Zeigler's 3pt shooting

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VOLLeeann said:
Senioritis is a malady that is usually associated with the pressure of the last amateur year.
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I wasn't aware of using the word in that context (only in terms of "checking out and/or being distracted by other things)). Still seems unlikely that he felt more pressure than other points of his first 4 seasons at UT when he carried all the pressure of being the guy every team tried to take out of the game or when he started his career at UT as a true freshman being thrown into the fire of SEC competition and absolutely showing out I might add.

Maybe you're right though and seeing DK everyday made him somehow doubt himself and/or start pressing...I have no clue but all I know is he should have had the least amount of pressure of his entire career but something obviously affected him.
 
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Golfprovol said:
If you have to say "want to preface this" or :with that said" or "with all due respect" then you probably should think of a different way to express the thought.

Maybe something like "I wonder what is wrong with ZZ shot? His 3 % is down 9 points and his shots per game are up. I would love to see him make more or shoot a little less until his shot comes back"
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Did you invent AI? 🧐🤣
 
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Point Guard responsibility:
1. Effectively bring the ball down court to be able to set up the offense.
2. Court vision and ability to communicate offense
3. Ball Handling/passing ability to run offense
4. Dribble penetration ability in order to collapse defense and be a scoring threat
5. Ability to score from outside

Those are pretty much in order, and ZZ crushes the 1st 4 and is basically average at 5. He’s a well above average college point guard. His height is his biggest challenge of moving on. Probably plays professionally, but NBA would be a stretch.

Add in things you can’t quantify like heart….he’s a great player.
 
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scottchatt said:
Point Guard responsibility:
1. Effectively bring the ball down court to be able to set up the offense.
2. Court vision and ability to communicate offense
3. Ball Handling/passing ability to run offense
4. Dribble penetration ability in order to collapse defense and be a scoring threat
5. Ability to score from outside

Those are pretty much in order, and ZZ crushes the 1st 4 and is basically average at 5. He’s a well above average college point guard. His height is his biggest challenge of moving on. Probably plays professionally, but NBA would be a stretch.

Add in things you can’t quantify like heart….he’s a great player.
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When he wasn't so engaged in running our team, his percentage was much better. He's a F'ing warrior.
 
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Lefteye said:
I’d like to know SVs thoughts on his shooting his last year. Was it playing a different role, not getting enough shots in off season etc.? Very curious his thoughts.
Like Billy Madison, I really contributed nothing to your discussion. But unlike him, hopefully you and everyone in this room isn’t dumber for listening to it. 😂
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I don’t FEEL any dumber, but I might not have had much room to go…
 
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The thing about Ziggy is that regardless of his shooting numbers, the team is clearly different when he isn’t out there. He’s kind of a coach on the court. He won’t be this cold the entire season. He has a solid game against MTSU.
 
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volsarelife1 said:
Want to preface this as I'm in no way trying to drag ZZ or be overly critical. As he is our most important player and the glue for the team for everything that he does and brings to the floor.

With that said, Zeigler's shooting is becoming a bit of a concern at this point.

11 games into the season and he's shooting 29.7% on 3s. But over the last 7 games he is 9/43 on 3s for 20.9%... I know we're not looking for or need him to he a 20 ppg scorer, but still would like to either see those 3pt attempts decrease or the % go up.
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We're now 21 games into the season. And Zeigler's shooting has gotten even worse than the first 11 games.

The last 10 games ZZ is now 16/61 on 3s for 26%. He's too good of an overall player to be jacking up over 6 3s per game at a 26% clip. Need him to just be more of a playmaker and not shooting so many 3s
 
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volsarelife1 said:
We're now 21 games into the season. And Zeigler's shooting has gotten even worse than the first 11 games.

The last 10 games ZZ is now 16/61 on 3s for 26%. He's too good of an overall player to be jacking up over 6 3s per game at a 26% clip. Need him to just be more of a playmaker and not shooting so many 3s
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Fundamentally I agree, but in his defense we struggle as a team to get good shots. Many of these possessions he gets the only decent look. We simply don’t have enough shot makers therefore more shots are falling onto ZZZ.
 
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Playing 7 guys is not gonna work in this years SEC. No gimme games that you can get away with not bringing it. Need to spread the minutes with all four bench players. The grind of the SEC is already taking its toll already.
 
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walkenvol said:
Fundamentally I agree, but in his defense we struggle as a team to get good shots. Many of these possessions he gets the only decent look. We simply don’t have enough shot makers therefore more shots are falling onto ZZZ.
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This. And too many of our guys pass up good/open looks earlier in the shot clock. We have to stop this pattern of getting the clock under 5 with ZZ 25' from the basket. The total absence of any offensive production in the paint is killing us. That doesn't account for all of ZZ's looks and misses from 3, but it does explain a lot of them.
 
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He has to stop. He is jacking them up at insane rates and is under 28% now. He was the difference between us having a horrific shooting performance and just a below average one in the Kentucky game. I’d let a Chris Lofton or a Dalton Knecht or a Kevin Punter or even Lanier go 1-11 from 3, but there is no excuse for Zakai Ziegler doing that. He should not have a green light. Even given as much as he has done for this program, one thing he has never done is shoot it well enough to have the green light no matter what.
 
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ColinS said:
Playing 7 guys is not gonna work in this years SEC. No gimme games that you can get away with not bringing it. Need to spread the minutes with all four bench players. The grind of the SEC is already taking its toll already.
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Boswell is not ready for much playing time in my opinion , hopefully he adjusts and can help down the stretch. I agree with you about the grind of SEC , brutal
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
Correct
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His shots weren't far off. He doesn't have a bad looking shot. He shot 40% at Hofstra.
Was almost 30% before tonight. I honestly think he could be a 35% shooter if he had consistent minutes to be able to get some rhythm and confidence. That's mostly opinion so yes it is a moot point, but with his body I think he has a better chance of getting to the rack. Did it a couple times tonight. You can see the flashes, but he just can't get any flow going because he is always in and out.
We don't want him taking but probably 4-5 or so and rest of time try to work some plays to get him either cutting to basket or maybe even a little ISO if we can get it to him closer to the basket.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
He has to stop. He is jacking them up at insane rates and is under 28% now. He was the difference between us having a horrific shooting performance and just a below average one in the Kentucky game. I’d let a Chris Lofton or a Dalton Knecht or a Kevin Punter or even Lanier go 1-11 from 3, but there is no excuse for Zakai Ziegler doing that. He should not have a green light. Even given as much as he has done for this program, one thing he has never done is shoot it well enough to have the green light no matter what.
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When he is wide open, like tonight most of the time, he needs to continue to shoot them. That's the only way they start to fall down from time to time. He has a good stroke. It's the only way he will gain any confidence shooting them. We will need it later.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
He has to stop. He is jacking them up at insane rates and is under 28% now. He was the difference between us having a horrific shooting performance and just a below average one in the Kentucky game. I’d let a Chris Lofton or a Dalton Knecht or a Kevin Punter or even Lanier go 1-11 from 3, but there is no excuse for Zakai Ziegler doing that. He should not have a green light. Even given as much as he has done for this program, one thing he has never done is shoot it well enough to have the green light no matter what.
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In a vacuum, you're right. But in the framework of our current offense, he's the one getting the looks. If he doesn't shoot it, who does? It's not an excuse, but you only get 30 seconds to shoot the ball. How many times does we run it under 5 and he ends up with the ball 25' from the basket? The offense is broken and personnel is limited. It is what it is at this point. You just have to hope those looks start falling because the alternative is a bunch of shot clock violation if no one else is going to take the looks they're given.
 
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We are going to have to find a way to get 70 points / night.

No clue where or how that is going to happen.
 
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