoff committee will allow a 3 loss SEC team in under that scenario, especially with the anti-SEC jealousy across the land.
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That can happen with any conference - SEC is not special in that regard.

An alternative would be to say that all schools that play in the conference championship get an auto bid. But I can guarantee we are going to see many conferences with multiple 1 or 2 loss teams where tie breakers will determine who plays - so once again someone gets left out.

Also, this is no worse than last year with 4 teams where a team with 2 losses that won the title game wasn't making it in if the team, they beat only had 1 loss or other conferences had unbeaten and 1 loss teams. Nothing has changed.

Increasing the number of teams doesn't change the argument - it just pushes the argument to the 7 bids that are not automatic.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Do some research on the economic impact on the city of Atlanta. Especially in years when Bama/ Auburn and UGA haven’t played in it. The multiplier is in the billions.
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As a Tennessee fan, I don't give a darn about helping the city of Atlanta. Not our job to aid or assist a big corrupt city in the south. Our job is to make playoffs.
 
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fefe said:
Every team in the playoffs get a BYE except the loser of a conference championship. The champions get a playoff BYE and the other top teams sit at home during championship week. The loser of the championship has to play 17 games while everyone else plays 16.

If the loser of the championship was guaranteed to get a home playoff game, that could make up for it. But that's not guaranteed and might even be less of a chance since they have an extra loss.
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The first playoff games are the week of the 20th, two weeks after the sec championship game. So there is a built in bye week.
 
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An SEC Championship means everything in our world.

Anything beyond winning this conference is $$$ and icing on the recruiting trail. Problem is that trail, IMHO, is diminished now with NIL and the Portal.

All that said, I'll admit it. Whipping Ohio State in a playoff game would be heavenly.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Forgive me if already discussed (I haven't seen it) but what if you are a two loss team that qualifies for SEC title game in Atlanta and lose to a 1 loss Ga or Bama or whomever.....You stand a real chance of being left out of playoffs because you played an extra game and lost against a top 5 opponent most likely. IF that happens, and I believe it absolutely could, that 3 loss team will feel cheated out of a spot. And that 3 loss team will be left out simply because the now 3 loss team lost a game that they didn't need to be playing - some might suggest such a "SEC title game" was just for money. I don't believe any playoff committee will allow a 3 loss SEC team in under that scenario, especially with the anti-SEC jealousy across the land.
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Excellent point, and yes, conference title games are only about the money, especially now that they are superfluous with the expanded playoff. We have discussed it before, but it bears repeating because it's so obviously an unnecessary game that is a pure cash grab.

I've said it before - no rule or policy is ever changed in big time pro or college sports where the effect on revenue isn't the primary focus. The conference title games bring in media as well as local revenue, so screw the 2-loss team that might get shut out of the playoff. They could expand the playoff to 24 teams and as long as the networks pony up, those games will continue.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
There’s always been lots of problems with the SEC championship game. In the past, the loser would usually go to the Capital One Bowl, or the Citrus Bowl, and another 1-loss SEC team that didn’t make the SEC championship game would go to the BCS bowl. This happened to UT/UF in 1999 and 2001. It favored UT in ‘99 when UF lost the SEC championship game, and it favored UF when UT lost the SEC championship game in 2001. So this isn’t a new problem.

If there is no SEC championship game, how do you determine who the SEC champion is if there are 2 undefeated SEC teams? That’s another problem expanded teams in the conference causes.
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We could always do a 4 teams SEC playoff to resolve that problem. Reduce the season back to 11 games and then you have nothing to worry about.
 
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08Vol said:
There is a legitimate shot that both UT’s end the regular season undefeated. In this scenario, without a conference championship game who would win the SEC and get the playoff bye?
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Bama. They get ranked ahead of us when we beat them and wipe the floor with another team that beat them. Why shouldn’t it be Bama?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The SEC title game matters. Let’s say we don’t win the SEC this year and make the playoffs. We lose in the playoffs. Have we really won anything? No. Whereas if you win the SEC, make it to the playoffs and lose, you have still won something. Just making the playoffs isn’t winning anything of significance. There is no trophy for making the playoffs.
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It’s a nice trophy! I’ve seen it!!!!
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
There’s always been lots of problems with the SEC championship game. In the past, the loser would usually go to the Capital One Bowl, or the Citrus Bowl, and another 1-loss SEC team that didn’t make the SEC championship game would go to the BCS bowl. This happened to UT/UF in 1999 and 2001. It favored UT in ‘99 when UF lost the SEC championship game, and it favored UF when UT lost the SEC championship game in 2001. So this isn’t a new problem.

If there is no SEC championship game, how do you determine who the SEC champion is if there are 2 undefeated SEC teams? That’s another problem expanded teams in the conference causes.
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The biggest problem for the conference is when a team with no losses loses the game to a team with 3 losses. I know that sounds crazy, but it could happen. So, a 3 loss team gets in the playoffs because of the auto bid, leaving out other teams including the ones who beat champion during the season. The other senario is the possiblity of rematch scenarios.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The SEC title game matters. Let’s say we don’t win the SEC this year and make the playoffs. We lose in the playoffs. Have we really won anything? No. Whereas if you win the SEC, make it to the playoffs and lose, you have still won something. Just making the playoffs isn’t winning anything of significance. There is no trophy for making the playoffs.
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There weren't SEC champions before the SEC title games started in 1992?
 
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Actually, now that there are no divisions and the top 2 SEC teams play for the title, this should be termed a playoff game. Same for the other 3 or 4 conferences. Top 2 conference teams play the first round of the playoffs, as well as for the conference titles. Then you have advanced 4 or 5 clear conference champions into the final rounds of the playoffs without the exhaustion of an extra game. Leaves less to be decided by the committee.
 
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VOLtaism said:
Actually, now that there are no divisions and the top 2 SEC teams play for the title, this should be termed a playoff game. Same for the other 3 or 4 conferences. Top 2 conference teams play the first round of the playoffs, as well as for the conference titles. Then you have advanced 4 or 5 clear conference champions into the final rounds of the playoffs without the exhaustion of an extra game. Leaves less to be decided by the committee.
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That is how a real championship process should work - you have to win a championship to play for the next one. Yes, the method at times would end up with the team that had more losses winning - but if you can't win your conference championship game, you really should not be playing for a championship at the next level.
 
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cyclevol said:
The biggest problem for the conference is when a team with no losses loses the game to a team with 3 losses. I know that sounds crazy, but it could happen. So, a 3 loss team gets in the playoffs because of the auto bid, leaving out other teams including the ones who beat champion during the season. The other senario is the possiblity of rematch scenarios.
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A 3 loss team playing in the SEC championship now, with the new format without divisions, is much less likely than it used to be.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Forgive me if already discussed (I haven't seen it) but what if you are a two loss team that qualifies for SEC title game in Atlanta and lose to a 1 loss Ga or Bama or whomever.....You stand a real chance of being left out of playoffs because you played an extra game and lost against a top 5 opponent most likely. IF that happens, and I believe it absolutely could, that 3 loss team will feel cheated out of a spot. And that 3 loss team will be left out simply because the now 3 loss team lost a game that they didn't need to be playing - some might suggest such a "SEC title game" was just for money. I don't believe any playoff committee will allow a 3 loss SEC team in under that scenario, especially with the anti-SEC jealousy across the land.
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If the 12 team playoff had been in effect last year, Ole Miss at 11-2 would have been left out based on the rules of who qualifies for the playoff. If not this year, then sometime there will be teams at 11-2 left out of the playoff. Unless they modify the rules. I wouldn't be shocked if it happens this season.
 
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