You wanna complain fine, but quit acting as if the seasons over

#27
#27
bnhunt said:
I disagree. I think this kills all the momentum we generated and that was a a really really really bad team we just lost to. I think we go 10-8 in conference and go to NIT and are probably looking for a new coach at end of season. This team is just too inconsistent to make a sustained run.
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We just won 4/5.

Do that same sequence through conference and we are in comfortably.
 
#29
#29
This has become a pattern in the Cuonzo era. There may be more losses like this coming this year. Even if we some how luck up and make the tournament, I don't think Cuonzo is really the guy we want long term. JMO.
 
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#30
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
This team that just rolled into Knoxville and beat us lost by 20 to a 8-5 North Texas team. RPI killer. No excuse for blowing this game. This team came out flat in the 2nd half.
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Hey, NT is tough! They might finish 4th, or 5th in the sun belt this year.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's not so much I don't believe we absolutely CANNOT make the NCAAT, it's that I don't trust Martin to get this team TO the NCAAT.

In other words, it's possible, yes, but Martin isn't giving me anything to base my faith in him on.
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Not that this is some raving post, but just look at how the season has gone. We are better resume wise than we were the previous 2 years. We barely missed both those years, so assuming we play like we have the previous 2 years we would get in.
 
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I'm not overreacting, but unless Tennessee goes 3-0 against Florida and Kentucky, I don't think anything short of 13 wins will do the trick. I'm not sure Missouri will end up as a "quality win."
 
#35
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We are 10-5 with 16 games left in the season. Not even half-way through. To say we're "hanging by a thread" is obviously a blind exaggeration.

Patterns?
Through 15 games the past 2 years, we've been 8-7, now we're 10-5 with the highest RPI we've had since Martin arrived. The eye test and the stats suggest that there will be less losses from here out compared to the previous 2 years at this point in the season. Not saying we're going to torch the SEC, but to act like the season is over when we're 10-5 and showing signs of improvement in 4 of the last 5 games is misguided. Lots of ball left to be played.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Did you predict us beating LSU on the road or Virginia at home by 30?

Point being, we are still in a spot to make the dance.

You wanna complain about the loss be my guest, but acting as if there's no chance to now make the tourney is foolish.
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Not complaining, Ive gotten use to this team. I know you are one of the best if not the best posters in the bball forum. However, the writing is on the wall. We're hot one game and cold the next. There's no guaranteed wins for us.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
We are 10-5 with 16 games left in the season. Not even half-way through. To say we're "hanging by a thread" is obviously a blind exaggeration.

Patterns?
Through 15 games the past 2 years, we've been 8-7, now we're 10-5 with the highest RPI we've had since Martin arrived. The eye test and the stats suggest that there will be less losses from here out compared to the previous 2 years at this point in the season. Not saying we're going to torch the SEC, but to act like the season is over when we're 10-5 and showing signs of improvement in 4 of the last 5 games is misguided. Lots of ball left to be played.
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We all know it's still possible for us to make the tourny. Of course it's still possible, but has this coaching staff showed us anything to make us think they can lead this team on a run that would get us in? No. They've showed us underachievement and inconsistency. Why will that magically change all of the sudden? We all hope it does, but we have no reason to have any confidence in this coaching staff.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
It'll be hard to win 4/5 with UK and UF both in that trend. ARK is no pushover either. The wins over LSU and UVA were good, but they don't compare anywhere near to UK and UF.
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The NCAA doesn't differentiate. The NCAA determines quality of win by the opposing teams RPI...

Florida: 5
Kentucky: 16
Virginia: 23
Xavier: 35
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The NCAA doesn't differentiate. The NCAA determines quality of win by the opposing teams RPI...

Florida: 5
Kentucky: 16
Virginia: 23
Xavier: 35
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I hope we make it BTO. I want nothing more than this team to make the tourny and make a run. I just dont have confidence in them doing it. Tons of talent, but that will only get you so far with mediocre coaching.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
I'm not overreacting, but unless Tennessee goes 3-0 against Florida and Kentucky, I don't think anything short of 13 wins will do the trick. I'm not sure Missouri will end up as a "quality win."
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We ready have 2 quality wins though, that's what many don't realize

12 or 13 SEC wins is probably the minimum number though, you're right about that.
 
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chris4vols22 said:
we are 10-5 with 16 games left in the season. Not even half-way through. To say we're "hanging by a thread" is obviously a blind exaggeration.

Patterns?
Through 15 games the past 2 years, we've been 8-7, now we're 10-5 with the highest rpi we've had since martin arrived. The eye test and the stats suggest that there will be less losses from here out compared to the previous 2 years at this point in the season. Not saying we're going to torch the sec, but to act like the season is over when we're 10-5 and showing signs of improvement in 4 of the last 5 games is misguided. Lots of ball left to be played.
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+1,000,000
 
#43
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm as mad as anyone, that may be the worst loss of the Zo era simply because of how we choked it away.

However, that loss doesn't doom us to the CBI all of a sudden. I will guarantee we are still in the next updated brackets, and our RPI will still be decent. We obviously just made it a bit harder on ourselves, but to act as if there's no way this team can make the tourney now is simply overreacting.
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What you say is possible but in the last 3 years what have you seen that will make us win that critical game or two to get us over the hump? If we had a track record to base our hopes on it would be easier to do.
 
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knoxville's finest said:
Not complaining, Ive gotten use to this team. I know you are one of the best if not the best posters in the bball forum. However, the writing is on the wall. We're hot one game and cold the next. There's no guaranteed wins for us.
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We just won 4 in a row, that's not really hot one game and cold the next.

We have won 10 and lost 5, follow that pattern and we end up 21-10? That likely gets us into the dance.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm as mad as anyone, that may be the worst loss of the Zo era simply because of how we choked it away.

However, that loss doesn't doom us to the CBI all of a sudden. I will guarantee we are still in the next updated brackets, and our RPI will still be decent. We obviously just made it a bit harder on ourselves, but to act as if there's no way this team can make the tourney now is simply overreacting.
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If we squeeze out a 12-seed, should we really consider that an overall success?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We ready have 2 quality wins though, that's what many don't realize

12 or 13 SEC wins is probably the minimum number though, you're right about that.
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UTEP and NC State's RPI's will probably continue to dwindle throughout the season, along with this A&M loss. Three bad losses should be okay to advance off of the bubble, but there are still plenty of opportunities to pick up a few more. There are still four more "toss up" games at home, alone, much less road games. It's definitely achievable right now, but if history teaches us anything, Cuonzo needs to have this team solidly in by the time the SEC Tournament rolls around.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm as mad as anyone, that may be the worst loss of the Zo era simply because of how we choked it away.

However, that loss doesn't doom us to the CBI all of a sudden. I will guarantee we are still in the next updated brackets, and our RPI will still be decent. We obviously just made it a bit harder on ourselves, but to act as if there's no way this team can make the tourney now is simply overreacting.
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Joke and you can hold me to it. We don't have the will or the coach pretty simple.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
We all know it's still possible for us to make the tourny. Of course it's still possible, but has this coaching staff showed us anything to make us think they can lead this team on a run that would get us in? No. They've showed us underachievement and inconsistency. Why will that magically change all of the sudden? We all hope it does, but we have no reason to have any confidence in this coaching staff.
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So that 4-game win streak with blowouts to 2 power conference teams means nothing? There's no difference between that team and the one that lost to Xavier, UTEP, and NCSU? I just don't see how anyone could expect the team to tank given the progress that's been made, and especially since we tend to play better in the 2nd half of the season. I just don't see the evidence to make me think this team has a better chance of sinking rather than succeeding. If we were 8-7 or worse, then I doubt anyone would disagree. But we're not, and we've clearly seen a significant improvement with this year's squad minus tonight's choke job. Not saying we're gonna win out, and not dismissing the possibility that we will suck, but based on what we've seen this year compared to the past 2 years, this team is on another level.
 
#50
#50
Berry4Heisman14 said:
We all know it's still possible for us to make the tourny. Of course it's still possible, but has this coaching staff showed us anything to make us think they can lead this team on a run that would get us in? No. They've showed us underachievement and inconsistency. Why will that magically change all of the sudden? We all hope it does, but we have no reason to have any confidence in this coaching staff.
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Like he said, the last 2 years we are 8-7 with a worse RPI. We barely missed both of those years, we are now 10-5 with a very nice RPI compared to the last couple years.

So yes, that alone is evidence to me that the staff has this team better than the last 2 years, and capable of making the dance.
 
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