You want perspective, here's my perspective

[Coach Jumper]

Holly got out coached by Quentin Hillsman big time. And he did something Holly refuse to do or is to scared. He blasted B.Butler during a timeout twice on TV. And what did she due after that tongue lashing stepped up big time.

BIngo...He did to his star what we needed done for DD, COOP, and possibly Russell.... HW got out-coached by a man who originally wanted to be a sports agent.

You can't be scared to get into your "star's" grill.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Nobody wanted the opinion of some fake internet coach.

I will tell you the same thing I told vol66....

Set up a gym, a team and a time.... I will hold a practice for a team I have never even seen before and give them a better workout than anyone you want to pit me against............... You're Mr. "Connected" ... As You state!.. Put your money where your mouth is.

I have!

 

[Zoepfore]

Per Fansided: "Tennessee looked completely lost in trying to beat a zone defense and a press, which falls on coaching." I totally agree. Holly does not have the ability to adjust when the opposition changes tactics mid-game. Losing happens, but being consistently out-coached should not. Get some balls Dave Hart.

 

[Vols4us]

If fans are honest about it they will ask themselves this question. If this was the result at UK or Duke in men's BB, that the program had not made the FF in 8 years, had the most losses in program history, and had zero signees/commitments in the current class - would that HC still have a job? The LV's are in that category in their sport. If your answer is "yes" you have no concept of what the program has accomplished in the past or are trolling.

 

[DR2]

What's done is done on a 14-loss season, but the focus has to be on improving the shooting for next year's team, as with the departure of the seniors the remaining Vols had a FG% of around 38% this year. That really needs to be improved hugely, but much of the improvement needs to come not just from practicing jumpers but from getting an offensive attack scheme in place that allows the players to shoot high percentage shots instead of hoisting up late-in-possession heaves. And DeShields along with shooting better shots that get her above 39% just cannot be averaging only 3.2 FTAs a game for the Vols. Plum gets 8 per game and K.Mitchell gets almost 7, and that's what DD has to do. It isn't just the couple more points per game; it's that a foul-collecting player like Plum or Mitchell changes up the opponent's defense and opens up more offensive opportunities. But with Graves gone, major changes are going to be happening for the Vols in any case.

 

[LA Vol]

Yet you can't give your preference? How much they make compared to CHW's salary? A guesstimate of how much it costs because I guess that's not an issue.

Sure, I can give my preference-- I prefer that Holly Warlick be sitting in Dave Hart's office right now working out an exit package. Then I prefer that Dave Hart contact one of several search firms that UT works with on an ongoing basis and start the process to find the LVs a new HC who has the experience, the qualifications and the drive the program needs to succeed. Yes, it would cost more money than UT is paying Holly, and no, Hart is not going to do it.

I also prefer that UT find a position for Holly, if she would like to stay at her alma mater in another capacity. She is loyal, loves UT and did the best she could at a job for which she is not well-suited. If you're looking for me to provide a short list of candidates, their qualifications and salary range-- sorry, that's not my job.

 

[T-TownVol]

Sure, I can give my preference-- I prefer that Holly Warlick be sitting in Dave Hart's office right now working out an exit package. Then I prefer that Dave Hart contact one of several search firms that UT works with on an ongoing basis and start the process to find the LVs a new HC who has the experience, the qualifications and the drive the program needs to succeed. Yes, it would cost more money than UT is paying Holly, and no, Hart is not going to do it.

I also prefer that UT find a position for Holly, if she would like to stay at her alma mater in another capacity. She is loyal, loves UT and did the best she could at a job for which she is not well-suited. If you're looking for me to provide a short list of candidates, their qualifications and salary range-- sorry, that's not my job.

I concur 100%

 

[Coach Jumper]

Nobody wanted the opinion of some fake internet coach.

Not so vocal now...are you?

You got connections, so you say...

Gym, team and time... Coach jumper will do the rest....Or are you just blowing smoke?

 

[Coach Jumper]

I concur 100%

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Its not Holly's heart I question. Not at all... it is her ability to run a program from the top... I would keep her on as my guard coach.

Not interested in tearing down a career of more than 30 years.... But please. HW,,,, In the words of Clint Eastwood..." Man's got to know his limitations"... Or Wo-man!

 

[MDVolFan14]

Interesting perspectives all around.... This was the worst season for the LVs by a furlong and their run only made things worst and not better.

The points a few of you have pointed out about HW and her coaching decisions show you why after four seasons and 30 years sitting beside Pat, it's time for a change. She had no answers for Hillsman's approach. And to watch 5-ft. guards go to the basket with no fear against a 6-6 center was gag-worthy.

Coaching is about organization and systems. The great ones have built systems. The great ones make the adjustments in game. HW after a full season of struggling against the zone defense, never put anything in to make teams come out of it. The best way to beat a zone is ball movement and placing your players in position to attack the zone.

Heck if I were coaching, I would have even tried a 1-3-1 offense against the zone with Graves sliding across the foul line and Russell going block to block on ball movement.

If Dunbar is my best 3-pt shooter, I start her all year. She is not effective if you put her in, in spurts, let her hit a three and then take her out. Let her play and get comfortable and get a rhythm.

You have 8 HS AA's at your disposal. Coach, coach, coach!!! Cooper is a talent but she and DD need coaching that will coach them through seeing floor, where not to go when you have the ball to avoid the double-team and turnovers.

Specifically with DD, she is so athletically gifted but she is still raw because of a lack of coaching. Her speed is tremendous but she has to know when to use that speed and when not to under control. She reminds me of John Wall in his first couple of seasons with the Wizards. Tremendous speed but out of control a lot of times. Now, he's not slowed down but is picking his spots when to burst and when to glide.

Cooper needs to be coached on how the play the position at this level and to understand that the PG is the general, the one that makes everything go. This is not HS anymore and she can't easily split defenders or blow by defenders like she used to in HS. She has to see the floor, know everything that they are supposed to run and put her teammates in the right place. It's nice that she has a pretty good handle but that handle is no good when you are driving into double-teams and turning it over.

HW and her staff never made the adjustments to what Syracuse was doing nor did they make any adjustments to missing Reynolds, Graves/Carter injuries and the poor play of Russell. Add to that, just the lack of adjustments overall and the big one that has been a problem all season long..... offense against the zone.

 

[MDVolFan14]

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Its not Holly's heart I question. Not at all... it is her ability to run a program from the top... I would keep her on as my guard coach.

Not interested in tearing down a career of more than 30 years.... But please. HW,,,, In the words of Clint Eastwood..." Man's got to know his limitations"... Or Wo-man!

I wouldn't keep her as the guard coach. The guard play has been bad all year. You expect some bumps with Cooper as the freshman but the rest of the guard has been bad.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I wouldn't keep her as the guard coach. The guard play has been bad all year. You expect some bumps with Cooper as the freshman but the rest of the guard has been bad.

I wouldn't either,but the HW cheer-leaders would rip me if i didn't give her a consolation position... Oh,I forgot..., she has one now ;o)

 

[teacherdean]

This year was not at all "magically paved" to the Final Four. You like to hear yourself talk a little too much, which I think is why you say a lot of inaccurate and dumb things--such as your absurd comments about why teams use a zone defense. This year's route to the final four was in fact quite difficult--having to beat a solid Green Bay team, then a good ASU team on their home floor, followed by a good OSU team, followed by another good team in Syracuse. That was a tough road.

The year we completely choked against Louisville--that was the year when we had a relatively easy path to the Final Four: we played our first two games at home, and then Baylor got beat and so we avoided facing them. This year was harder--but we had a better team. We should have stuck with our zone the entire game, and I'm not even sure that would have made the difference. Syracuse was unconscious in the first half. Losing Reynolds hurt us as Cooper had a bad game; and Carter wasn't good either. On offense our ball-movement was slow--again--and Russell was never a factor. We faced zone defenses all year--and yet never learned the proper way to attack them.

All of guards need to shoot thousands of three-point shots between now and the first day of practice next year, because we will be small next year and will need to be a much better outside/three-point shooting team. I was very encouraged by DD's play in the tournament: It seemed like, with the stakes quite high, she finally decided to drop her attitude and just play, and she was very good, though she didn't shoot well against OSU. But she was focused and just a completely different (and much better) player in the last half-dozen games. That's what we need from her. It is annoying to lose again in the elite eight--that's three times in recent years.

We keep forgetting that Middleton won the national skills teat which including three point shooting, has she been developed? Russell has shown periods of dominate play, but has she been developed? We have several players whose skills levels have simply not been developed. We lose Graves and Moore but it is on the coaches that we did not recruit a big to replace those two. We had four years and blew it. It is very sad that we have reached the point that many fans want to settle for a program headed in the wrong direction.

 

[Coach Jumper]

We keep forgetting that Middleton won the national skills teat which including three point shooting, has she been developed? Russell has shown periods of dominate play, but has she been developed? We have several players whose skills levels have simply not been developed. We lose Graves and Moore but it is on the coaches that we did not recruit a big to replace those two. We had four years and blew it. It is very sad that we have reached the point that many fans want to settle for a program headed in the wrong direction.

I have never sung a middleton praise, but you're right, she did win both the skills challenge and the 3 pt shooting contest with 21.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Originally Posted by armchair View Post
This year was not at all "magically paved" to the Final Four. You like to hear yourself talk a little too much, which I think is why you say a lot of inaccurate and dumb things--such as your absurd comments about why teams use a zone defense. This year's route to the final four was in fact quite difficult--having to beat a solid Green Bay team, then a good ASU team on their home floor, followed by a good OSU team, followed by another good team in Syracuse. That was a tough road.

The year we completely choked against Louisville--that was the year when we had a relatively easy path to the Final Four: we played our first two games at home, and then Baylor got beat and so we avoided facing them. This year was harder--but we had a better team. We should have stuck with our zone the entire game, and I'm not even sure that would have made the difference. Syracuse was unconscious in the first half. Losing Reynolds hurt us as Cooper had a bad game; and Carter wasn't good either. On offense our ball-movement was slow--again--and Russell was never a factor. We faced zone defenses all year--and yet never learned the proper way to attack them.

All of guards need to shoot thousands of three-point shots between now and the first day of practice next year, because we will be small next year and will need to be a much better outside/three-point shooting team. I was very encouraged by DD's play in the tournament: It seemed like, with the stakes quite high, she finally decided to drop her attitude and just play, and she was very good, though she didn't shoot well against OSU. But she was focused and just a completely different (and much better) player in the last half-dozen games. That's what we need from her. It is annoying to lose again in the elite eight--that's three times in recent years.




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Magically paved... Our bracket No #1, no #2, #3 in our way from the 16 to the E-8.... Sounds like a yellow brick road to me... Yet whipped profusely by an unranked Syracuse team....

Yes, Zone is for wimps.


And if it is a preference of my wisdom over your cheerleading...I would much prefer hearing the truth over fiction.

 

[allenfan1]

Good Grief. Reynolds was out. Carter and Graves had broken fingers and Syracuse's threes were going down. Looked like we tried a bunch of defenses to try to slow them down. When you get that deep into the tourney you're playing hot teams and they had a good day.

The truth is, this is the best thing that could have happened for the returning players. I hope it hurts until next year about this time and it motivates them.

They played hard in the tourney, I'm proud of them and the coaches.

No actual coach would be inclined to spew vitriol about another coach. Surprised with the attention the OP draws...squeaky wheel and all I guess.

If you have watched any games this year and think that woman can coach, then you are living in a fairy tale. The easiest way to the final four that we have had in years, and the opposing coach made ours look, well you saw the same game that I did. Not only will she NEVER be able to recruit, you have seen that already, but she can't even coach the x's and o's. It has taken fans a long time to see it, but I saw it from the beginning. There is too much hugging and patting, never working the officials, (watch Baylor and Mulkey tonight), and not being tough at all. It will continue to get worse as long as she continues to masquerade as a coach.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I've tried to be objective when it comes to Holly. After all Lady Vol basketball is about all shes known. But you have to ask yourself one simple question: Do you really have the confidence that Holly Warlick can win a NCAA championship at UT? I mean that should be the standard, right? As for me, I have absolutely zero confidence that she can win a championship game, very little faith that she can even get to one.

I suspect what we've seen the last four years is her ceiling. If that's good enough for you, as as Lady Vol fan, then Holly is your coach.

 

[Vols4us]

I've tried to be objective when it comes to Holly. After all Lady Vol basketball is about all shes known. But you have to ask yourself one simple question: Do you really have the confidence that Holly Warlick can win a NCAA championship at UT? I mean that should be the standard, right? As for me, I have absolutely zero confidence that she can win a championship game, very little faith that she can even get to one.

I suspect what we've seen the last four years is her ceiling. If that's good enough for you, as as Lady Vol fan, then Holly is your coach.

It's the same thing we saw in the football program, bud. The lowering of expectations and program tradition. The old they did the best they can, things will get better, yada yada. The coach loyalists always object and defend. The program loyalists want to hit the eject button and hire the best available. Those that don't really care or don't know just blow with the wind.

In Hart's case, why should he change if the unspoken mission is to reduce the value and influence of the LV product within the overall AD? He can use the Title IX as an excuse to keep her. If the mission is excellence and to be the best as it was with Pat in her prime - there is no other choice but to make the change with the selection being a woman due to the aforementioned lawsuit. The message would be clear that leading a team in a downward trajectory will not be accepted.

 

[armchair]

Originally Posted by armchair View Post
This year was not at all "magically paved" to the Final Four. You like to hear yourself talk a little too much, which I think is why you say a lot of inaccurate and dumb things--such as your absurd comments about why teams use a zone defense. This year's route to the final four was in fact quite difficult--having to beat a solid Green Bay team, then a good ASU team on their home floor, followed by a good OSU team, followed by another good team in Syracuse. That was a tough road.

The year we completely choked against Louisville--that was the year when we had a relatively easy path to the Final Four: we played our first two games at home, and then Baylor got beat and so we avoided facing them. This year was harder--but we had a better team. We should have stuck with our zone the entire game, and I'm not even sure that would have made the difference. Syracuse was unconscious in the first half. Losing Reynolds hurt us as Cooper had a bad game; and Carter wasn't good either. On offense our ball-movement was slow--again--and Russell was never a factor. We faced zone defenses all year--and yet never learned the proper way to attack them.

All of guards need to shoot thousands of three-point shots between now and the first day of practice next year, because we will be small next year and will need to be a much better outside/three-point shooting team. I was very encouraged by DD's play in the tournament: It seemed like, with the stakes quite high, she finally decided to drop her attitude and just play, and she was very good, though she didn't shoot well against OSU. But she was focused and just a completely different (and much better) player in the last half-dozen games. That's what we need from her. It is annoying to lose again in the elite eight--that's three times in recent years.


...that zone defense is for wimps. He's in the Hall of Fame, has won national titles--and is in the Final Four this year. UT won the ASU and OSU games thanks in large part to its zone. You play to your strengths, always, and if you don't know that I can understand why your coaching ambitions have been thwarted.

RE the path to the final four: the seedings aren't always representative: I was never all that impressed with South Carolina this year; we couldn't have beaten them during the regular season had we played even a halfway decent game. Washington, a 7 seed, is in fact a very good team. Playing your first two games at home is the easiest way to get started toward the final four--not playing away.

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Magically paved... Our bracket No #1, no #2, #3 in our way from the 16 to the E-8.... Sounds like a yellow brick road to me... Yet whipped profusely by an unranked Syracuse team....

Yes, Zone is for wimps.


And if it is a preference of my wisdom over your cheerleading...I would much prefer hearing the truth over fiction.

..that zone defense is for wimps. He's in the Hall of Fame, has won national titles--and is in the Final Four this year. UT won the ASU and OSU games thanks in large part to its zone. You play to your strengths, always, and if you don't know that I can understand why your coaching ambitions have been thwarted.

RE the path to the final four: the seedings aren't always representative: I was never all that impressed with South Carolina this year; we couldn't have beaten them during the regular season had we played even a halfway decent game. Washington, a 7 seed, is in fact a very good team. Playing your first two games at home is the easiest way to get started toward the final four--not playing away.

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's the same thing we saw in the football program, bud. The lowering of expectations and program tradition. The old they did the best they can, things will get better, yada yada. The coach loyalists always object and defend. The program loyalists want to hit the eject button and hire the best available. Those that don't really care or don't know just blow with the wind.

In Hart's case, why should he change if the unspoken mission is to reduce the value and influence of the LV product within the overall AD? He can use the Title IX as an excuse to keep her. If the mission is excellence and to be the best as it was with Pat in her prime - there is no other choice but to make the change with the selection being a woman due to the aforementioned lawsuit. The message would be clear that leading a team in a downward trajectory will not be accepted.

As usual, you and I agree. The only thing that gives me pause when it comes to Hart, does he really want to be known as the AD in charge when the Lady Vols fell from their pedestal as one of the greatest programs of all time?

 

[RollerVol]

Good Grief. Reynolds was out. Carter and Graves had broken fingers and Syracuse's threes were going down. Looked like we tried a bunch of defenses to try to slow them down. When you get that deep into the tourney you're playing hot teams and they had a good day.

The truth is, this is the best thing that could have happened for the returning players. I hope it hurts until next year about this time and it motivates them.

They played hard in the tourney, I'm proud of them and the coaches.

No actual coach would be inclined to spew vitriol about another coach. Surprised with the attention the OP draws...squeaky wheel and all I guess.

Vol66...stop making sense......:thumbsup:

GO LADY VOLS!

 

[vol66]

Here's how it works. Dave Hart calls a search firm. He talks to agents. The agents pitch their clients and send over bios. The search firm fully vets candidates and prepares a short list with a file for each candidate. The candidates are scored. Hart reviews the files, has discussions with the search firm and the agents and prepares his own short list, based on the info presented. He sets up interviews, talks to candidates, gauges their fit, evaluates their qualifications and requirements and ranks his choices. Nowhere in this process do anonymous fans on message boards provide names, records and tournament results. There are professionals who are incredibly well-compensated to match positions with personnel, and universities utilize their services with great success.

Anyone who thinks UT wouldn't be able to hire a competent WBB coach has a very low opinion of UT. I have a much higher opinion of UT and think UTAD would be presented with a quality list of desirable candidates from which to choose.

Dave Hart had never used a search firm in his career until he fired Tyndall. The reason he did use a search firm was to make it look like he'd learned a lesson from his "mistake" in hiring Tyndall who obviously had been in trouble before.

Some would argue that Hart was forced into using a search firm by his bosses due to the previous search who landed us a dead man walking before he'd even coached a game.

Either way...

The firm’s “search” appeared to yield Rick Barnes, the former Texas coach, and indeed, one day after the contract was signed, the Volunteers hired Barnes. “Money well spent,” said Tennessee AD Dave Hart, adding he had never previously used a firm.

The hire was seen as a coup for the Volunteers and Hart, particularly after Tyndall was let go amid rumors of impending NCAA sanctions. But did Barnes, one of college basketball’s most well-known figures, really need to be brought forth by a search firm? Hart even acknowledged he has known Barnes for years and handled all negotiations. What, then, was worth $50,000?

That said color me convinced, let's roll the dice it can't be any worse right?

Like Kiffin right? Let some hotshot coach with his/her own system come in, show highlight videos throughout the complex, not of former Vols mind you, but from his/her previous stops...Maybe he/she brings in a top recruiting class of kids only for him to leave a year later and that #1 recruiting class is one of the greatest flops in NCAA history.

That could never happen twice right?

Then there's Dooley.

The Men's Basketball team has had 3 coaches since Pearl, football team has had 3 coaches since Fulmer and all we have to show for it a sweet 16 and a couple of bowl games...We really haven't gotten a whiff of the post season and I guess you think that couldn't happen to WBB because of what exactly?

 

[alexvol]

No way we lose this games with Reynolds in....Carter's two fingers not tapped together....Bash two fingers not tapped together and a healthy Jasmine Jones! It seems like it's a freak injury EVERY year that prevents us from earning a FF birth! Holly had to play a freshman PG in her first EE game and a guard whose supposed to handle the ball with two fingers tapped together...we played as well as I thought we could against the pressure of Syracuse.

What meds are you on ....or what have you been smoking ....you are delusional and refuse to face the facts .

 

[alexvol]

If you have watched any games this year and think that woman can coach, then you are living in a fairy tale. The easiest way to the final four that we have had in years, and the opposing coach made ours look, well you saw the same game that I did. Not only will she NEVER be able to recruit, you have seen that already, but she can't even coach the x's and o's. It has taken fans a long time to see it, but I saw it from the beginning. There is too much hugging and patting, never working the officials, (watch Baylor and Mulkey tonight), and not being tough at all. It will continue to get worse as long as she continues to masquerade as a coach.

Amen !

 

[cwbytruckers]

Yesterday we had no idea how to defend the guards. The post. Or for that matter the announcers. I think they evem rained down some 3s on us. When the smallest player on the other twam drives through traffic multiple times for layups we have major issues. When our coach is shown on tv multiple times looking at the scoreboard each time. We have issues. Hiw many times does she just look off in the stands like she is searching for Pat lookingnfor answers. Even in the HBO special you never heard much from Holly. She isnt vocal. So how did Pat think she could lead this team. No one respects her. You can see it in how the girls perform. Its embarrassing that these girls play with their own agenda. It starts with defense. And no one played much defense yesterday. Second comes ball security. Late in the 4th. Hell even 5 minutes remaining it looked like elementary girls trying to play reck ball against college girls. We cant score if we turn over the ball that many times. And Holly done nothing to slow them down. Or got in their grill about protecting the ball. I wish i was qualified to coach and this summer was mine to coach these girls. I would go all Bobby Knight on them until they either respected me or feared me. But they sure as hell wouldnt run over me. These girls need a leader at the top. Then a leader on the court. Then we can get back to a final four.