You want perspective, here's my perspective

[HARTUPM]

Man our offense looked horrible yesterday, from an effort standpoint and from a coaching standpoint, it was pathetic.:thud:

 

[Coach Jumper]

If you have watched any games this year and think that woman can coach, then you are living in a fairy tale. The easiest way to the final four that we have had in years, and the opposing coach made ours look, well you saw the same game that I did. Not only will she NEVER be able to recruit, you have seen that already, but she can't even coach the x's and o's. It has taken fans a long time to see it, but I saw it from the beginning. There is too much hugging and patting, never working the officials, (watch Baylor and Mulkey tonight), and not being tough at all. It will continue to get worse as long as she continues to masquerade as a coach.

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Here.. here!!!!

 

[BACKDOC]

I haven't watched the lady vols in yrs., but I watched the last two games; more interesting when you're the underdog. What I noticed is they didn't play with enough intensity; especially when it came to rebounding, and loose balls. Look how many times Syracuse forced turnovers compared to the the LV's. The way I look at there is only one person that can be blamed.

 

[Volicity]

Imagine this type of happening in our football program... Oh yeah, it was kinda like this wasn't it... But did the University sit back and let anyone bring us further down... Not just "NO",,,, Hell NO!. No way. Don't F with UT football. It's a religion here...Did the university extend the contract of the pretender coaches that preceded the one we have now. NO. No they went out and got Butch and a couple of years later, look at his team... And its not just Tennessee folks, the nation knows UT is turning football around....

Now consider the history of the Lady Vols.... Many more titles than our boys of winter, yet, I hear nothing but, give Holly another year....To do what, ! ? . Match Pat Summit's career loss total?

I have been a fan all of my adult life to this lady vol program and I am torn up over this.... I am actually exhausted from watching that game.

Holly:
She didn't coach at all...Didn't work the refs...Didn't calm down her players...Subbed like she was scared...
And stood there with her arms either folded or on her hip the entire game... She is in over her head!

Watch the game again.... Moments into the second half she was looking up at the clock. Yes" watching the clock. . . A coach only does that in two instances... Hurry up and run out, or, because it is running out and they don't want it to... I wonder which thought was in HW's mind?

I am going to shut up now. To the dismay of some and the delight of others I am too upset to post anymore ... all I can think of is how the road to the final four was almost magically paved for us and we got a driver who wrecked the bus.... Dave, take this serious. . . HW just got out-coached by a guy that struggled to even get a coaching job and by an unranked team with no known players".

I may need find a defibrillator.

Sorry Vol Nation, but if I continue to post this mad, I may say something I will regret... TTY tomorrow.

Sigh.

good idea! Take a break from posting.

 

[Volicity]

We keep forgetting that Middleton won the national skills teat which including three point shooting, has she been developed? Russell has shown periods of dominate play, but has she been developed? We have several players whose skills levels have simply not been developed. We lose Graves and Moore but it is on the coaches that we did not recruit a big to replace those two. We had four years and blew it. It is very sad that we have reached the point that many fans want to settle for a program headed in the wrong direction.

Nobody was guarding Middleton at the skills event.

 

[T-TownVol]

Nobody was guarding Middleton.

Just like our defensive scheme yesterday.

 

[Coach Jumper]

What meds are you on ....or what have you been smoking ....you are delusional and refuse to face the facts .

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Enough of your hiding behind a mike. You and Heather attacked the volnation posters this morning... Grow some stones and invite a few of us to face our critics....


Give me a few day's notice and I can be at your morning site... I can ask a few of my more knowlegable posters to join us: ... What about it: Teacherdean, Townvol, cwbytrucker, djtee, vol4life, T-townVol, allenfan1, Vols4us....take your pick morning crew. We don't get p[aid to be HW cheerleaders.... Need more names to pull from dock?...???

 

[Volicity]

Originally Posted by armchair View Post
This year was not at all "magically paved" to the Final Four. You like to hear yourself talk a little too much, which I think is why you say a lot of inaccurate and dumb things--such as your absurd comments about why teams use a zone defense. This year's route to the final four was in fact quite difficult--having to beat a solid Green Bay team, then a good ASU team on their home floor, followed by a good OSU team, followed by another good team in Syracuse. That was a tough road.

The year we completely choked against Louisville--that was the year when we had a relatively easy path to the Final Four: we played our first two games at home, and then Baylor got beat and so we avoided facing them. This year was harder--but we had a better team. We should have stuck with our zone the entire game, and I'm not even sure that would have made the difference. Syracuse was unconscious in the first half. Losing Reynolds hurt us as Cooper had a bad game; and Carter wasn't good either. On offense our ball-movement was slow--again--and Russell was never a factor. We faced zone defenses all year--and yet never learned the proper way to attack them.

All of guards need to shoot thousands of three-point shots between now and the first day of practice next year, because we will be small next year and will need to be a much better outside/three-point shooting team. I was very encouraged by DD's play in the tournament: It seemed like, with the stakes quite high, she finally decided to drop her attitude and just play, and she was very good, though she didn't shoot well against OSU. But she was focused and just a completely different (and much better) player in the last half-dozen games. That's what we need from her. It is annoying to lose again in the elite eight--that's three times in recent years.




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Magically paved... Our bracket No #1, no #2, #3 in our way from the 16 to the E-8.... Sounds like a yellow brick road to me... Yet whipped profusely by an unranked Syracuse team....

Yes, Zone is for wimps.


And if it is a preference of my wisdom over your cheerleading...I would much prefer hearing the truth over fiction.

The men's Syracuse team will ride a wimpy 1-3-1 zone all the way to the Final Four

 

[LA Vol]

Dave Hart had never used a search firm in his career until he fired Tyndall. The reason he did use a search firm was to make it look like he'd learned a lesson from his "mistake" in hiring Tyndall who obviously had been in trouble before.

Some would argue that Hart was forced into using a search firm by his bosses due to the previous search who landed us a dead man walking before he'd even coached a game.

Either way...




That said color me convinced, let's roll the dice it can't be any worse right?

Like Kiffin right? Let some hotshot coach with his/her own system come in, show highlight videos throughout the complex, not of former Vols mind you, but from his/her previous stops...Maybe he/she brings in a top recruiting class of kids only for him to leave a year later and that #1 recruiting class is one of the greatest flops in NCAA history.

That could never happen twice right?

Then there's Dooley.

The Men's Basketball team has had 3 coaches since Pearl, football team has had 3 coaches since Fulmer and all we have to show for it a sweet 16 and a couple of bowl games...We really haven't gotten a whiff of the post season and I guess you think that couldn't happen to WBB because of what exactly?

So... you want to keep Holly, because change is risky and you fear failure? Yes, Hart hates search firms. He's an egomaniac who wants to do everything on his own, with no help from anyone. That's a luxury he won't get to enjoy so much anymore.

When an employee isn't meeting expectations, you either lower your standards and accept what you have or you find someone who can perform to, or exceed, expectations. Life involves risk. You either embrace it or you're afraid of it. You either demand more or you accept less. You either move forward or stagnate where you are. I want to move forward with a different coach because I believe there's someone better out there and you want to keep the coach we have because you're afraid UT will choose unwisely. We're not going to agree, because we have fundamentally different outlooks. TEHO!

 

[etsuvol13]

Can't spell holly warlick without at least a few Ls.

 

[madtownvol]

This year was not at all "magically paved" to the Final Four. You like to hear yourself talk a little too much, which I think is why you say a lot of inaccurate and dumb things--such as your absurd comments about why teams use a zone defense. This year's route to the final four was in fact quite difficult--having to beat a solid Green Bay team, then a good ASU team on their home floor, followed by a good OSU team, followed by another good team in Syracuse. That was a tough road.

The year we completely choked against Louisville--that was the year when we had a relatively easy path to the Final Four: we played our first two games at home, and then Baylor got beat and so we avoided facing them. This year was harder--but we had a better team. We should have stuck with our zone the entire game, and I'm not even sure that would have made the difference. Syracuse was unconscious in the first half. Losing Reynolds hurt us as Cooper had a bad game; and Carter wasn't good either. On offense our ball-movement was slow--again--and Russell was never a factor. We faced zone defenses all year--and yet never learned the proper way to attack them.

All of guards need to shoot thousands of three-point shots between now and the first day of practice next year, because we will be small next year and will need to be a much better outside/three-point shooting team. I was very encouraged by DD's play in the tournament: It seemed like, with the stakes quite high, she finally decided to drop her attitude and just play, and she was very good, though she didn't shoot well against OSU. But she was focused and just a completely different (and much better) player in the last half-dozen games. That's what we need from her. It is annoying to lose again in the elite eight--that's three times in recent years.

On target post.

 

[vol66]

So... you want to keep Holly, because change is risky and you fear failure? Yes, Hart hates search firms. He's an egomaniac who wants to do everything on his own, with no help from anyone. That's a luxury he won't get to enjoy so much anymore.

When an employee isn't meeting expectations, you either lower your standards and accept what you have or you find someone who can perform to, or exceed, expectations. Life involves risk. You either embrace it or you're afraid of it. You either demand more or you accept less. You either move forward or stagnate where you are. I want to move forward with a different coach because I believe there's someone better out there and you want to keep the coach we have because you're afraid UT will choose unwisely. We're not going to agree, because we have fundamentally different outlooks. TEHO!

Maybe that's true, but it's also based on a track record. I remember when the 8 game bonus was put into Fulmer's final extension, people thought it was ridiculous and that any coach that came to UT could win 8 games.

It took seven full seasons to get back to 8 wins. It looks like we may be on the right track but it's been a long road, a very long road filled with disappointment.

This thought that anything less than a F4 kind of strikes the same chord. The fact that we had the really long run of success is also similar along with the expectations.

Honestly, If CHW wasn't making the tournament or we didn't have the players to compete I could see it and maybe that will be the case as you and others predict, but I'm not ready to go through the grinder unnecessarily.

 

[SemperFiTn]

I think Holly falls into the category of people who does something over and over expecting different results each time. The substitutions yesterday where head scratching Dunbar makes a three then didn't hustle or block out on the next defensive possession and she is pulled. A shooter needs playing time. Look at Butler from SU she had some ill advised shots that didn't fall, but her coach kept her in. That helps build confidence. Holly picks and chooses who she pulls. Draya had tons of mistakes throughout the game. Dribbling into the traps and picking the dribble up. She get pulled yes but put right back in. My opinion until we get serious about demanding perfection like Geno we will get the product we have seen over the past three years. I have never been so disappointed with a team I see fans say they fought hard, I thought they showed no heart or attitude except some. Just went thru the motions.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Maybe that's true, but it's also based on a track record. I remember when the 8 game bonus was put into Fulmer's final extension, people thought it was ridiculous and that any coach that came to UT could win 8 games.

It took seven full seasons to get back to 8 wins. It looks like we may be on the right track but it's been a long road, a very long road filled with disappointment.

This thought that anything less than a F4 kind of strikes the same chord. The fact that we had the really long run of success is also similar along with the expectations.

Honestly, If CHW wasn't making the tournament or we didn't have the players to compete I could see it and maybe that will be the case as you and others predict, but I'm not ready to go through the grinder unnecessarily.

we backed into the tourney with 7 AA's... you may get your wish next year

 

[Coach Jumper]

I think Holly falls into the category of people who does something over and over expecting different results each time. The substitutions yesterday where head scratching Dunbar makes a three then didn't hustle or block out on the next defensive possession and she is pulled. A shooter needs playing time. Look at Butler from SU she had some ill advised shots that didn't fall, but her coach kept her in. That helps build confidence. Holly picks and chooses who she pulls. Draya had tons of mistakes throughout the game. Dribbling into the traps and picking the dribble up. She get pulled yes but put right back in. My opinion until we get serious about demanding perfection like Geno we will get the product we have seen over the past three years. I have never been so disappointed with a team I see fans say they fought hard, I thought they showed no heart or attitude except some. Just went thru the motions.

An excellent first post

 

[Coach Jumper]

The men's Syracuse team will ride a wimpy 1-3-1 zone all the way to the Final Four

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They can ride a zone into the sunset... Not this coach.... I only go zone when I am made to. Or have to.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Maybe that's true, but it's also based on a track record. I remember when the 8 game bonus was put into Fulmer's final extension, people thought it was ridiculous and that any coach that came to UT could win 8 games.

It took seven full seasons to get back to 8 wins. It looks like we may be on the right track but it's been a long road, a very long road filled with disappointment.

This thought that anything less than a F4 kind of strikes the same chord. The fact that we had the really long run of success is also similar along with the expectations.

Honestly, If CHW wasn't making the tournament or we didn't have the players to compete I could see it and maybe that will be the case as you and others predict, but I'm not ready to go through the grinder unnecessarily.

When Fulmer took over, he didn't have 58% of his team rated tops in the nation.

 

[Tenacguy50]

Good Grief. Reynolds was out. Carter and Graves had broken fingers and Syracuse's threes were going down. Looked like we tried a bunch of defenses to try to slow them down. When you get that deep into the tourney you're playing hot teams and they had a good day.

The truth is, this is the best thing that could have happened for the returning players. I hope it hurts until next year about this time and it motivates them.

They played hard in the tourney, I'm proud of them and the coaches.

No actual coach would be inclined to spew vitriol about another coach. Surprised with the attention the OP draws...squeaky wheel and all I guess.

Doesn't matter that Carter & Graves had broken fingers, or the fact Reynolds was out. If all three had been completely healthy Holly Warlick would have still sucked as a coach like she has all season. Holly Dooley Warlick & the entire staff should be replaced. Be worse next season with no HELP coming in...SMDH

 

[T-TownVol]

Maybe that's true, but it's also based on a track record. I remember when the 8 game bonus was put into Fulmer's final extension, people thought it was ridiculous and that any coach that came to UT could win 8 games.

It took seven full seasons to get back to 8 wins. It looks like we may be on the right track but it's been a long road, a very long road filled with disappointment.

This thought that anything less than a F4 kind of strikes the same chord. The fact that we had the really long run of success is also similar along with the expectations.

Honestly, If CHW wasn't making the tournament or we didn't have the players to compete I could see it and maybe that will be the case as you and others predict, but I'm not ready to go through the grinder unnecessarily.

Heeeee's Baaaaaack.........

 

[LA Vol]

Maybe that's true, but it's also based on a track record. I remember when the 8 game bonus was put into Fulmer's final extension, people thought it was ridiculous and that any coach that came to UT could win 8 games.

It took seven full seasons to get back to 8 wins. It looks like we may be on the right track but it's been a long road, a very long road filled with disappointment.

This thought that anything less than a F4 kind of strikes the same chord. The fact that we had the really long run of success is also similar along with the expectations.

Honestly, If CHW wasn't making the tournament or we didn't have the players to compete I could see it and maybe that will be the case as you and others predict, but I'm not ready to go through the grinder unnecessarily.

I understand your POV. UT has made some historically poor choices and has had some uncanny bad luck in a compressed period of time. But many of these choices were ill-advised and could have been avoided with a little more due diligence. Hamilton was always looking for an easy bargain-- hence, Kiffin and Dooley, both of whom came with red flags. Holly was promoted for much the same reason-- she was easy to get and she was affordable. And, like Kiffin and Dooley, UT hired Holly based on her association with someone else, hoping that would translate. And it didn't, time after time after time.

But again, the Final Four is the program's goal-- one that Holly supports. If UT thinks that is unattainable over a 5-year period, then we should re-evaluate our goals. But my issue with Holly is not failure to make the Final Four-- it's that I, like many others, don't think she has the skill set to be HC of a major program with high expectations. When she sits in front of the media and sadly and tearfully tells the whole world that she doesn't know what the problem is or how to fix it, then she is saying that she doesn't know how to do her job. If she can't do that job, she shouldn't have that job. I'd feel the same way if Rick Barnes had sat confused and befuddled at pressers, loss after inexplicable loss.

 

[dillyo51]

I'd be content with any coach not named Holly Warlick.

 

[vol66]

When Fulmer took over, he didn't have 58% of his team rated tops in the nation.

I don't know what that has to do with what I posted but the road is littered with four and five star players that don't pan out...in every sport.

The Blair kid in football, Hubbs in MBB and I don't think it's been for a lack of effort on any of the coaches parts...it just happens. Bryce Brown, all kinds of good coaches tried to get something out of him in college to no avail.

I assume ND and Stanford have elite talent, South Carolina, UK...

Aren't they at home too?

 

[Coach Jumper]

I don't know what that has to do with what I posted but the road is littered with four and five star players that don't pan out...in every sport.

The Blair kid in football, Hubbs in MBB and I don't think it's been for a lack of effort on any of the coaches parts...it just happens. Bryce Brown, all kinds of good coaches tried to get something out of him in college to no avail.

I assume ND and Stanford have elite talent, South Carolina, UK...

Aren't they at home too?

Did they have better seasons that UT, with less AA's?

 

[T-TownVol]

I don't know what that has to do with what I posted but the road is littered with four and five star players that don't pan out...in every sport.

The Blair kid in football, Hubbs in MBB and I don't think it's been for a lack of effort on any of the coaches parts...it just happens. Bryce Brown, all kinds of good coaches tried to get something out of him in college to no avail.

I assume ND and Stanford have elite talent, South Carolina, UK...

Aren't they at home too?

Bless your heart.......

 

[Coach Jumper]

Bless your heart.......

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Hey T... Doc and Heather said the internet posters are not fans this morning... I am going to get on to them like a duck on a junebug....... Wanna ride along if we get a chance to represent the VN on the show??