1993 Tennessee Team

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bamawriter said:
The entire streak from '86 to '94 was crazy. The current streak and UT's 7 year run that started in '95 were both one team being way better than the other with a competitive game or two sprinkled in. But that 9 year stretch from the mid-80s to the mid-90s featured some completely crazy endings that all bounced Bama's way, particularly from '90 to '94. Those were some really great Tennessee teams that were simply snakebit against Alabama.
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Tennessee should have won the '93 Alabama game. James "Little Man" Stewart was a great back but he fumbled inside the Bama 5 yard line two years in a row vs Bama ('93 and '94). That was a killer in both games.

...and Tennessee was not very good defending the run in '93. It just so happened that we only played a few teams that could expose that. Florida and Penn State definitely did though... as did David Palmer.
 
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madbamahater said:
Fulmer owes Majors entirely for his career. Period
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No, he doesn't. Fulmer was on the verge of getting a head coaching job in '92 whether it was Tennessee or somewhere else and Fulmer's 2 SEC Championship teams and his National Championship team ('97&'98) did not include any players who were signed while Majors was the head coach.

It is just my opinion but I do not believe that Tennessee would have ever won the National Championship with Majors as the head coach. The teams he had in '89 and '90 were talented enough but didn't get it done. The '90 team had no business losing at home to Alabama.
 
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1chattyvols1 said:
I was so ready for that team to break out! Fulmers first official year. Stacked on both sides of the ball. Special teams. You name it, that team should have had a Natty!

Beginning of Spurriors dominance IMO.
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Should have had a "natty"? Why? Coming off 3 straight 9 win seasons (only because Fulmer went 4-0 in 1992 while Johnny recovered), nobody was predicting Tennessee to be anywhere near a national title in 1993, especially coming off of the tumultuous 1992 season with Majors' ousting. You're dramatically overstating the state of the program when Fulmer took over. It was good, it was solid, but it was not team ready to vie for a national title. Fulmer had work to do to get there....which he did in fairly short order.
 
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madbamahater said:
Fulmer owes Majors entirely for his career. Period
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Insane. He owes him for the opportunities Majors gave him to coach at Tennessee. It was smart and in his self-interests for Majors to hire and promote Phil and good on Johnny for that. But Phil made the most of his opportunity and then far exceeded anything Johnny ever did/accomplished as Tennessee's head coach.
 
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CTM said:
They changed the rule about paint in the end zone.
Checkerboard cannot touch the end lines or goal line.
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Actually the checkerboard did not extend to the outlines. It was outlined in orange which is not against the rules today. You can have any color in the end zone. But you have to have a color other than white bordering the goal line and boundary lines. Many schools have solid colors in the end zone and it is perfectly legal. A checkerboard outlined in orange should be just as legal.
 
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Backwards K said:
Fulmer does owe Majors for giving him the chance to show that he was a Hall of Fame coach. He would have been a success wherever he had been. It was easier at Tennessee because he had helped Majors build the program back up. Fulmer, when given the chance, took it to the next level that Majors had been unable to reach.

Both are Tennessee legends and I appreciate them both. Was really just gigging you Fulmer haters who don't want to acknowledge the great heights he took the program to.

There is no doubt, the program would have been much much better off over the past 10 years, if Fulmer had not been fired.
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Fulmer being great any where else is an opinion.

Majors building the program up is a fact.

Fulmer reaping the benefits of that build up, also fact.:good!:
 
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KBVol said:
Should have had a "natty"? Why? Coming off 3 straight 9 win seasons (only because Fulmer went 4-0 in 1992 while Johnny recovered), nobody was predicting Tennessee to be anywhere near a national title in 1993, especially coming off of the tumultuous 1992 season with Majors' ousting. You're dramatically overstating the state of the program when Fulmer took over. It was good, it was solid, but it was not team ready to vie for a national title. Fulmer had work to do to get there....which he did in fairly short order.
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Was anybody predicting the '98 team to win the NC?
 
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You can say what you want about Majors but Fulmer never built a program and that was his Achilles heel in taking another job. Programs that need coaches need coaches who can build a program and that was not in Fulmer's resume. Fulmer's program peaked 98-2000 and he could not build it back up.

Fulmer may have coached a NC but he also put this program on a 10 year skid. I think Mike Hamilton was a disaster but if Fulmer had done his job Hamilton would have never been a factor.
 
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onevol74 said:
You can say what you want about Majors but Fulmer never built a program and that was his Achilles heel in taking another job. Programs that need coaches need coaches who can build a program and that was not in Fulmer's resume. Fulmer's program peaked 98-2000 and he could not build it back up.

Fulmer may have coached a NC but he also put this program on a 10 year skid. I think Mike Hamilton was a disaster but if Fulmer had done his job Hamilton would have never been a factor.
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This is ridiculous on several counts. Fulmer could have had another job if he had been willing to take something 3rd tier (like Minnesota) but he wasn't. He wasn't offered an elite job because he wasn't the young, sexy hire that most AD's prefer. This was due to his age and his lack of charisma and the perception that his best days were behind him. His peak was from '95-'01 and those are the glory days of Tennessee football. We may never see that again. It is not his fault that Kiffin and Dooley were hired which is what put Tennessee on such a prolonged skid.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is ridiculous on several counts. Fulmer could have had another job if he had been willing to take something 3rd tier (like Minnesota) but he wasn't. He wasn't offered an elite job because he wasn't the young, sexy hire that most AD's prefer. This was due to his age and his lack of charisma and the perception that his best days were behind him. His peak was from '95-'01 and those are the glory days of Tennessee football. We may never see that again. It is not his fault that Kiffin and Dooley were hired which is what put Tennessee on such a prolonged skid.
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So, what is your rebuttle?
 
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1chattyvols1 said:
Was anybody predicting the '98 team to win the NC?
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Don't know. But coming off 3 previous seasons of 11-1, 10-2 and 11-2, including having won the SEC championship in '97, it was much more likely and would've made more sense.....the program was much better, more talented and much more nationally relevant at that point.
 
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Backwards K said:
Fulmer does owe Majors for giving him the chance to show that he was a Hall of Fame coach. He would have been a success wherever he had been. It was easier at Tennessee because he had helped Majors build the program back up. Fulmer, when given the chance, took it to the next level that Majors had been unable to reach.

Both are Tennessee legends and I appreciate them both. Was really just gigging you Fulmer haters who don't want to acknowledge the great heights he took the program to.

There is no doubt, the program would have been much much better off over the past 10 years, if Fulmer had not been fired.
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Well, and accurately, stated.
 
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1chattyvols1 said:
Fulmer being great any where else is an opinion.

Majors building the program up is a fact.

Fulmer reaping the benefits of that build up, also fact.:good!:
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It took forever for Majors to "build the program up". Took til year 5 before he even got over .500 (was 21-23 after season 4). Good on him that he finally got the program some "winning consistency" his last 3 seasons, years 13-15 of his tenure.....prior to that it was an incredibly slow "turnaround" (I chronicled that in the first sentence) and pretty much one good year followed by one mediocre to bad year until 1989. Let's not act like he came in, immediately turned it around and just built a national power juggernaut. Most of his time as head coach at Tennessee was pretty mediocre. And don't forget his last season.....while Phil coached the first 3 and last games of the year and went 4-0, Johnny went 5-3 in the other 8. The program was in no way poised to win a national title when Fulmer took over in 1993.
 
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And, after 2001, which direction did the program go? Where was it in '05 and in '08? It was in the dumpster-with a fire bellowing out of it. But, hold on, in '04, we were in the SECCG and again in '07. After all the discussions you and I have had over the years, I have to be fair.
 
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KBVol said:
Don't know. But coming off 3 previous seasons of 11-1, 10-2 and 11-2, including having won the SEC championship in '97, it was much more likely and would've made more sense.....the program was much better, more talented and much more nationally relevant at that point.
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Really, everyone and I mean everyone thought with Peyton gone there was noooo chance!
 
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KBVol said:
Don't know. But coming off 3 previous seasons of 11-1, 10-2 and 11-2, including having won the SEC championship in '97, it was much more likely and would've made more sense.....the program was much better, more talented and much more nationally relevant at that point.
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I agree with the part I put in bold but... Tennessee was ranked #10 in the preseason AP poll in both 1993 and 1998. There is no question that we returned so much more talent on defense in '98, though. Shaun Ellis, Corey Terry, Al Wilson, Raynoch Thompson, Deon Grant, Dwayne Goodrich...etc.
 
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Nobody will give or gave more to UT football program than Fulmer. Player, coach, assistant to Majors, grew up in the same neck of the woods as Majors, hated and consistently beat Bama. And now he is in administration. I hope his presence brings us another national championship. GBO. VFL.
 
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1chattyvols1 said:
Fulmer being great any where else is an opinion.

Majors building the program up is a fact.

Fulmer reaping the benefits of that build up, also fact.:good!:
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Again, you only have a biased opinion. There were no players left from the Johnny years when Phil took the Vols to the National Championship. The facts are Fulmer is a first ballot HOF coach and Majors is not even eligible.

Another fact is, in 1992, Fulmer did all of the heavy lifting and if Johnny had stayed at home like the Dr said, Phil would have won Johnny another SEC title. But, Johnny's ego got in the way and he came back and destroyed that season.

Even in what you call the terrible years, Fulmer was going to the SEC Championship Game every 3 years. He was fired the year after being in the SECCG. Would have been back at least 3 times since then if he had stayed.
 
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Backwards K said:
Again, you only have a biased opinion. There were no players left from the Johnny years when Phil took the Vols to the National Championship. The facts are Fulmer is a first ballot HOF coach and Majors is not even eligible.

Another fact is, in 1992, Fulmer did all of the heavy lifting and if Johnny had stayed at home like the Dr said, Phil would have won Johnny another SEC title. But, Johnny's ego got in the way and he came back and destroyed that season.

Even in what you call the terrible years, Fulmer was going to the SEC Championship Game every 3 years. He was fired the year after being in the SECCG. Would have been back at least 3 times since then if he had stayed.
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He backdoored that last one, maaan.
 
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KBVol said:
It took forever for Majors to "build the program up". Took til year 5 before he even got over .500 (was 21-23 after season 4). Good on him that he finally got the program some "winning consistency" his last 3 seasons, years 13-15 of his tenure.....prior to that it was an incredibly slow "turnaround" (I chronicled that in the first sentence) and pretty much one good year followed by one mediocre to bad year until 1989. Let's not act like he came in, immediately turned it around and just built a national power juggernaut. Most of his time as head coach at Tennessee was pretty mediocre. And don't forget his last season.....while Phil coached the first 3 and last games of the year and went 4-0, Johnny went 5-3 in the other 8. The program was in no way poised to win a national title when Fulmer took over in 1993.
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It took 10 seasons before Majors finished in the top 25. That s___t wouldnt fly today, "rebuilding" or not. Hell, Butch has finished twice in the top 25 and is on the hot seat. SMH.
 
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